What a bunch of baloney. When Ben Stein use the old "they cannot see outside the box"-rhetoric he just displays the biggest piece of arrogant ignorance and hypocrisy anyone could ever invent. Here's a guy that is so locked into his little book telling him what to believe and what to think, criticizing people that actually use their minds to explore our universe, both the microscopic one as well as the macroscopic, without the intervention of rigid dogma that is two thousand years old (or 3,200 if he's a jew).
And what the hell: "Darwin cannot explain gravity..", well, DUH!!?? It's like saying "The Pope cannot explain the half life of Cesium 137"...
they confuse the possibility of a creator and the religious deity
we may have been designed by a higher force Yes but that doesn't disprove the fact that religion and scripture is nothing but a bunch of fairy tales and bollocks who can EASILY be proved wrong and laughed at.
For such a complex universe to exist, the creator has to be even more complex. It's a paradox, and if you apply logics, it just isn't possible. But of course, religious zealots don't think in these banes.
For such a complex universe to exist, the creator has to be even more complex. It's a paradox, and if you apply logics, it just isn't possible. But of course, religious zealots don't think in these banes.
I'm just saying even if there was that theory has holes
For such a complex universe to exist, the creator has to be even more complex. It's a paradox, and if you apply logics, it just isn't possible. But of course, religious zealots don't think in these banes.
I'm just saying even if there was that theory has holes
If you claim there are holes then please point them out to us. Besides, this thread was about Ben Stein in a talk show, not about the possibility of a creator. And please don't repeat the "intelligent design" or "creationism" nonsense.
For such a complex universe to exist, the creator has to be even more complex. It's a paradox, and if you apply logics, it just isn't possible. But of course, religious zealots don't think in these banes.
I'm just saying even if there was that theory has holes
If you claim there are holes then please point them out to us. Besides, this thread was about Ben Stein in a talk show, not about the possibility of a creator. And please don't repeat the "intelligent design" or "creationism" nonsense.
ok what Dawkings basically said is that if we were created , it would've been by an alien race that genetically modified us to what we are , and not by a magic fairytale like god who does all kind of illogical stuff and created the whole world with like a map editor tool
simple as that , you dig homie?
I'm just saying even if there was that theory has holes
If you claim there are holes then please point them out to us. Besides, this thread was about Ben Stein in a talk show, not about the possibility of a creator. And please don't repeat the "intelligent design" or "creationism" nonsense.
ok what Dawkings basically said is that if we were created , it would've been by an alien race that genetically modified us to what we are , and not by a magic fairytale like god who does all kind of illogical stuff and created the whole world with like a map editor tool
simple as that , you dig homie?
I still don't see where you "poked a hole"? He just offset the creationist/intelligent design nonsense with a much more plausible yet ludicrous theory just to show how weak the creationists arguments are.
If you claim there are holes then please point them out to us. Besides, this thread was about Ben Stein in a talk show, not about the possibility of a creator. And please don't repeat the "intelligent design" or "creationism" nonsense.
ok what Dawkings basically said is that if we were created , it would've been by an alien race that genetically modified us to what we are , and not by a magic fairytale like god who does all kind of illogical stuff and created the whole world with like a map editor tool
simple as that , you dig homie?
I still don't see where you "poked a hole"? He just offset the creationist/intelligent design nonsense with a much more plausible yet ludicrous theory just to show how weak the creationists arguments are.
Well, I haven't seen the movie 'expelled', nor do I know anything more about these people beyond what was said in this clip. But if this dude is talking 'probability', that there is some probability, be it .00001% that (for instance) there is a God. Then I suppose I have to agree with that. If they mean to say that everything (including all the contradictory shit) that's written in the bible is true, then that's plain silly, some of the stuff might have happened. But, really ... no.
Could there be some entity that "created" life itself, maybe... everything has a slight probability of being true. Even a guy who died 100 years ago, may be brought back to life by some future technology that we cannot even fathom today. So maybe this "God" really is us humans thousands of years in the future manipulating time and creating ourselves. But again, the probability is so tiny that it's pretty safe to say, no.
Even when scientists ten thousand cases out of ten thousand prove that A causes B, they are still open to the chance that case 10,001 might show otherwise. There is always a possibility for anything. Maybe someone will discover a purple bear on the moon. Highly improbable, but there is a 0,00000000000000000001% chance it could happen. Obviously, we're talking really stupid stuff now. So whatever.
But if the argument this dude is presenting is that "there's a probability" that there's a God, then I would have to say 'yes'. I simply do not know 100% that that's not the case. But I simply do not know 100% that there isn't a purple elephant standing next to me as well. It's extremely unlikely, even unlikely to the point where I without any real reservation say: There is no purple elephant there. But I, being a scientist and academic individual do not think in positive absolutes.
I'll still watch this 'documentary', and take it with the same fistful of salt I took Bill Maher's 'religulous' .
I suppose the authors of the semitic scriptures didn't have the benefit of Occam's Razor when they concocted their designs to shape the world in a certain way. In some ways religion is like a philosophical version of quantum mechanics. You cannot get direct evidence of the existence of God since that would invalidate the concept of faith. In science they use statistics to solve that particular problem. In religion they ignored the fallacy of their "reasoning" and just claimed they were right without anything to show for it. And it worked... Irony overtime.
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