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 Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 15:11 Post subject: Need to make a c.v |
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I'm applying for a job and it has asked me to send off my c.v.
Does anyone know of a good free c.v site please?
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TheSaint
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 16:49 Post subject: |
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google, use google young padawan.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 16:51 Post subject: |
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hehe. nothing is better than a custom CV you made yourself. Stand out!
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spankie
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 18:30 Post subject: |
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all depends what kind of job you are applying for and what you want your image to be.
You know 75% of the cv is not about the content but about the layout, colors, etc...
Btw focus on yourself and not on your skills, because there are 1000 people with the same skills. So put your diplomas in it, but also your personality, your ambitions, your hobbies very shortly and your 'non-school skills'. Also include any competition or sport references. Ambitious sporters are always welcome in companies.
Also include any function you had with a responsability: leader in a youth group or a important position in a non-industry organisation. Dont exagerate though, noone gives a fuck you were the strip club president when you were 7yr, but being in charge of the money for a 100person student club is something else.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 18:35 Post subject: |
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MS Office have down loadable templates.
LINK
Used one myself...after some tweaking.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 18:37 Post subject: |
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| spankie wrote: | | You know 75% of the cv is not about the content but about the layout, colors, etc... |
O.o
| spankie wrote: | | Btw focus on yourself and not on your skills, because there are 1000 people with the same skills. |
maybe if the job you're applying for is at burger king.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 19:40 Post subject: |
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| Photish wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | spankie wrote: | | You know 75% of the cv is not about the content but about the layout, colors, etc... |
O.o
| spankie wrote: | | Btw focus on yourself and not on your skills, because there are 1000 people with the same skills. |
maybe if the job you're applying for is at burger king. |
Actually he is right. Maybe you got the skills and education, but are you a nice relying person? Do you have humor? Nobody wanna hire a stupid-self proclaimed king of the world arrogant fucker, who dont give a rats ass about his co-workeres; When there is like 100+ other people with the same skills to choice from.
And about the 75%, I agree. It might not be THAT high, but creativity shows ALOT about a person! And it is also always good to have a CV that catches the eye  |
Determining personality-fit is what the interview is for. Who gives a fuck if the person is nice if they can't do their job?
also, most "real" jobs have online submission of resumes, sometimes just in plain text format. so much for all your fancy bullshit.
but hey, keep it up. less competition for the people with actual skills.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 20:04 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | Determining personality-fit is what the interview is for. Who gives a fuck if the person is nice if they can't do their job?
also, most "real" jobs have online submission of resumes, sometimes just in plain text format. so much for all your fancy bullshit.
but hey, keep it up. less competition for the people with actual skills. |
Hmmm so you cant determine a person roughly trough his written plain text? Hmmm well have fun with calling all those 100+ people in for at personal meting, or 1000+ for mid-size firms. You do this at your office/firm, or is this just the way you think it works in the real world?
Oh and creativity is also more than putting a colorful logo on your CV.
Fact is, you gotta stand out of the crowd to get noticed! If you want your CV to get noticed trough those 1000+(or more) you must make an effort. At least this is how we/I do it here, and it worked so fair. If thats not the way it work in your part of the world and businesses, peace be we that.
The people I hire, have to have MORE than just the required skills and/or education.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 20:06 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | | hehe. nothing is better than a custom CV you made yourself. Stand out! |
This.
I hate nothing more than looking at a CV and it being just a big pile of crap. Unfortunately I look at them all day long as I work in I.T recruitment.
Keep it clear and simple. Name at the top, personal profile underneath, choose a font that is easy to on the eye and stick to around size 10-11. Skills matrix is next, this is the only time you should use a box on a CV. A good skills matrix will pretty much seal the deal, put the skill then how many years experience;
VB.net 3 years
J2EE 4 years
Unix 5 years
Linux 2 years
try to group it into relevant areas.
After that if you are a project manager put an section for key achievements in your career.
The next part is your work history/experience in most recent first. Put the title, date and your role in bold then underneath a short description of what you did in that role, after that you can go into bullet points about specifics. After that it's education and personal interests. Dont put references on your CV because agencies just rip them and call your last boss pretending for a reference about you. This gives them extra leverage for canvassing.
remember to keep it simple, keep it to the point, dont worry about the length of your CV as it doesnt matter.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 20:13 Post subject: |
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| Photish wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | Determining personality-fit is what the interview is for. Who gives a fuck if the person is nice if they can't do their job?
also, most "real" jobs have online submission of resumes, sometimes just in plain text format. so much for all your fancy bullshit.
but hey, keep it up. less competition for the people with actual skills. |
Hmmm so you cant determine a person roughly trough his written plain text? Hmmm well have fun with calling all those 100+ people in for at personal meting, or 1000+ for mid-size firms. You do this at your office/firm, or is this just the way you think it works in the real world?
Oh and creativity is also more than putting a colorful logo on your CV.
Fact is, you gotta stand out of the crowd to get noticed! If you want your CV to get noticed trough those 1000+(or more) you must make an effort. At least this is how we/I do it here, and it worked so fair. If thats not the way it work in your part of the world and businesses, peace be we that.
The people I hire, have to have MORE than just the required skills and/or education. |
I think the problem is you (and me) are trying to pigeon-hole all types of careers into the same box. I guess my own problem is I work in a pretty specialized field where a fluffy cv earns you a one-way trip into the shred bin. I don't even work in that big of an organization (~700 employees), but hiring is done on a team-by-team basis. current employees are also brought into interviews to make sure we actually want the applicant to work with us. But this is in a health informatics/biostatistics type industry.
actually what's been lost in all of this is the cover letter, this should be the part of your cv where you express your personality and why you are the best fit for the job you're applying for. CV should be a well-structured outline of your skills, experience and qualifications and nothing more.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Apr 2009 20:23 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | I think the problem is you (and me) are trying to pigeon-hole all types of careers into the same box. I guess my own problem is I work in a pretty specialized field where a fluffy cv earns you a one-way trip into the shred bin. I don't even work in that big of an organization (~700 employees), but hiring is done on a team-by-team basis. current employees are also brought into interviews to make sure we actually want the applicant to work with us. But this is in a health informatics/biostatistics type industry.
actually what's been lost in all of this is the cover letter, this should be the part of your cv where you express your personality and why you are the best fit for the job you're applying for. CV should be a well-structured outline of your skills, experience and qualifications and nothing more. |
I of course also bring in people for an interview, but my point was that out of those 100+(lets say with the same set of skills, education or experience) or more that are coming in these days for a single position, only a small fraction is ever invited in for a "closer look"/interview.
And about the above, I agree!
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2009 05:08 Post subject: |
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"You know 75% of the cv is not about the content but about the layout, colors, etc... "
I'll have a shake with those fries.
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That's some of the dumbest advice I've heard in a long time. Every time you see big employers talk about what they want to see in a CV the nr 1 thing is always a clear and complete list of experience and education. The personality is a very distant second. That is what the interview is for.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2009 09:51 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | spankie wrote: | | You know 75% of the cv is not about the content but about the layout, colors, etc... |
O.o
| spankie wrote: | | Btw focus on yourself and not on your skills, because there are 1000 people with the same skills. |
maybe if the job you're applying for is at burger king. |
My friend, i have worked at several research companies around the world, so my cv skills cant be that bad, and i flip my burgers myself at home  .
Because the guy asks how to make a cv, my guess is this is for his first job ever, right? So i guess he has nothing 'unique' such as speaking 7 languages an MBA and senior management experience in a marketing company for example. No, my guess is he went to school and studied something other people studied as well.
The recruiter will open a position looking for someone with a certain degree or skill. What happens? Probably 100 people answer and all do qualify. How to stand out? Just put that skill on a white piece of paper? That won't work.
Have you ever worked with a recruiter together? Those guys are amazing. They look at your cv, and they know you are lazy or ambitious. If you are a perfectionist or doing more general stuff. Are you funny or not etc. That is why i am saying a big part is about the layout. Being it 20 or 50 or 75% i dunno, it was just a number i put there... I am not saying you should use a fancy font and a pink sheet of paper, no. But you should not use a white page with font 12 and just put everything on it in a random order.
The recruiter takes a sheet of paper and has a quick look at it. If it is ok, you will go on the 'ok' list. If it is not ok you go into the garbage bin. So you have to think about the order of your items, think about using bolt or not on certain places, you should think about showing certain items or not.
And i work myself in the bioinformatics sector as well, i do agree that the only thing what matters is the right person with the right skills. But then again, it is something that you cannot really learn in school. It is more a specialisation after you graduated in the informatics or biology field and you have to blend in some other skills yourself.
We have like 20 open positions that do not get filled because we find no skilled persons, so we have to patch the holes with lesser qualified people. But when their cv sucks, they don't get an interview. If their cv is full of typos and grammar errors, if their layout is not right, you know you have someone not suited for research. I dont care if they say they know 10 scripting languages and are computer wizards. If you cant even make a decent cv to apply for your 'dream job', i dont think they are worth investing time and money in.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2009 10:06 Post subject: |
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blhablah, "bolt". I loled. Anybody who's anybody uses TeX to write anything.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2009 16:36 Post subject: |
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no, he didn't claim that. what he said so far was consistent, so i don't see what's with the 'i call bullshit' bullshit.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2009 16:45 Post subject: |
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google, ftw I found a good mal
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2009 17:13 Post subject: |
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Ok fair enough, it just seemed like a lot of experience for someone who only recently graduated. I myself have worked in a couple of different research companies, but nothing outside of the UK.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Apr 2009 21:17 Post subject: |
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Each field is different tbh. Depending on the field, different things are needed.
My field for instance people wanna see your certs and such and then the interview is usually describing work you've done elsewhere etc and then they take you out into the shop for a test specific to your position.
I've had guys submit resume's that say they can read blueprints, fit, tig/stick/mig/flux/metal core weld on all metals etc
So I take them into the shop to test them and they can't even fuckin arc the tungsten on the steel to get the tig welder to start.
Or stainless, all they do is blacken the steel cause they don't know how to weld it.
And fuck, I've had ppl argue with me that what I'm showing them isn't a blueprint....they were used to someone drawing a basic schematic and calling it a blueprint.
So like I said, it all depends on the field in which you work. Resume's don't really mean shit in my field. All that counts is certs/ability and references.
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