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 Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 09:05 Post subject: [XBOX360] VGA Cable & Text Questions |
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Anyone here use th VGA cable from MS or Monster? Does it look better than on a normal TV?
Also the ext right now is shitty as hell to read, tried dead rising and i couldn't read a fucking thing and too human is a little hard too read as well
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 09:19 Post subject: |
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I found it made a huge difference. I have the VGA MS cable connceted to my 24" monitor and it looks sweet. Spotting snipers on BF:BC with ease. I had to take my box downstairs and stick it on my normal TV the other day and it looked horrible on the composite connection. I stuck it onto my TVs component which was better but still not as nice as my monitor.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 09:43 Post subject: |
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It does make a great deal of difference. When i used to play on a SDTV, the cable made it fairly easy to read the text in Dead Risng.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 09:56 Post subject: |
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cool, been watching ebay all week to score it as cheap as possible. Found the OEM from MS for 10.95 with free shipping *grin* ebay is my friend
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 10:08 Post subject: |
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SpykeZ, where do you live? i have a cable from gameuk unused if you want it and ur in the uk.
refund my postage and it's yours for free :¬)
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 10:10 Post subject: |
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read post above yours bud  already bought the OEM one....
what's a gameuk btw?
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 10:28 Post subject: |
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Ahh my bad, didn't read your post properly!
Game the shop, i bought one of their leads but never used it..
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 10:34 Post subject: |
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ooooo, ya i would only use either the monster or OEM cables, the rest are known to be of shitty viewing quality
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 10:45 Post subject: |
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The VGA cable is fucking intense!! There is simply no comparison to the SDTV connection and, on a decent monitor, rivals the quality of the HDMI connection too. Also, the VGA connection through a TV results in considerably less "jaggies" than HDMI connection.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 13:59 Post subject: |
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That's true, though to be fair.. they've got a HUGE selection of possible resolutions under the VGA config. I think it would be exceptionally rare to have a monitor that doesn't have a listed/supported resolution.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 13:59 Post subject: |
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at least they bring 16:10 support with new update
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 14:02 Post subject: |
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Oooh, I'd forgotten about that!
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 14:03 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | at least they bring 16:10 support with new update |
What when? The recent update? I should check my settings when I play again then.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 14:04 Post subject: |
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Nah, the upcoming Dashboard update is bringing 16:10 support.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 14:06 Post subject: |
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Yea, just googled it. Installing games on the HDD seems good too.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 14:12 Post subject: |
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"seems good"? LOL! It's the best feature to hit the 360 since DRM-less XBLA games! ^_^ I soooo can't wait for that feature! I'm looking forward to playing GTA4 without texture pop-in .. and Lost Odyssey without the teeth-grind'ingly annoying load times.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 18:38 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | The VGA cable is fucking intense!! There is simply no comparison to the SDTV connection and, on a decent monitor, rivals the quality of the HDMI connection too. Also, the VGA connection through a TV results in considerably less "jaggies" than HDMI connection. |
Erm.. Your HDMI settings are fucked.
You're essentially just comparing VGA and DVI. DVI is better, and always will be, fix your TV (turn off sharpness and edge enhancement on digital signals, they don't use/need them).
but anyway, yes, VGA on a 22 inch monitor looks great, even though the games only run at 1280x720, it kicks the shit out of 640x480i (downscaled).
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008 02:59 Post subject: |
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Yea, upscaled to shit because the native res is 1024x768! That's a horrible TV to base any argument on.
Don't point to google and expect me to not call your bluff when you clearly don't know fuck all about the subject, you just know you saw your friends TV (which, judging by its capabilities, is going to look like shit at ANY HD resolution) and you liked it better on VGA.
And that's fine. But you're not saying you liked your friends TV on VGA.
You're saying VGA as a standard is better than HDMI/DVI. And it isn't, it's subject to interference, it's converted so there is some noticeable signal loss, it can cause flicker on some colors, colors often bleed onto nearby pixels, all of these problems were conquered when DVI became the new standard.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008 03:08 Post subject: |
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I've seen no "flicker on colours" nor have I seen "colours often bleeding onto nearby pixels" You're stating something as fact and yet there is ZERO evidence to back it up. There may be issues on lower quality monitors, but even then -- according to many sources - there's no difference to the naked eye. It's like trying to find the quality increase from 1080i to 1080p.
It's the same bullshit argument all over again that we had when PCI-E came out to replace AGP. AGP x8 wasn't saturated enough to warrant a new interface, but one was created anyway -- and then there's people like you that claim to SEE the speed difference between the two, just as you claim to see the difference between VGA and DVI.
There is no fucking difference unless you're using a POS monitor, in which case; boo fucking hoo. Upgrade, bitch.
There are no discernible differences between VGA and DVI on *my* monitor, so why the fuck should I listen to you?
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008 13:57 Post subject: |
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heres an idea, how about both of you shut the hell up and go find another thread to cry at each other in. If it was such a "stupid argument" then why did you prolong it and knock my thread up to 2 pages of useless fucking bullshit.
| Mortibus wrote: | | at least they bring 16:10 support with new update |
does that include 1440x900 ? lol, I only got a 19" widescreen :\
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008 15:08 Post subject: |
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16:10
| Code: | WXGA 1,280×800 UMPC
WXGA 1,440×900 19"
WSXGA 1,680×1,050 20-22"
WUXGA 1,920×1,200 24" |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008 15:14 Post subject: |
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Kinda strange it took MS this long...
But on the other hand as long as you can afford a 360 I guess you can afford a decent 32" LCD.
Very cheap here at least.
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Aug 2008 13:41 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | 16:10
| Code: | WXGA 1,280×800 UMPC
WXGA 1,440×900 19"
WSXGA 1,680×1,050 20-22"
WUXGA 1,920×1,200 24" |
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i think i just pottied on myself  got a couple days off work, hopefully my cord will be here |
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2008 15:50 Post subject: |
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so...i got the cable in, sounds fucking sweet on the G51 i have, oh and am I missing something? are these games only going to look good in my native resolution (1440 when it comes in fall) cause GTA IV looks like a jaggie horse shit on wheels
I can finally read what's going on in ace combat 6  but even than, i see jaggies
is there settings im missing or something?
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2008 17:14 Post subject: |
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i also have 19" and it loox better in 1280x720 even tho AR is a bit fooked
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 02:06 Post subject: |
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Well, generally (but not always) 360(and PS3 titles for that matter) titles don't have more than 2xAA.
The reason you don't see jaggies on a regular TV is because the image is downscaled (shrunk) thus making it look a lot smoother. Games always run at 720p (well, except MGS4 and Halo4, 640p).
Now that you're seeing them at their native res you can see that they in fact, don't have antialiasing. Mind you there are games that mimic AA really well (Force Unleashed).
I think the reason they did this (aside from, yknow, the whole antialiasing raping graphics cards thing) is because they don't expect you to sit 2 feet in front of your television.
When I play Bad Company on my TV I'm usually sitting 8 feet away on my couch, looks pretty smooth at that distance. When I sit right up in front of the TV or use the X360 VGA cable with my PC monitor I can clearly tell the game is jaggy as hell..
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