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mtj

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 10:51 Post subject: At work 'just in case'	Quick Quote Quote

Gnnh.... We have a big customer err... expo on Monday - Tuesday, so I have to be at work, just in case someone finds bugs in my framework :I (Great idea to develop NEW stuff for customers 2 days before the day it's supposed to be shown ) Fyi: No free time given for working on weekend, OR any kind of pay. not even normal salary. Forced upper management contract rocks (I'm NOT any kind of management, just the contract states so, so they can force overtime without pay)

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StrEagle

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 12:28 Post subject:

pretty sure that's illegal

we get 1 day off or 150% pay for the day if weekend, or 200% for holiday

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mtj

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 12:44 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

pretty sure that's illegal

we get 1 day off or 150% pay for the day if weekend, or 200% for holiday

It's on the gray area Razz

There are contracts which are 'all-in', but normally they're only given to really highly paid people.

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Stige

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 12:44 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Free tip: No pay, no go. Simple as that, they can't force you to do stuff for free under any circumstances.

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mtj

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 12:44 Post subject:

Stige wrote:

Free tip: No pay, no go.

Simple as that, they can't force you to do stuff for free under any circumstances.

Jup, and get fired Smile

I get paid a monthly salary, not hourly.

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Stige

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 12:54 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

What a ... dumb system if you ask me :l

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mtj

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 12:56 Post subject:

Stige wrote:

What a ... dumb system if you ask me :l

Jup

Also bad benefits in general.

But the I enjoy the work Razz

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StrEagle

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 13:04 Post subject:

your monthly salary is for a specified worked days each month
if you work more days than there are working days in the month - you are eligible for 1 more pay day for that month

etc you get 1000eur for 1 month that has 20 working days, that means you get paid 50eur a day.
if you work 1 less day, say you got 1 day of unpaid vacation - you get 950eur for that month
if you work for 1 more day, say you work a saturday - you get 1075eur for that month (150% for day of weekend)

it's not a gray area

he can't fire you for not wanting to work for free
if he does
1. he doesn't deserve you
2. get a copy of the email requiring you to work on that day for no pay, the financial authorities will be pretty interested in that, so will the court

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Werelds
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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 14:22 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I know dat pain of having to sit there "just in case". But StrEagle has a point mate You should review your contract. It'll have some kind of indication in there as to what the money is for; can be for 40 hours per work week, can be stated per day or can just be for X days per month. No matter which it is, you're at least eligible for some form of compensation. Either the hours you put in today count towards your contractual hours, giving you an extra day off or it counts as overtime, in which case it has to be compensated in some way. Weekends being 150% or always counted as overtime depends on the contract, country laws and any sector "standards" (usually negotiated by unions). That's not necessarily the case everywhere. Join in on the war on LeoSatan

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mtj

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 15:27 Post subject:

Werelds wrote:

I know dat pain of having to sit there "just in case".

But StrEagle has a point mate Smile

You should review your contract. It'll have some kind of indication in there as to what the money is for; can be for 40 hours per work week, can be stated per day or can just be for X days per month. No matter which it is, you're at least eligible for some form of compensation. Either the hours you put in today count towards your contractual hours, giving you an extra day off or it counts as overtime, in which case it has to be compensated in some way.

Weekends being 150% or always counted as overtime depends on the contract, country laws and any sector "standards" (usually negotiated by unions). That's not necessarily the case everywhere.

The contract states that all overtime is covered by the monthly salary Razz

(there are still national laws, such as no more than 50h / week over some duration)

Well, the day wasn't that boring in the end. Designed some new features to for the next version of the framework Razz

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StrEagle

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 15:29 Post subject:

omg you work on overtime, alone in the office Laughing

I just browse the hump or watch movies, if nothing emergency comes up ofc

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mtj

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 15:31 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

omg you work on overtime, alone in the office Laughing

I just browse the hump or watch movies, if nothing emergency comes up ofc

I feel bad if I at least don't pretend to do some work Sad

Sure I browse news and hump, but I try to mostly work Razz

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Mister_s

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Posted: Sat, 25th Apr 2015 18:00 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I don't understand the contract. So they can make you do overtime, while you get the same salary? Is this normal over there?