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| jmdeking wrote: | | nukeitup wrote: | | wow these dumb fucks should be glad that their shit box was hacked other wise I and many others would have never bought it. I never bought ps3 only because its not cracked. the video game companies are the once who are loosing not the console developers, if anything the pirates helped to boost Microsoft sales unlike Sony. |
But also the pricedrops helped boosting sales for m$ |
afcourse they would price drop it, their product breaks every half year. lets face it sony has 100% more quality product and I would buy it tomorrow if it was hacked.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 18:29 Post subject: |
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To clear some things up:
1. EFUSES ARE REAL
This is a real technology used on the X360 CPU. eFuses get "blown" during a update to prevent people from downgrading, so if MS should release a dashboard update that includes a security hole they can fix it with a new version and prevent users from downgrading to an exploitable version by "blowing" eFuses on the CPU.
2. The real source of this rumor
An interviiew with a former QA employee who says that the X360-eFuse technology includes a kill-switch.
Is all of this possible? Absolutely!
Has MS really included such a kill-switch? I think yes.
Would MS dare to brick modified consoles and consoles of XBL-cheaters/spammers? Definitely not in the EU, they would have their asses sued to hell if they destroyed your console, but I'm not sure about the USA. I've heard some very scary stuff about the DMCA. Maybe someone with more US-law knowledge can comment on this.
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lhzr
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 18:34 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | 1. eFuses get "blown" during a update to prevent people from downgrading, so if MS should release a dashboard update that includes a security hole they can fix it with a new version and prevent users from downgrading to an exploitable version by "blowing" eFuses on the CPU. |
| wiki wrote: | | If certain sub-systems fail, or are taking too long to respond, or are consuming too much power, the chip can instantly change its behavior by 'blowing' an eFUSE. This process does not physically destroy the eFUSE, so it is reversible and repeatable |
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 18:37 Post subject: |
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perhaps the bright sparks behind the hacking of the boxes will find a way around the efuses rumour if it happens to be true.. like most things it will probably only be a matter of time before that method of protection is circumvented too.. ?
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 18:55 Post subject: |
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| lhzr wrote: |
| wiki wrote: | | If certain sub-systems fail, or are taking too long to respond, or are consuming too much power, the chip can instantly change its behavior by 'blowing' an eFUSE. This process does not physically destroy the eFUSE, so it is reversible and repeatable |
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Of course it's possible to circumvent everything. But remember that the X360 has been fully hacked some time ago by some über-modders and booted Linux (about two years ago if I remember correctly) but there still is no widely available easy mathod to perform this hack.
If MS really decided to make consoles unbootable by eFuses (I doubt they will dare but they undoubtably can) it could take months before a repair method is found, it could even surpass the know-how and budget of modders who do console hacking only as a hobby in their spare time.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 19:31 Post subject: |
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Well, this is so easy to deal with. Buy another X360 for $200 and leave your modded X360 offline forever. I will keep my X360 off Live for a month to see what comes of this.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 19:35 Post subject: |
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They can also include the update on discs, so it doesnt mather if you keep him offline
| thenormal02 wrote: |
what do you mean? the console version also works on pc ? |
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Ashmolly
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 19:40 Post subject: |
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Well, we will have to wait and see, if this is official, there will be a lot of hell to pay.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 19:58 Post subject: |
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| kabarka wrote: | | They can also include the update on discs, so it doesnt mather if you keep him offline |
Oh, crap, you are right. Well, you could keep your modded X360 for all the games you have now and not play any of the new games. I have many, many games that I would hate to lose the ability to play. Buy a new $200 X360 and only buy the games you truly want to play. I truly hope this is just a rumor and nothing more.
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 21:43 Post subject: |
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| MistressDeath wrote: | | kabarka wrote: | | They can also include the update on discs, so it doesnt mather if you keep him offline |
Oh, crap, you are right. Well, you could keep your modded X360 for all the games you have now and not play any of the new games. I have many, many games that I would hate to lose the ability to play. Buy a new $200 X360 and only buy the games you truly want to play. I truly hope this is just a rumor and nothing more.
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But then we could just PPF patch the update off the disk.
This is just some BS story made to scare people. It's related to some dude not properly understanding WAVE3.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2009 22:20 Post subject: |
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[quote="Horrordee"] | MistressDeath wrote: |
But then we could just PPF patch the update off the disk.
This is just some BS story made to scare people. It's related to some dude not properly understanding WAVE3.
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Games can check which version of update is installed and refuse to start if it's older than the required minimum. That's really simple
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grimmmy
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd May 2009 02:43 Post subject: |
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This isn't even new news. over at xbox-scene there's been a thread there for nearly 2 weeks.
The efuses are real and aren't a new technology. They aren't even an MS invention and they feature on quite a few of IBM's chips as a fail safe.
I'm calling bullshit on MS ever using it. They have no need to right now as piracey is reletively low for the console. And linking back to the TC, of course MS know about IX 1.whatever. They haves the google too you know. Piracey is always cat and mouse. MS fix it, someone hacks it, MS fixes that, someone hacks that
Someone on another forum posted this and I'm in agreement (note, its a bit of a shit analogy)...
| Quote: | How I think all this bogus got started is this...
Can those fuses be used to fry a Chip? Absolutely.
Will an Xbox run without a chip? NO
So can those fuses be used to kill an Xbox? Absolutely.
Is that their purpose? No.
Analogy would be:
Can a power surge fry your computer? Absolutely.
Will your computer run if its fried? No
So can a power surge be used to kill your computer? Absolutely.
Can your electric company if they wanted to up the voltage in your outlet 20 times of normal? Absolutely.
Will they ever do that? No. |
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd May 2009 03:30 Post subject: |
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If I had a nickel for every time a "reliable source" says something...
Luckily I don't use Live so if it does happen, I'll see it coming a mile away rather than a foot away.
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