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 Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 04:31 Post subject: Who's gonna win? Valve VS Warez, Legit vs Copy |
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I know this sounds like a lame thread, I admit it probably is, but I couldn't help opening it. Twas stronger than me.
I obviously bought the game and I'm a happy customer. The game definitely deserved to be bought. Now, what do we have...
On one side there are the pirates. And not ordinary pirates. People who couldn't even spend their filthy 50 bucks to buy THE game, which took 5 years to be released. I'd say they are hardcore Warez-boys, the true Representatives of Piracy around the world.
On the other side, common people. The "I want it legit" kind of guy and the "I dl something from time to time but I buy the best of them" kind of guy. I'm not arrogant if I say that 90% of people is happy with the game and consider it worth the money.
So by now, and let me add, surprisingly, "legit guys" are winning. Warezed Half-Life 2 doesn't work, OR needs a number of annoying fixes (many of them barely decent), it crashes, generates problems with AI in-game, issues with Steam and so on. Not mention the unlucky guys who (never did two words fit better) "got caught" and had their Steam accounts cruelly banned. Now and then I hear someone who could run the game after infinite tweaking, fixing, editing the cfg file and bla bla bla...but it happens rarely and I'm beginning to wonder if they're saying the truth. I don't know any person who got the game running flawlessly. All the releases AND fixes (if there's an exception enlighten me) are nuked.
Now the question is, who won? And who's gonna win in the imminent future? Was Piracy owned badly this time? Or they will find a solution, a future release/fix which will solve the problem and make the game playable for everyone?
Feel free to post your opinions, and please do flame, it's gonna be fun.
(To moderators: I was kind of joking in the last statement  . Please do not delete my topic since it has nothing to do with Hl2 itself - you said "no more Hl2 threads" -, it basically has to do with the overall view of the gaming scene after Hl2 release. Thanks.)
Being a lamer is a skill
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 04:46 Post subject: |
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Ironically enough, piraters have successfully managed to play HL2 while, generally, encountering less problematic instances than retail purchasers. VALVe's anti-piracy techniques have incited more piracy than would have ever originally existed in the first place because of their inadequate measures and lacking functionality.
Simply put, piraters pay nothing to play a working game, whereas retail owners pay to try and solve the inner-workings of steam (which exceed the inner-workings of women in complexity by at least tenfold).
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 05:02 Post subject: |
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I have downloaded a lot of games,but this one I got a legit copy of,steam was obviously going to be a good preventative measure and the mods for this game are going to keep it going for a couple of years to come.Personally I have had no problems whatsoever with steam or the game,activated in ten minutes and blissfully played it.I think the next few months will show who wins out,any updates and extra content will go to the people who paid their cash,the ones with pirate versions will have to continue to mess around to get it going, if at all.Cya,I gotta go find some more downloads.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 05:22 Post subject: |
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they are doomed! the strategy of Valve hasn't been worse, of course they will get some cash but what happens to the boy who tryies to disipate a camp fire with gasoline???. they basically revealed their intentions as well as their protection source. this had to happened sooner or later, better yet it happend now so our friends can strike back.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 08:02 Post subject: |
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I have friends who live in a small town where the high speed internet technology is not there yet (old wires) and they bought the game at the Ebgames at a bigger town near by and they were madly suprised when they saw that they need high speed for the game. So they returned the game and bought the game for 10$ from a local bootlegger and swear to never buy Valve games for the rest of their lives.
So Valve pissed off real customers too with this STEAM crap...think of all the people in Europe who live in little towns where the wires was installed during WWII...they cant play the game either.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 08:38 Post subject: |
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hehehehehehehehe that was cool!!! hehehehehe
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 09:30 Post subject: |
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| Kommando wrote: | I have friends who live in a small town where the high speed internet technology is not there yet (old wires) and they bought the game at the Ebgames at a bigger town near by and they were madly suprised when they saw that they need high speed for the game. So they returned the game and bought the game for 10$ from a local bootlegger and swear to never buy Valve games for the rest of their lives.
So Valve pissed off real customers too with this STEAM crap...think of all the people in Europe who live in little towns where the wires was installed during WWII...they cant play the game either. |
Your friends may need to take some english classes then or at least buy some glasses, cause on my box it doesn't say high speed internet connection, just internet connection, so thats just bs.
On the other hand i hope you were joking.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 09:52 Post subject: |
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thats not true, u can play CS on 28.8k connection (believe me ive known guys who have O.o) and i dont see why this would be any different, they're running off the same content servers. i think ur friends are just impatient.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 09:57 Post subject: |
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Pirates win...
My copy of HL2 still works without a problem.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 10:07 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | thats not true, u can play CS on 28.8k connection (believe me ive known guys who have O.o) and i dont see why this would be any different, they're running off the same content servers. i think ur friends are just impatient. |
Playing a game and downloading one (nearly 1 gig) on 56k its a big fuckin difference my friend.
Downloading the content of the game with cable connection takes nearly 20 minutes how long do you think it will take with a 56k
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 10:26 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 10:31 Post subject: |
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Well they made loads of money, and pwned a few pirates. Valve = Win.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 10:56 Post subject: |
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ya valve is definately winning so far
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 11:08 Post subject: |
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I win. i pirated it. still playing it. no crashes what so ever.
plus my steam acount isn't banned.
like i give a shit who wins or not.
they aint getting my money.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 11:13 Post subject: |
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I don't think valve is winning. I think on all levels, it lost.
Personally, I managed to get the game to run and it's running flalessly so far with the StoRM release along with the "fix for all versions". I have absolutely no errors and I have just finished the game last night.
Now, valve lost cuz simply the news of the stupid steam activation annoyed SO many people into getting the warez version instead of the retail version.
Until 3 months ago I had a 56k connection, there was no way in hell I could've bought the retail and then went on to download 1gig of shit from steam just so they can have their stupid copy protection which is, ironically, broken already.
Many people here still have 56k connections and all those people went to the warez versions instead of the retail.
Add to that the fact that this is a rip off. When I pay $50 for a game, I expect to be able to play it anytime, anywhere I want. So say I have 3 or 4 computers I don't wanna download that shit to each of them. Say I did a format of my HDD and reinstalled windows, I don't wanna have to download 1gig AGAIN, or say I finished the game, removed it and a couple of years from now wanted to play it, I still don't want to download 1gig. I never wanna go through all that hassle just to use something that I PAID for!
Personally, I think valve totally screwed up for being greedy with this one. Most people were already gonna buy the game out of respect for the greatest legacy in FPS history, but they forced those people to get the warez version.
Way to go valve!
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Surray
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 11:19 Post subject: |
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buying a game is losing to a game developer? damn, what a lame thread.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 11:21 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | | buying a game is losing to a game developer? damn, what a lame thread. |
is this really the best you could add to the thread??
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 11:36 Post subject: |
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| MoYo_Breathe wrote: | Until 3 months ago I had a 56k connection, there was no way in hell I could've bought the retail and then went on to download 1gig of shit from steam just so they can have their stupid copy protection which is, ironically, broken already.
Many people here still have 56k connections and all those people went to the warez versions instead of the retail.
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Interesting how those people with 56k connections download a 4 gigabytes warez release instead of downloading *a little* less than that to activate the retail.
It was also less of a copy protection than it was a leak protection to make a leaked version from the factories useless before it's release.
And yeah, the activation didnt work a few hours after release because so many people who bought the game went to activate it and more people went to buy it off steam and started downloading it. It can happen...people lost a few hours, oh god no, bet they all started crying when they couldnt play HL2 when they came home from school.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 11:59 Post subject: |
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It's like a kiddie fight in a sandbox! Who cares about steam, its just valves way of trying to protect their intellectual property.
This time they are one step ahead and the next time the pirates will!
I wont stop liking the games just because they are trying to protect them!
I've got both the warez version and the retail (2 comps) and yes, retail works better. I'ts just stupid flaming valve for trying to make some money on a game that has been extremly costly to develop!
The average dev cost for a big title today is around $15 mil, so valve ahs probably spent twice as much! can you blame'em for trying to cash in? or att least cash back?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 12:13 Post subject: |
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| MoYo_Breathe wrote: |
Now, valve lost cuz simply the news of the stupid steam activation annoyed SO many people into getting the warez version instead of the retail version.
Until 3 months ago I had a 56k connection, there was no way in hell I could've bought the retail and then went on to download 1gig of shit from steam just so they can have their stupid copy protection which is, ironically, broken already.
Many people here still have 56k connections and all those people went to the warez versions instead of the retail.
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Damn what a fucktard.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 12:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 12:29 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | MoYo_Breathe wrote: |
Now, valve lost cuz simply the news of the stupid steam activation annoyed SO many people into getting the warez version instead of the retail version.
Until 3 months ago I had a 56k connection, there was no way in hell I could've bought the retail and then went on to download 1gig of shit from steam just so they can have their stupid copy protection which is, ironically, broken already.
Many people here still have 56k connections and all those people went to the warez versions instead of the retail.
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Damn what a fucktard. |
calling him names only makes you look stupid and considering the mess valve caused on the first day of availability of hl2 making it nigh impossible for most peeps to activate their copy or only with a wait time of about 4 hours is only making his point more valid... ...not that i think his reasoning is good, but its a thing to be expected with poor online activation like steam |
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 12:31 Post subject: |
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Pirates already won, kthx.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 12:32 Post subject: |
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arrgh, me matey
hoist the sails!
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 12:47 Post subject: |
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Yeah Lutzifer, because it makes so much sense for a 56k'er to download 4GB of warez, rather then about 5mb's to activate the retail. Did you even read his post.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 12:50 Post subject: |
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Maybe the scene is also getting bored (few cracked releases today)... Look at the main page of Nforce, many of the comments involve guys who don't know the meaning of the word "respect". And it's not only here.
Plus the fact that so many people who think piracy is a right...
If today I were part of a scene group I would only keep my work for me and my friends.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 13:00 Post subject: |
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I downloaded the game and played it through in 10-12 hours on hard. It was nothing spectacular and there's not much replay value. I'm glad I didn't spend any money on it.
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Surray
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 13:11 Post subject: |
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| Nubman wrote: | | I downloaded the game and played it through in 10-12 hours on hard. It was nothing spectacular and there's not much replay value. I'm glad I didn't spend any money on it. |
Sure, it doesnt revolutionize the genre, but nothing will now anymore. The times of revolutionizing genre's is long gone. Everything has been done before somewhere nowadays, what changes is to what extent stuff is used in a game. Half-Life 2 is the first shooter to extensively integrate physics into gameplay, which is a good thing, but it's been done before, just not this big.
Eventhough it's just another shooter (Doom 3, anyone?), it's still the best single player shooter I've ever played and I've probably played pretty much all of them. 10-12 hours is pretty much for a shooter too. Most don't get above 8 hours.
And well, the single player game is the smallest thing of what is
Half-Life 2. What I paid for was not only a very entertaining 12 hours of Single Player shooter experience but perhaps hundreds or even thousands of hours worth of multiplayer and single player action that will come over in form of mods during the next few years.
Do you think Half-Life sold so well only because it was awarded 50 Game of the Year awards?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Nov 2004 14:08 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Yeah Lutzifer, because it makes so much sense for a 56k'er to download 4GB of warez, rather then about 5mb's to activate the retail. Did you even read his post. |
i m sorry that not everybody has witnessed the golder era of mailtrading but have you ever heard of getting burned copies from friends?
Two friends of mine bought it the day it came out and one couldnt get it to work that night, and the other one needed over 4 hours to get the steam authentification... ...both on highspeed broadband. I dont wanna know what would have happened with modem. |
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