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SycoShaman
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 Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 02:40 Post subject: Debate Night in America and Canada |
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So people, 2 debates tonight. VP debate in the US and Prime Minister debate in Canada.
Everyone watch (most of you will probably watch the american one, i dont think the canadian one gets international coverage) and lets discuss when they are done.
But in your replies put AMERICAN DEBATE or CANADIAN DEBATE as a header.
So waldo, nouse, pistol, I expect to hear some good comments from y'all  (and to any other canadians on here that i didnt mention).
Im gunna watch the Canadian debate and record the american one. Thank god for dvr's/pvr's. I cant wait to see Palin look like a fool and going up against seasoned Joe Biden, she's bound to look foolish.
Btw, both start at 9pm EST. American one is on CNN and the Canadian one is on CBC
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 02:55 Post subject: |
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if there is a link to it, so euroturds can watch it too, put it in here as well. I m highly interested =)
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 03:04 Post subject: |
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VP in us will rock!
| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 03:24 Post subject: |
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Palin has her hair down. So far she's doing remarkably well.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 05:23 Post subject: |
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Palin gained a lot of ground tonight. Republicans nationwide are breathing a sigh of relief. I won't say she won, but she was certainly Biden's equal, and a far cry from the Katie Couric interview or Tina Fey's skit.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 06:17 Post subject: |
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I havent watched the American debate yet, gunna put it on in a few minutes, recorded it.
But the Canadian debate was great. Everyone was attacking Stephen Harper (current PM and Conservative Party leader). Everything from his lies, to his 50 billion dollar tax breaks for oil companies, they kept calling him the Canadian George Bush.
It helped me alot in terms of who I am going to vote for. Im leaning more toward Liberal now because they have a good, solid plan for Canada...but so does the NDP (New Democratic Party).
The only problem I have with the Liberal leader, Stephen Dion, is that english isnt his first language and he doesnt express himself well in english. But that can be fixed with a little schooling.
But NDP also has some good ideas on how to improve Canada and Jack Layton impressed me tonight with his debating skills. So I dunno. Im gunna have to read more about the NDP and Liberal plan before I make a choice.
Ive voted Liberal my whole adult life but I might just vote NDP this year as i dont think Stephen Dion is a capable leader. He's a skinny, frail looking guy. A Prime Minister or President or whatever needs to be strong - in terms of appearance, voice, action etc and Jack Layton (NDP) has those qualities.
But it was a good debate
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 10:52 Post subject: |
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Well, I watched the american debate.
I think both did good jobs but Palin always does a good job when she's prepared. When she's interviewed on the fly, she sucks and lets her true colours show.
They should have asked her what she meant when she said she has alot of foreign experience because Alaska is beside Canada and across the way from Russia.
She's good when rep speech writers give her answers, but when she has to speak for herself, she's a complete fuckin idiot.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 11:05 Post subject: |
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She said nada, absolutley nothing, and if you think any different then your mislead. She said nothing because she knows bugger all 
And the only thing biden did nicely was mention his family crisis, and then that was pushed on you all anyhow. Good riposte even though he didnt mean it.
These people would be completely hosed if they had to go before Congress every Monday morning and take their licks.
Don't be surprised. The lumpenprole are in charge. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 11:05 Post subject: |
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What I find the most disturbing is how can anyone ever think of voting another christian fundementalist in the white house? John McCain might be alot better than Bush but what if he succumb to his age before his term is over? Then we have a woman who obviously not ready for the precidency and is a believer in some outrageous christian claims like homosexuality can be "cured" and complete disregard of the teachings of darwin...
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 11:23 Post subject: |
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"We need to bring other nations with us that don't feel as strongly about climate change and pollution as we do" SP..
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 11:43 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | What I find the most disturbing is how can anyone ever think of voting another christian fundementalist in the white house? John McCain might be alot better than Bush but what if he succumb to his age before his term is over? Then we have a woman who obviously not ready for the precidency and is a believer in some outrageous christian claims like homosexuality can be "cured" and complete disregard of the teachings of darwin... |
exactly my friend.
McCain is old and there is a good chance he could die in office if he wins. I sure as hell wouldnt want a evangelical christian running my country.
Ive even heard her say that abortion shouldnt be allowed even if its the result of incest or rape. Like wtf?
And yeah, the homosexuality thing is just fuckin retarded.
Plain and simple, she's a typical christian fanatic. Yet she has the tits to bash muslim fanatics. She's no different than they are.
I would like to see her do one interview, on a national stage, where she doesnt know what the questions will be so she cant prepare. Then we will see her true colours.
Cause every interview she's done where she didnt know what the questions would be, she fucks up big time.
Im happy to say my american family members are smart enough not to vote for her or the republicans.
As for abortion, that should be left up to the woman. If the fetus is under a certain age (i think its like 3 months) then the choice should be up to the woman and she should in no way be condemmed for having an abortion.
Why bring a child into this world if its gunna suffer and or live in poverty?
Or imagine a woman is raped and keeps the child. One day the child is gunna ask about her daddy. Whats her mom gunna say? Well, one day I got loaded at a party and some guy held me down and raped me and thats how you were conceived.
A child should be conceived through love, not through violence.
Like that hatebreed song title "Conceived through the act of violence"....
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 12:00 Post subject: |
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what a waste of time.. she's a stupid woman, picked for one reason: tits. she fucks up one on one interviews then talks like a pre-recorded message on the stage.. i watched about 30min then had to walk out. did either of them actually answer any of the questions presented to them? or was it "well mr. maverick did this cause he's a heckuva guy" or "mr. change has gotta a plan, srsly"
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 12:06 Post subject: |
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Yeah, problem was, all the strong pre-recorded mantra's were the same ones Mccain used during the last debate..
Kind of highlighted it...
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 12:07 Post subject: |
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| ToCS wrote: | | what a waste of time.. she's a stupid woman, picked for one reason: tits. she fucks up one on one interviews then talks like a pre-recorded message on the stage.. i watched about 30min then had to walk out. did either of them actually answer any of the questions presented to them? or was it "well mr. maverick did this cause he's a heckuva guy" or "mr. change has gotta a plan, srsly" |
hahaha very true
Ive never heard someone use the term maverick so many times in one speech. |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 15:37 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Im gunna have to read more about the NDP and Liberal plan before I make a choice. |
I'm not the biggest fan of strategic voting, but ...
http://www.voteforenvironment.ca/
enter your postal code, find out what the race is like in your riding and who your ABC (anything but conservative) vote should go to.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 19:34 Post subject: |
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will do
hahaha love the ABC thing, Gunna have to show that to my brother. He's works for the conservative campaign...you'd love talking to him. According to him, Harper is the only choice and the rest are all liers...lol I swear, I dont even bother talking politics with him anymore. He's such a conservative fan boy its ridiculous.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 20:34 Post subject: |
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Yeah she wasn't good...
dead giveaway was the first sentence of every response was always slightly out of context with the question presented..
Just keyword triggers..
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 20:48 Post subject: |
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In contrast I liked Biden's response about the position of Vice President...
It implied a really strong Idealistic nature and a depth of knowledge and passion for the system...
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 21:46 Post subject: |
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| tedrotheredro wrote: | | The red states (and some swing states) are looking for someone to represent their interests. Her charisma and resilience are her strengths. Policy...not so much. |
It's funny how those states look to a party that is quicker to support wall st. than they are in supporting health care for all and education. That appeal of the republican party for the two extreme strata of society has always confused me. But you're right. It's all about perception and policy doesn't even figure in the decision.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 22:15 Post subject: |
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Mr Haidt should have followed his own advice when he wrote that piece.
| Quote: | | Democrats, in contrast, appeal to reason with their long-winded explorations of policy options for a complex world. |
But he is right though because it is presumptious for one group to impose what they see as their 'values' on another group which might see them as restrictive or too liberal. And yet certain values appeal to people across boundaries. A good example of that is the hispanic vote which is no longer something the democrats can take as a given.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 22:20 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | wonder who will vote for Palin... |
Glad I'm in a blue state, too bad it's a red country though.
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Biden could have hammered home that the current financial and other messes happened on the watch of the current two-term administration.
] would have had all four of these candidates for breakfast.
