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| compubrain3000 wrote: | | ChinUp wrote: | | I have been in such circomstances, where the woman was naked with over twenty naked men in a hot spring. The probability of the woman being raped was zero. |
And you figured that out how?
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How? Experience.
I have done it. Meager Creek. It was all good.
http://www3.telus.net/hillwalker/meager.htm
I was young 21 or 22 and hot (I would like to think anyway)
I was with my boyfriend and we forgot the camera. I made him go back and get it. We had smoked a joint and it took him over a hour to walk back to the parking lot camp stop. I was drinking beer too. There was maybe 5 nakkid guys there at the time. 5 mins after he left 10 nakid German men showed up. I was the only girl and it was a bit weird. Everybody was extreamly respectfull, not one stared at my body. It about 8 or so in the evening. They were drinking wine.
I get more harrassment at the grocery store wearing loose jeans, runners, and a old tee-shirt. More loosers at the grocery store then at the nakkid hotsprings.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | How? Experience.
I have done it. Meager Creek. It was all good.
http://www3.telus.net/hillwalker/meager.htm
I was young 21 or 22 and hot (I would like to think anyway)
I was with my boyfriend and we forgot the camera. I made him go back and get it. We had smoked a joint and it took him over a hour to walk back to the parking lot camp stop. I was drinking beer too. There was maybe 5 nakkid guys there at the time. 5 mins after he left 10 nakid German men showed up. I was the only girl and it was a bit weird. Everybody was extreamly respectfull, not one stared at my body. It about 8 or so in the evening. They were drinking wine.
I get more harrassment at the grocery store wearing loose jeans, runners, and a old tee-shirt. More loosers at the grocery store then at the nakkid hotsprings. |
I'll take your word for it.
But would you feel safe enough to walk naked on the city streets at night?
Would you be totally innocent if someone harassed you?
That's what NuclearShadow suggested. |
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2008 17:57 Post subject: |
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| compubrain3000 wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | How? Experience.
I have done it. Meager Creek. It was all good.
http://www3.telus.net/hillwalker/meager.htm
I was young 21 or 22 and hot (I would like to think anyway)
I was with my boyfriend and we forgot the camera. I made him go back and get it. We had smoked a joint and it took him over a hour to walk back to the parking lot camp stop. I was drinking beer too. There was maybe 5 nakkid guys there at the time. 5 mins after he left 10 nakid German men showed up. I was the only girl and it was a bit weird. Everybody was extreamly respectfull, not one stared at my body. It about 8 or so in the evening. They were drinking wine.
I get more harrassment at the grocery store wearing loose jeans, runners, and a old tee-shirt. More loosers at the grocery store then at the nakkid hotsprings. |
I'll take your word for it.
But would you feel safe enough to walk naked on the city streets at night?
Would you be totally innocent if someone harassed you?
That's what NuclearShadow suggested. |
No I would not feel safe at night in most area's regardless of what I am wearing. The reality is I don't live in a safe area and I know that there are people with the type of mindset you are suggesting that exist here. Therefore I use my common sence to protect myself. Someone should be able to walk nakid down the street and not be harrassed. That is the kind of mindset we should all be reaching for.
We have a huge drug problem here. Sometimes the addits get so messed up they lose their clothes. I have seen really messed up women with their boobs hanging outta their shirts, or their ass exposed. Some would say they were asking for it too. "I found her nakid and passed out" They have a problem and only a shithead would take advantage of that. That is still rape.
No man is entitled to sex for whatever reason -period. A man needs permission.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2008 18:06 Post subject: |
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^ the rest of the guys would have jumped on any guy who tried it on. Its called looking after each other. When people operate like a team rather than isolated scared animals there aren't any problems with mutual respect for each others bodies.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2008 18:40 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | No I would not feel safe at night in most area's regardless of what I am wearing. The reality is I don't live in a safe area and I know that there are people with the type of mindset you are suggesting that exist here. Therefore I use my common sence to protect myself. Someone should be able to walk nakid down the street and not be harrassed. That is the kind of mindset we should all be reaching for.
We have a huge drug problem here. Sometimes the addits get so messed up they lose their clothes. I have seen really messed up women with their boobs hanging outta their shirts, or their ass exposed. Some would say they were asking for it too. "I found her nakid and passed out" They have a problem and only a shithead would take advantage of that. That is still rape.
No man is entitled to sex for whatever reason -period. A man needs permission. |
I agree with you completely. |
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 08:09 Post subject: |
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| compubrain3000 wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | No I would not feel safe at night in most area's regardless of what I am wearing. The reality is I don't live in a safe area and I know that there are people with the type of mindset you are suggesting that exist here. Therefore I use my common sence to protect myself. Someone should be able to walk nakid down the street and not be harrassed. That is the kind of mindset we should all be reaching for.
We have a huge drug problem here. Sometimes the addits get so messed up they lose their clothes. I have seen really messed up women with their boobs hanging outta their shirts, or their ass exposed. Some would say they were asking for it too. "I found her nakid and passed out" They have a problem and only a shithead would take advantage of that. That is still rape.
No man is entitled to sex for whatever reason -period. A man needs permission. |
I agree with you completely. |
I also wanted to add to that if a women was walking down the street nakid she would be arrested because (it is against the law) and a psych evaluation would be done.
Nakid beaches have a "clothing optional zone" sign posted so you are warned.
A woman is allowed to go topless in public here, it was passed because of one woman. My friend almost rear-ended the car in front when she went by on her bike. She ride her bike without her top in the summer. The police kept arresting her before the law changed.
Nuke
Calling him a monster is a bit harsh don't you think? I would save that lable for someone who was actually going out and commiting this acts.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 08:27 Post subject: |
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This is an odd area for this topic to be going.
First off people are confusing things here. Rape (at least in Canada) is relatively rare, so being nude with a group of guys your chances of being raped is low. Much like being clothed and being with a group of men is relatively rare (being raped). Rape and nudity and rape and clothing are in no way related. nudists will be much more respectful of others being naked around them, that's about the only significant difference. They are not nessacarily more enlightened, or better people, or anything else, they are simply more respectful of nudity.
Pistolschrimp you wrote and I quote "No man is entitled to sex for whatever reason -period. A man needs permission."
respectfully I would like to rewrite this as, No one is entitled to sex for whatever reason -period. A person needs permission. Women do rape, more rare then men but it does happen,
and needs to be recognized.
Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider.
To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 08:40 Post subject: |
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@mart
With respect to the last part, you are right. Re-write away.
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ChinUp
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| compubrain3000 wrote: | | Striving for Utopia is very noble, but one has to realize that it's unattainable. |
Attaining Utopia is nether here nor there, the point is in our willingness to work together towards a better tomorrow. Clearly you would rather make excuses than make an effort. Women only gyms are the product of people feeling the need to work out with their own gender due to feeling more comfortable with their own sex in such an environment. The more men & women are able to work together as a team & refrain from creating devisions with stereotypes & pettiness the less of a calling there will be for gender specific gyms.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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Cohen
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Phluxed
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I had mentionned the men being raped a page back or so, and I feel that most male rape cases aren't brought forward. Men who get 'raped' feel like they just got way too drunk and don't remember what happened or whatever. The fact is, men don't have the same type of connection with their body that women do. It's rare, but not as rare as people think (I can attest to it).
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 17:00 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | No I would not feel safe at night in most area's regardless of what I am wearing. The reality is I don't live in a safe area and I know that there are people with the type of mindset you are suggesting that exist here. Therefore I use my common sence to protect myself. Someone should be able to walk nakid down the street and not be harrassed. That is the kind of mindset we should all be reaching for.
We have a huge drug problem here. Sometimes the addits get so messed up they lose their clothes. I have seen really messed up women with their boobs hanging outta their shirts, or their ass exposed. Some would say they were asking for it too. "I found her nakid and passed out" They have a problem and only a shithead would take advantage of that. That is still rape.
No man is entitled to sex for whatever reason -period. A man needs permission. |
I agree with you completely. |
I also wanted to add to that if a women was walking down the street nakid she would be arrested because (it is against the law) and a psych evaluation would be done.
Nakid beaches have a "clothing optional zone" sign posted so you are warned.
A woman is allowed to go topless in public here, it was passed because of one woman. My friend almost rear-ended the car in front when she went by on her bike. She ride her bike without her top in the summer. The police kept arresting her before the law changed.
Nuke
Calling him a monster is a bit harsh don't you think? I would save that lable for someone who was actually going out and commiting this acts. |
that reminds me of what happpended here. A few years back, in the late 90's i think or very early this decade, women in ontario made a big deal that guys could walk around topless while women couldnt. So they fought and fought and fought and eventually it was made legal. Women can walk around topless if they want to. Since that law was passed, Ive seen ONE woman walk around topless and it was the first year the law was passed. They used to report it on the radio as well. Obviously they didnt say " THere's a big titted woman walking around Jane and Finch topless" but they would mention that a woman(women) have been spotted embracing the new law. But after about 2 or 3 years, the reports stopped and I have yet to see a woman walking around topless.
Why push for a law if your not going to use it all the time? Its not like the topless women were getting harassed. Most were down on lakeshore jogging or walking or roller blading you know? Near the beach on a hot day. No one ever harassed them (as far as im aware, there were never any reports about women being harassed).
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sadly the numbers of women willig to walk around topless with nice boobies is similar to that of those born with 3 tits.
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ChinUp
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I know many women who would gladly go without a top on a hot day but worries about not looking good enough & anger towards men in general that leads them to not want to afford any with the satisfaction of seeing them topless gets in the way.
This whole topic is about being able to look @ the big picture of gender unity, growing out of narrow minded short terms fears that limit our development.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 18:56 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: |
I agree with you completely. |
I also wanted to add to that if a women was walking down the street nakid she would be arrested because (it is against the law) and a psych evaluation would be done.
Nakid beaches have a "clothing optional zone" sign posted so you are warned.
A woman is allowed to go topless in public here, it was passed because of one woman. My friend almost rear-ended the car in front when she went by on her bike. She ride her bike without her top in the summer. The police kept arresting her before the law changed.
Nuke
Calling him a monster is a bit harsh don't you think? I would save that lable for someone who was actually going out and commiting this acts. |
that reminds me of what happpended here. A few years back, in the late 90's i think or very early this decade, women in ontario made a big deal that guys could walk around topless while women couldnt. So they fought and fought and fought and eventually it was made legal. Women can walk around topless if they want to. Since that law was passed, Ive seen ONE woman walk around topless and it was the first year the law was passed. They used to report it on the radio as well. Obviously they didnt say " THere's a big titted woman walking around Jane and Finch topless" but they would mention that a woman(women) have been spotted embracing the new law. But after about 2 or 3 years, the reports stopped and I have yet to see a woman walking around topless.
Why push for a law if your not going to use it all the time? Its not like the topless women were getting harassed. Most were down on lakeshore jogging or walking or roller blading you know? Near the beach on a hot day. No one ever harassed them (as far as im aware, there were never any reports about women being harassed). |
That is exactly what happened here too. I remember now it was Ont. that did it first. BC followed. You never hear about it anymore.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 18:59 Post subject: |
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I wonder why tho. The law is still the same i think. Women can still walk around topless.
I walk around without a shirt on all the time, especially in the summer. Nothing wrong with a woman doing it. I mean fuck, all your seeing is tits, nothing special. Every woman has em.
Women get to enjoy guys playing sports or whatever on the beach topless and sweating and stuff...I wanna see some women playing vollyball topless damnit  
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 19:21 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | I wonder why tho. The law is still the same i think. Women can still walk around topless.
I walk around without a shirt on all the time, especially in the summer. Nothing wrong with a woman doing it. I mean fuck, all your seeing is tits, nothing special. Every woman has em.
Women get to enjoy guys playing sports or whatever on the beach topless and sweating and stuff...I wanna see some women playing vollyball topless damnit |
Do you want to see them wincing from the pain of there tits slamming around ? Sport bras have a practical purpose you know, they are not just to cover up. After a game of volleyball I'm sure many women would love to be able to get rid of the harnesses  |
i prefer the bouncing around of tits while watching a game of volleyball. but thats me |
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 19:24 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | i prefer the bouncing around of tits while watching a game of volleyball. but thats me |
So you don't care if its painful & potentially damaging to the womens bodies ?  |
well, no, if it hurt it wouldnt be cool. But if it didnt, itd be great. Ive seen nude volleyball on tv. So I assume it doesnt hurt all women. Maybe just women with big tits  |
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SycoShaman
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@pistol
Oh, I didnt know that
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 19:32 Post subject: |
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I think you might be able to compare it to a man not wearing a jock cup during sports just so horney women watch the outline of his package move around.
For some women I guess it doesn't bother they because I have seen them do it and there isn't that much support in a bikkini anyway. Pro volly ball players all wear supportive sport bras. It helps with balance too.
During sports I wear the tightest one possible.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 19:45 Post subject: |
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The pectoral muscle will expand, pushing the bust of a woman out a little, this means the hanging part of the breast (due to the fat it contains) appears to be lifted. Support for breasts is really important. It also keeps them looking nice as women age.
Men will have a more profound effect mostly on the placement of the nipple, as the muscle grows the nipple will move towards the outside of the chest (towards the armpit.) The only way a nipple will rise is if the loose skin gets tightened (which isn't a pleasant thought.)
Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 19:49 Post subject: |
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| Martian123 wrote: | The pectoral muscle will expand, pushing the bust of a woman out a little, this means the hanging part of the breast (due to the fat it contains) appears to be lifted. Support for breasts is really important. It also keeps them looking nice as women age.
Men will have a more profound effect mostly on the placement of the nipple, as the muscle grows the nipple will move towards the outside of the chest (towards the armpit.) The only way a nipple will rise is if the loose skin gets tightened (which isn't a pleasant thought.) |
Do you agree then with what I said or does that mean he should need to tighten the skin, like surgery
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jul 2008 20:26 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | Martian123 wrote: | The pectoral muscle will expand, pushing the bust of a woman out a little, this means the hanging part of the breast (due to the fat it contains) appears to be lifted. Support for breasts is really important. It also keeps them looking nice as women age.
Men will have a more profound effect mostly on the placement of the nipple, as the muscle grows the nipple will move towards the outside of the chest (towards the armpit.) The only way a nipple will rise is if the loose skin gets tightened (which isn't a pleasant thought.) |
Do you agree then with what I said or does that mean he should need to tighten the skin, like surgery |
Depends really, it's all about him. He has to be happy with his body, if he works out hard for 6 months that should be a good indication of what is happening. He would have had to be very large to still be saggy.
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