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 Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 09:46 Post subject: |
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When you are 84 then it's a big deal.
But you're right, you can eat what you want but in limits, and if you work out 2-3 times in a week then you will stay healthy.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 10:53 Post subject: |
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Man, if I live to or past 80, I'll be happy. 
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 11:33 Post subject: |
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Actually, increasing your muscle mass makes you burn more calories in rest, especially your leg muscles (biggest muscles in your body). Together with some cardio you'll be a walking furnace, so to speak. I think regular omega-3 intake also increases fat loss when you exercise regularly
http://www.vitalchoice.com/uploads/Omega3&excersice4fatloss.pdf
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 12:33 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 14:04 Post subject: |
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Holy shit, where did they find a dumpster to put all that stuff in?
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Cohen
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 16:13 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | It is REALLY HARD for some women tho. Your friends can really fuck you up and you have to be a really strong person not to listen to them. It can get really fucked up. I can make a nice healthy sandwich for me and a friend. She wont eat it because there is butter (margerine) on it, or so she can taste. Sometimes no margerine either. Then the ride home she will stop at MacDonalds and eat a big mac and fries dipped in myo. WTF? And they are self rightous about not eating my sandwich too. They use me to make themselves feel better about themselves. If they hate what I am eating then fine but why put it and me down? They are always crit. what I choose to eat. If I was to follow everything they said and what I knew there would be NOTHING I could eat. I don't hang out with them anymore.
I think it helps when people get into relationships where both people are active. Just so you have someone to do things with.
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My lady doesnt keep that many friends. She has 2 female close friends and 2-3 distant male/female friends. She keeps incredibly fit and healthy. I feel sorry for you if youkeep friends around you who are like that.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 16:17 Post subject: |
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I am sure you just posted that for shock value.
Other people have had that happen too and they got the right care. You can't mistake 140 lb growth for fat if you are in decent shape to start with. It is kinda like the stories you hear of women giving birth while not knowing they were even preg. I call that denial.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 16:38 Post subject: |
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| kaeye wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | It is REALLY HARD for some women tho. Your friends can really fuck you up and you have to be a really strong person not to listen to them. It can get really fucked up. I can make a nice healthy sandwich for me and a friend. She wont eat it because there is butter (margerine) on it, or so she can taste. Sometimes no margerine either. Then the ride home she will stop at MacDonalds and eat a big mac and fries dipped in myo. WTF? And they are self rightous about not eating my sandwich too. They use me to make themselves feel better about themselves. If they hate what I am eating then fine but why put it and me down? They are always crit. what I choose to eat. If I was to follow everything they said and what I knew there would be NOTHING I could eat. I don't hang out with them anymore.
think it helps when people get into relationships where both people are active. Just so you have someone to do things with.
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My lady doesnt keep that many friends. She has 2 female close friends and 2-3 distant male/female friends. She keeps incredibly fit and healthy. I feel sorry for you if youkeep friends around you who are like that. |
I don't see her anymore. She used live far away but for the last 2 years she has moved back to my area. She fights with her husband all the time and to be honest I found it stressfull. I felt like I was a intruder on their family. It was really hard dealing with her unhealthy eating habits. Part of the prob was she was working too much so she had to do the processed quick meal/ fast food thing. I was more of the work less and just without mentality. Is getting your nails done every really that important? I guess it comes down to human nature. We make excuses for the things we want. I don't blame her for anything and she can do what she wants. She was a good friend but it got to be too much for me. I am sure I got on her nerves plenty.
She is still really pretty tho, even tho she is quite overweight. She got lots of attention in the club we used to go to, 10 times more than I did. I don't think I put out the same vibe as her. I don't mind clubs with a mixed group of friends but I feel like a couger when I am there with a few other women. There were A LOT of fat women in this club. It has closed now. It has been over a year since I last when into a club.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 16:57 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | Personally, I eat what I like. I dont care if its fatty or not. As long as its tasty. As long as you dont gorge yourself on any food you eat, work out sufficently, everything will be fine.
The whole organic food thing is a total rip off and is just a way for the food companies to charge more for their product. Well, according to the article I read in readers digest. According to the study they did in conjunction with a university, organic food is no better than regular food. Yet its more expensive.
Anyway, as long as you work out (as in cardio, not lifting weights, that doesnt burn fat), you can eat what you want and you'll be fine. You might die at 85 instead of 90 but really, is that a big deal? |
According to the Canada food guide organic makes no difference. Except it does have worms and more bugs in it.
I think weights do burn fat? Cardio is the best tho for fat buring but your heart rate does increase with weight lifting so I think it burns fat as well. Plus it makes you defined and sleek underneath when your body fat % drops.
The food guide is somewhat controled by the food industry so you do have to use your own judgment. The food guide said something about not eating red meat and the meat industry jumped on them. They changed it to eat less read meat or something like that. The food industry is quite powerfull. Remember Opera when she said red meat is bad. Some division of the cattle industry sued her.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 19:43 Post subject: |
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All activity uses calories, therefore all acitivity has the potential to burn fat, the concept is that if you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. This can be done by sitting on your couch, all day everyday, you would not be fit and you would be eating very little but it can be done.
Cardio, as it's called burns the most calories in the shortest amount of time. This is why it is so popular amongst people especially women. The problem with Cardio is that it burns a lot of calories only when you do it.
Weights, burns fewer calories while doing the motions compared to cardio, but resistance training improves muscular size, density, and efficiency. A larger muscle at rest will burn more calories than a smaller muscle at rest, this means you burn more calories if you weight lift even after you've stopped for the day.
Hence why both aspects of training are important to ones overall health.
Tomorrow's lesson, stretching and flexibility. (just kidding.)
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 20:00 Post subject: |
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Basically what I said, Martian 
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 22:18 Post subject: |
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Fatgirls are adorable. But not fat like that picture on the top of this thread. That is gross!
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 05:26 Post subject: |
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| Martian123 wrote: | All activity uses calories, therefore all acitivity has the potential to burn fat, the concept is that if you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. This can be done by sitting on your couch, all day everyday, you would not be fit and you would be eating very little but it can be done.
Cardio, as it's called burns the most calories in the shortest amount of time. This is why it is so popular amongst people especially women. The problem with Cardio is that it burns a lot of calories only when you do it.
Weights, burns fewer calories while doing the motions compared to cardio, but resistance training improves muscular size, density, and efficiency. A larger muscle at rest will burn more calories than a smaller muscle at rest, this means you burn more calories if you weight lift even after you've stopped for the day.
Hence why both aspects of training are important to ones overall health.
Tomorrow's lesson, stretching and flexibility. (just kidding.) |
Also, keep in mind there are MANY types of cardio. The very best thing to do to burn calories is to keep your heart rate at roughly 130-140 and not do it any longer than an hour and 15 minutes. If your heart rate passes that it stops burning fat and begins burning other fuels in your system. If this means just walking comfortably, then so be it. If you do it long enough, you should be covered in a thin layer of sweat. Also, exceeding that amount of time begins to burn muscle mass, instead of stored fat, which actually defeats the purpose behind weight loss.
Muscle strength is actually not nearly as important to your physical health as it is to appearance. The fact is that the only muscle in your body that really determines your health is your heart (I suppose if you're frail, thats untrue, but for the 99% of the population that isn't...). The healthier your heart is (more efficient) the less it has to pump to push the blood through your system, and thus it beats less. The less it beats, the longer you live and the healthier you are.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 06:19 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | | Martian123 wrote: | All activity uses calories, therefore all acitivity has the potential to burn fat, the concept is that if you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. This can be done by sitting on your couch, all day everyday, you would not be fit and you would be eating very little but it can be done.
Cardio, as it's called burns the most calories in the shortest amount of time. This is why it is so popular amongst people especially women. The problem with Cardio is that it burns a lot of calories only when you do it.
Weights, burns fewer calories while doing the motions compared to cardio, but resistance training improves muscular size, density, and efficiency. A larger muscle at rest will burn more calories than a smaller muscle at rest, this means you burn more calories if you weight lift even after you've stopped for the day.
Hence why both aspects of training are important to ones overall health.
Tomorrow's lesson, stretching and flexibility. (just kidding.) |
Also, keep in mind there are MANY types of cardio. The very best thing to do to burn calories is to keep your heart rate at roughly 130-140 and not do it any longer than an hour and 15 minutes. If your heart rate passes that it stops burning fat and begins burning other fuels in your system. If this means just walking comfortably, then so be it. If you do it long enough, you should be covered in a thin layer of sweat. Also, exceeding that amount of time begins to burn muscle mass, instead of stored fat, which actually defeats the purpose behind weight loss.
Muscle strength is actually not nearly as important to your physical health as it is to appearance. The fact is that the only muscle in your body that really determines your health is your heart (I suppose if you're frail, thats untrue, but for the 99% of the population that isn't...). The healthier your heart is (more efficient) the less it has to pump to push the blood through your system, and thus it beats less. The less it beats, the longer you live and the healthier you are. |
I focus more on the cardio and endurance rather than the fat burn so I am around 175 b/p/m. I just know that weight just naturally comes off if I do it that way. After I stop my heart rate goes back to almost normal within something like 3 mins. I feel like I am lying to myself and lazy if I was around 140. It isn't good enough. I can afford to lose the muscle mass.
I like this.
| Quote: | | The fact is that the only muscle in your body that really determines your health is your heart |
I saw this show on compulsive overeaters. They get so much fat on the inside of their chest cavity that the pressure is dangerously high on the heart. Not to meantion they can't bump blood to parts of their body. It was really sad. They became euphoric around food and just had to eat it. They were like drug addicts.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 06:22 Post subject: |
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Pistol, of course you burn some fat when you're higher in the BP and it actually works on your heart the most, however, the fat loss doesn't happen nearly as effectively. If you're in decent to great shape already, it doesn't really apply, but for people who are overweight (like myself, still trying though!), it feels like you're even MORE lazy. Its hard to force yourself to stay at a lower BP because you see people around you sweating buckets. I shaved 10lbs off in a week HEALTHILY I might add doing this, two a days though.
Just keep it in mind for after christmas when you toss on those extra 10lbs or whatever, its really easy to shave off if you do it right
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 07:01 Post subject: |
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Phluxed is referring to a target heart rate which is different depending on physical fitness level and age (among other factors.)
This is actually contested, the idea is that it is some form of "fat burning zone" so let's assume that it is 100% confirmed. And going above that like Pistol stated is not in that zone. When pistol is burning her anaerobic stores where do you think it would be replinished from? well fact is unless she starts eating right away, it will be replenished via the body burning fat. end result is that it's the same. The human body needs energy, it gets it from eating or fat stores, at best the "target zone" allows someone to workout longer, but then time becomes a factor.
Muscle strength becomes extremely important with age, resistance training also maintains bone density. Strength training also works your heart, and a limited amount of cardio. If you see someone who truly trains you see them sweating and panting, their heart rate rises quite a bit as well.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 07:10 Post subject: |
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Phluxed
10 lb in a week is impossible. Maybe my ideology is flawed but I use the calorie method here as an example.
3500 calories = 1 lb
That means you have to have calorie-deficit of 35,000 calories with in a week.
Lets just say you need 2500 (average male) calories daily. 17,500/week so even if you ate nothing you would still have to burn off 17,500/week or 2500/day.
On the eliptical machine you burn about 100 calories every 10 minutes. That is like 4 hours.
If you were do step on the scale you might be 10 lb lighter but it wouldn't be all fat. If you you pack on a lot of water and your intestine is packed full of food and shit. 5 lbs of that would be stuff in your intestine. Exercise works your stomach muscles which actully helps move the food through. You drink more water when you work out which actually helps get rid with water retention.
A lot of people actually put on weight when they start to lose excerse because they gain muscle which is heavier that fat.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 07:15 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | Phluxed
10 lb in a week is impossible. Maybe my ideology is flawed but I use the calorie method here as an example.
3500 calories = 1 lb
That means you have to have calorie-deficit of 35,000 calories with in a week.
Lets just say you need 2500 (average male) calories daily. 17,500/week so even if you ate nothing you would still have to burn off 17,500/week or 2500/day.
On the eliptical machine you burn about 100 calories every 10 minutes. That is like 4 hours.
If you were do step on the scale you might be 10 lb lighter but it wouldn't be all fat. If you you pack on a lot of water and your intestine is packed full of food and shit. 5 lbs of that would be stuff in your intestine. Exercise works your stomach muscles which actully helps move the food through. You drink more water when you work out which actually helps get rid with water retention.
A lot of people actually put on weight when they start to lose excerse because they gain muscle which is heavier that fat. |
Okay, so it was waterweight, SO WHAT |
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 07:51 Post subject: |
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A realistic goal would be one pound per week, that is 500 calories depleted or less consumed per day, (7X500)
I don't think the issue should be the type of weight, so long as you're not losing muscle mass it shouldn't matter, eventually fat will come off. You must be doing something write phluxed.
Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider.
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In all your remembering, remember that you have choices
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 07:59 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | Phluxed
10 lb in a week is impossible. Maybe my ideology is flawed but I use the calorie method here as an example.
3500 calories = 1 lb
That means you have to have calorie-deficit of 35,000 calories with in a week.
Lets just say you need 2500 (average male) calories daily. 17,500/week so even if you ate nothing you would still have to burn off 17,500/week or 2500/day.
On the eliptical machine you burn about 100 calories every 10 minutes. That is like 4 hours.
If you were do step on the scale you might be 10 lb lighter but it wouldn't be all fat. If you you pack on a lot of water and your intestine is packed full of food and shit. 5 lbs of that would be stuff in your intestine. Exercise works your stomach muscles which actully helps move the food through. You drink more water when you work out which actually helps get rid with water retention.
A lot of people actually put on weight when they start to lose excerse because they gain muscle which is heavier that fat. |
Okay, so it was waterweight, SO WHAT |
It isn't true weight loss but it such a huge step in the right direction. After you drop that 10 lb then you can start tracking actual weight loss. I go by size rather that weight. I don't have a scale in the house and scales depress the hell outta me. It is never good enough.
Fitness world uses "We can make you lose 5-10 lb the first in the week" line to snare people into buying memberships. It is misleading industry bullshit.
I was just told my math on the eliptical way off.
@mart
My doctor told me 1-2 lb a week as well
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 08:01 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | Phluxed wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | Phluxed
10 lb in a week is impossible. Maybe my ideology is flawed but I use the calorie method here as an example.
3500 calories = 1 lb
That means you have to have calorie-deficit of 35,000 calories with in a week.
Lets just say you need 2500 (average male) calories daily. 17,500/week so even if you ate nothing you would still have to burn off 17,500/week or 2500/day.
On the eliptical machine you burn about 100 calories every 10 minutes. That is like 4 hours.
If you were do step on the scale you might be 10 lb lighter but it wouldn't be all fat. If you you pack on a lot of water and your intestine is packed full of food and shit. 5 lbs of that would be stuff in your intestine. Exercise works your stomach muscles which actully helps move the food through. You drink more water when you work out which actually helps get rid with water retention.
A lot of people actually put on weight when they start to lose excerse because they gain muscle which is heavier that fat. |
Okay, so it was waterweight, SO WHAT |
It isn't true weight loss but it such a huge step in the right direction. After you drop that 10 lb then you can start tracking actual weight loss. I go by size rather that weight. I don't have a scale in the house and scales depress the hell outta me. It is never good enough.
Fitness world uses "We can make you lose 5-10 lb the first in the week" line to snare people into buying memberships. It is misleading industry bullshit.
I was just told my math on the eliptical way off. |
Oh I hear you completely. As I've said in another post though, I have dropped roughly 40lbs now (just weighed myself) and I've done it healthy as to keep it off.
I'm working on getting my fitness level way up, for a few reasons. Being out of breath after sex really made me pissed off, I couldnt play sports with friends, I hated having to drive everywhere. I do two a days twice a week again, 3 other days 1 time, and I also go for walks to my friends house and such. The weight is slowly but surely coming off. When I have more energy, I'll post some before and after pics of my face. You can really see the difference. |
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 10:21 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 11:01 Post subject: |
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30 is a lot. Most people have no idea of what kind of will power it takes. Congrats
You lose weight and it totally makes your eyes look bigger and who doesn't look better without a double chin.
maxie That picture of monster actress is amazing. Bridge Jones diary girl has a big change too.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 14:04 Post subject: |
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I've since shaven off the scruff |
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 23:16 Post subject: |
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Your first picture looks good but the second looks even better. You are smiling so maybe that makes a difference. My fat pict was a huge difference too.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2008 23:41 Post subject: |
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What pistolshrimp said, although I would lose the moustache... Ladies love a clean shave! Maybe a little stubble along the jaw but that's it.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jul 2008 01:17 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | | I've since shaven off the scruff |
 I shaved it off the other day and I've been outside getting some rays...
PS thanks pistol, I'm no GQ model, but I know I'm at least decent lookin' |
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