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Frant
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| iNatan wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | WaldoJ wrote: | | Cheapen pc hardware and you'll see software sales increase tenfold. |
There some truth in that. Or rather, new games shouldn't require the top-of-the-line hardware that a small minority can afford to look and play good. But on the other hand, if technology wasn't pushed (by Crytek, iD etc.) games would look like 2004-titles today. |
What? If a game is properly coded, it would never require you to have the top of the line hardware. You'll be able to play it just fine with low settings. But then you'll cry "I don't want to play that game on low, it looks like crap compared to high!"
I don't know, I am for constant advancement of graphics, but not just for that. When gameplay takes a back seat just for graphics, like in the case of Crysis, it looks good but it's pointless. |
I was only posing two different points of view. I still remember when Unreal was released. Even the top-of-the-line PC's could barely handle it at top resolution (at the time) or every effect maxed out. It caused a slight boom in PC upgrades (I still remember the articles and headlines), and the same effect came from the first 2-3 Quake games etc.. They pushed the envelope of technology which other games took advantage of since the hardware industry pushed ahead. It's a constant race between faster hardware and more demanding software. They're driving each other. It's a good thing, it's just completely different from consoles which are static.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2008 17:16 Post subject: |
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Frant just mention the oh so many console exclusive AAA titles then..
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2008 18:01 Post subject: |
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You missunderstand him, and
| Frant wrote: | | you place me in the <black or white> / <right or wrong> fold even though that's very far from the truth |
He is right
This kind of tunnel-vision is putting me and a lot of people off for even posting something in the first place..
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2008 18:42 Post subject: |
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Back on topic.
From my end I believe we are indeed f*** Pc gaming. Game industry is a business and will go where the money is. Sales figures is what drive the industry not players.
If nothing is changed we will get console ports after another. GTA 4, Far Cry2 are fine examples- This will be increasingly painful in the next years as we are closing the life cycle of the present consoles.
Imagine playing games made for a 3 year PC (next gen console) in the next years..
PC offers the better gaming platform hands down - Better visuals sound interface- so it should naturally be the AAA titles showcase platform but this is now past. (with some increasingly rare exceptions )
I wonder how INTEL, ATI, NVIDIA .. and the hundreds/ thousands of hardware company's living partially or in total of PC gaming look at this - Maybe in the future we will have to pay in hardware what we spare on the software.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2008 18:49 Post subject: |
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Why is FC2 an example? That was always being developed as a multiplatform release, exclusivity for neither console nor PC -- and the PC version not only looks better, but runs gloriously too.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2008 19:23 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Why is FC2 an example? That was always being developed as a multiplatform release, exclusivity for neither console nor PC -- and the PC version not only looks better, but runs gloriously too. |
Because it plays and feels like a console game. I was expecting a free rooming shooter i get a go there kill go here kill "you can save your game in this box" pooping or having to kill the same grunts every cross road you have just passed (console memory limitation?).. it kills the immersion for me.
I use the usual way to get FC2, played for half an our and uninstalled it, no harm done.
GTA 4, I bought it! Not bad.. actually a good game. But it could be a great game if it would have been done for PC first... with a 100 million tag on it, wouldn't it?
And that's the main problem IMO. Games are made to use gamepads, TV screens with inbuilt crappy sound columns. Not to take advantage of a PC - and it shows
PS: I game since the ZXspectrum 48k, maybe, like someone said earlier, i´m just getting hold and expect more of a game.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2008 19:31 Post subject: |
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I guess we're all just wanting, and expecting, more out of games these days. It's just the way of life.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2008 19:38 Post subject: |
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| B1kudo wrote: | | having to kill the same grunts every cross road you have just passed (console memory limitation?). |
No.
Just terrible game design.
| Quote: | | Games are made to use gamepads, TV screens with inbuilt crappy sound columns. |
Uh no again. Pretty much most console games use 5.1 surround.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008 14:23 Post subject: |
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yeah its kinda fun to see a console like the ps3 , which afaik hasnt been hacked yet, still sucks total arse in sales .. (gamewise)
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008 14:25 Post subject: |
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It's because no bugger can afford the damned thing. When Sony finally lower the price to something a tad more reasonable ... sales will take off.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008 14:33 Post subject: |
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Oh god.. no! Don't say that! Whatever you do, don't blame piracy on high costs! You're just making excuses you pathetic excuse for a human!
/sarcasm
Mate, I agree totally. As I've outlined before; unless I REALLY love a game, I'll be damned if I'm paying £30-40 for it - especially as most games'll last you 5-6hrs at best. RPGs usually get the bulk of my money because I at least know the damned thing is gonna last!
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008 14:47 Post subject: |
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if devs would to save their products they have only to put all on steam, giving to games steam functions like steamcloud or steamworks and make many many updates. steam is 100% online and 100% unbreakable. any other protection they go to put can be cracked. this is what i think
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008 14:49 Post subject: |
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| jerry12 wrote: | | if devs would to save their products they have only to put all on steam and make many many updates. steam is 100% online and 100% unbreakable. any other protection can be cracked. this is what i think |
OMG guess who THAT is
first one gets a cookie ...
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008 14:59 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008 19:40 Post subject: |
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Honestly I think we all know we are getting screwed when it comes to the prices of games. Just look at digital distribution and how its clearly cheaper for them and yet they charge the same or even more than a physical copy. For example CoD4 on steam is $49.99 the same exact price as CoD5 but on Newegg its $37.99 with free shipping and you may even get a lower price if you decided to buy it from a local store.
What I believe independent developers should do is make a program similar to steam and simply have a low membership fees to cover the costs of the bandwidth and maintenance of the program. These fees would be much lower than the % publishers demand so the developers would make a much larger profit and could afford to lower prices to maximize sales.
Lets be honest now would you want to buy the game that was worked on long and hard or one that was rushed by publishers by enforcing a deadline? Even worse if the publisher owns the developer. Which do you honestly think is going to make the better game in the end? Also wouldn't you be much more likely to purchase a game knowing the developers would be getting the money and the games priced is much more fair?
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dr-nix
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008 11:43 Post subject: |
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Before the internet became what it is today big distribution companies was needed to reach the masses. It would've be difficult for the developer of a game or a musician to sell their work directly. Now this doesn't hold true anymore, big distribution companies still exist and make money but there is an alternative.
I hope more developers would get their act together and sell their stuff directly via the internet, via some steam-like application for instance. They could lower the prices because they wouldn't be selling via another company and this would increase sales. I'm guessing this potential future is very scary to companies that make their money but selling other peoples work.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008 12:11 Post subject: |
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It's not just about the distribution, it's about capital. Publishers put all the money for the development of a game - up front. The very reason a publisher is needed is mainly because of money. If developers didn't need publisher money, then selling via Steam would be a great idea.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008 14:48 Post subject: |
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For me, it comes down to this. I like to try a game before I buy it. Whether its a PC, 360 or PS3 game (have all three platforms).
I dont play my 360 anymore to be honest as any good game that comes out for the xbox comes out for the PS3 and I get it for the PS3.
And if I do buy a game for PS3, its a game I KNOW im gunna like and play more than once ala MGS4.
As for PC games, Ive download games, played it for an hour and went out and bought it. I like being able to get the patch, plus the insets, plus the manual, plus the actual box/case/whatever you wanna call the thing a game comes in.
Take Mass Effect. I downloaded it, played it through and got addicted. So I went out and bought it...not just because I loved it, but because of the DLC.
I buy TONS of games, but they are only the best games. Hence the reason I havent picked up End War. I dont trust game reviewers...cuz if the game is made by Ubisoft or a similar big name company, it automatically gets a good review.
When End War comes out, I'll download it, and if its good and I like it, of course I'll go buy it.
I have tons and tons of videogames. I have shelves of games for the PS3 and PC (and a few for xbox).
If I cant try a game (and I dont mean a demo which is obviously made perfectly as in no bugs, shows off its best features), like play it for an hour or 2 and determine if I like it, Im not gunna go spend 80 bucks (after tax) for a game I dont know if Im gunna enjoy
And its not like you can return the game if you dont like it and get your money back...you return it and you get what, 15-20 bucks....so I basically paid 60 bucks for nothing.....pure scam
Especially when it comes to the PS3. The PS3 games havent been pirated so you should be able to return the game for full value but thats not the case is it?
'Piracy' does help sales imo. Aside from the kiddies who pirate everything in sight because mommy and daddy wont buy it for them, there are tons of ppl like me - adults who spend tons of money on games.
Again, no way am I shelling out 80 bucks for a game without trying it first. Unless its one of those games that I know is going to kickass ie MGS4 and GTA4 (ps3). I knew those games were gunna be awesome so ofcourse I bought them
The next game I probably will buy without testing or anything is Terminator:Salvation. Looks incredible. And Im willing to take the chance with it. But from what ive seen, it looks like its worth the money.
If companies wanted to all but elimate piracy, they would sell games for 29.99. That way if you buy it and it suck, well, your only out 35 bucks. No big deal.
But while new games are still retailing for 69.99 (80 after tax), Im not gunna buy it unless I can test it first.
The game companies have it all wrong...piracy helps sales, doesnt hinder them.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008 15:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008 18:32 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: |
The game companies have it all wrong...piracy helps sales, doesnt hinder them. |
I'm not sure how anyone can say this with a straight face. Piracy costs devs thousands of sales. That may not be a bad thing for the consumer since it helps them avoid wasting money on shitty games, but you have to be pretty fucking naive to think piracy increases sales.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008 18:40 Post subject: |
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How can you say it costs thousands of sales? Can you read the minds of people who pirate games and say that they honestly would buy them if they couldn't pirate them? You can't really say it affects sales for the worse or better since we most likely will never see the day of no piracy.
If the game does NOT have a demo I'd say it most likely increases sales. I for one would NEVER EVER buy a game I haven't tried at all, sheep might buy games based on reviews only though..
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