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 Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 10:28 Post subject: DirectX 11 to get announced this month |
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| Quote: | Launch in late 2009
Microsoft will start talking about DirectX 11 in less than two weeks. Sources have confirmed that Microsoft game technology conference, previously known as Meltdown and now renamed to Gamefest 2008, will be the place where Microsoft plans to officially announce DirectX 11.
This conference takes place on the 22 and 23 June in Seattle, Washington and it will set you back $550 if you register online. You can find some more details about the conference here.
The big feature of DirectX 11 is Tessellation/Displacement while we also heard that Multithreaded Rendering and Compute Shaders are part of it. DirectX 11 also brings Shader model 5.0 but we don’t know many details about it.
It looks like DirectX 11 will stick to rasterization as there is no any mentioning of Ray tracing support.
Nvidia will also talk about DirectX 11 at its Nvision event / conference in late August 2008. |
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Nvidia won’t ever do DirectX 10.1
| Quote: | They will go for DirectX 11
The eternal question whether Nvidia will go for DirectX 10.1 with its next generation of chips is answered. It won’t and it never will. Nvidia will skip ATI’s DirectX 10.1 and plans to move to DirectX 11.
DirectX 11 is scheduled for next year and this is the one that Nvidia wants to focus on. Nvidia has TWIMTBP and this gives them lot of close friendships with developers and publishers and most of them won’t ever touch DirectX 10.1 simply as Nvidia doesn’t supports it.
55nm Geforce GTX 280 is certainly DirectX 10 only while the real next generation will go for DirectX 11. This chapter is finally closed but we are sure that this won’t be enough to stop all the rumours.
Naturally next generation ATI, lets call it R8x0 will also support DirectX 11 as this is the way to go in 2009, pre Windows 7 times. |
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 11:36 Post subject: |
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I have to admit, DirectX 9 is still where it is at.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 12:01 Post subject: |
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Shame DX10 was never used properly. Everyone thinks DX10 is just to make shadows look a bit better, or to make particles' edges soft. Not one game has used the geometry shader, no game has used the real SM4.0 enhancements. All current DX10 games are quick, 10 minute job, DX9->DX10 conversions, and it's a shame.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 12:26 Post subject: |
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Awesome. How better to encourage devs and public alike to get behind a (practically) brand new graphics API by.....ANNOUNCING A NEW ONE....thereby completing obsoleting the current one in the process a year ahead of schedule! Brilliant!
Man M$ truely is composed of a bunch of fucktards at the moment. I try and try and try to give them the benefit of the doubt, but their actions leave no room for excuse. They just keep on fucking up....their massive fumbling with Vista....then just 'giving up' on it altogether instead of fixing by making Yet Another competing/difficult to support version of the windows platform in "Windows 7"....their pr blitz 'games for windows' IE shitty-ass cover for selling us windows LIVE!....other pr jokes like pledging support for pc gaming while admitting they don't want pc games to outsell 360 version....blah blah blah.
Anyways, hopefully their campaign to destroy pc gaming from within by means of outright stupidity is foiled by hardworking devs and hardware vendors.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 12:35 Post subject: |
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how much shit can one put in a post  
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 13:13 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Shame DX10 was never used properly. Everyone thinks DX10 is just to make shadows look a bit better, or to make particles' edges soft. Not one game has used the geometry shader, no game has used the real SM4.0 enhancements. All current DX10 games are quick, 10 minute job, DX9->DX10 conversions, and it's a shame. |
yeah true. the reason is mostly the consoles I believe, as well as slow adoption of windows vista.
the devs want to reach a large audience so they develop either with a dx9 console in mind or with the majority of pc gamers in mind which are still on xp and dx9.
I think microsoft doesn't really care about dx10 or they would have made some of their devs create games that were built from the ground up for dx10.#
I'm sure if there was an awesome game that everyone wants to play and it's best on DX10 then that would have made many people switch to vista and dx10 which would allow other developers to use dx10 more.
Crysis could have been such a game but the few nice dx10 features that it has slow it down too much for it to carry any value.
what good is object motion blur if the game doesn't run properly on anything but some highend 2000$ sli system with it enabled...
anyway, the next generation of gaming consoles will be using DX11 for sure, so I'm expecting DX11 to do a lot better than DX10.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 13:23 Post subject: |
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and the DX10.1 issue ....
they shot themself in the foot with only applying it to Vista in the first place, secondly companies arent going to spend alot of time and money on something consoles cant use(shame everything has to be crossplatform now) and only people with Vista + DX10 card thats also strong enough to play at those high settings.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 13:28 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | I think microsoft doesn't really care about dx10 or they would have made some of their devs create games that were built from the ground up for dx10.#
I'm sure if there was an awesome game that everyone wants to play and it's best on DX10 then that would have made many people switch to vista and dx10 which would allow other developers to use dx10 more. |
Oh, I am sure they do care, but they got their head so far up their ass to know where things are headed, ie.:
- The Vista failure
- DX10 Vista exclusive
- They support the console market, not the PC, so what is DX10 good for when it has no support even from its creator?
- One awesome game (I am just going to say Alan Wake here) would by far not be enough for people to switch to a failure of an OS
Because of all that, developers have been more than negligent to switch to DX10. Unlike DX9, which gained widespread support very fast, DX10 hasn't - again for the aforementioned reasons. So like rampart said, DX9 is obviously still where it's at.
I can only hope that Microsoft learns from the mistakes (hardy-har-har) and add DX11 support to XP as well. |
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 13:45 Post subject: |
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For me personally i dont really care about graphics, there is bad grahpics and bad graphic capabilities aka the actual engine, you can have a good looking model with half the polygons if done well, with less high res textures, meaning even if a game is 5 years old, it can still look good. Same goes for super nintendo games, its all about the artist making the best of what he has.
Also DX9 hasnt seen the end yet, by far, COD4 looks really good in DX9.
DX10.. well i dont know the details of what makes it so good, but i see "next gen" graphics going only one way lately, and thats light effects, to the point where its really annoying, bloom is overdone, depth of field effects , blur effects, im all for realism but its overdone and light effects kill performance, try turning off shadows in your game along with light effects, runs so much better.Prime example being the new STALKER expansion pack.
Something else i wanted to mention...making games is getting very expensive and time intensive to the point where many dont have the quality in artists anymore to make such a graphicly advanced game, if they do find/have them its getting very expensive, and it still takes alot of time.
Its the only thing in my opinion that might kill PC Gaming, where anything not looking as good as crysis will be a turn off to people, having the actual game being neglected too.
The Nintendo DS proves that 2D games still work and can be very fun, sadly i cant imagine anyone still buying a 2D game on PC, while my personal favorites of all times are 75% made out of 2D games which isnt about nostalgia cause i still play most of them through emulator or dosbox.
I went way offtopic..... 
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 15:22 Post subject: |
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"Next generation" is such a retarded phrase. Whenever I hear it, I don't know whether to  at it or to .
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 15:56 Post subject: |
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The funny (annoying?) thing is when people still call PS3 and X360 "next-gen".
They are CURRENT generation consoles.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 15:59 Post subject: |
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| _SiN_ wrote: | The funny (annoying?) thing is when people still call PS3 and X360 "next-gen".
They are CURRENT generation consoles. |
Its a selling tactic (obviously). I think the best name is for them is third generation consoles. Granted, there have been many eras, but I'd still say generation 3. |
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 16:47 Post subject: |
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I have a sad feeling it will be as overrated as dx10
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 16:50 Post subject: |
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Question. Will this not be implemented until Windows7 ?, or...that's what I understood reading that article. If so, we will not really see it in action until early 2010 or even later as that will be the rough launch time for W7.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 17:00 Post subject: |
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I believe it will come before W7. W7 is slated for late 2010 or later, while the first cards to support this technology are slated for summer 2010 (as far as I know both nV and AMD).
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2008 17:03 Post subject: |
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And unless W7 takes less memory and is better performance at the same time ill stick with XP even if that means no DX10/11.
Since W7 is "modular" i might be able to leave out all the networking crap ( if you ever worked with windows server you realize how they made XP so bloated )
Doesnt microsoft realize i want an operating system, not a 487 in 1 software package forced down my throat ?
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jul 2008 10:58 Post subject: |
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Just do a reinstall, Nui. It fixes such problems.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jul 2008 11:04 Post subject: |
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| Nui wrote: | | Nah, being an administrator does not help with that. My friend is not able to share a whole partition. And easy sharing was removed as well, it seems. Maybe i broke something, but i have to add guests to the permissions before anyone sees my folder, which is just a waste of my time. Im in a lan void of any W-LAN, i kinda know who is able to connect to me |
Lmao, those policies you refer to are there from the NT4 days. If you have no idea what you're doing, don't touch it. |
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jul 2008 17:17 Post subject: |
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| AmiKaze wrote: | | Just do a reinstall, Nui. It fixes such problems. |
Not a real problem, so i wont, yet. Otherwise this vista still runs fine. Although the "hanging welcome screen" is back 
But you tried to help, i like that 
| LeoNatan wrote: | | Lmao, those policies you refer to are there from the NT4 days. If you have no idea what you're doing, don't touch it. |
Ok, first of all fuck you, ass.
Secondly, what do you want to tell me? That i should stop using my network because YOU think that i've got not clue? The method i described is the ONLY way i can share at the moment, period.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jul 2008 18:08 Post subject: |
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Hey don't insult me (you are the ass judging by the shit you've posted above ). I never said you shouldn't share, I said don't mess with the policies unless you know what you are doing, which clearly you don't. It's OK, normal users shouldn't have a clue anyway, it's for system administrators. Vista's (and Server 08's) sharing capabilities (altogether with the entire network stack is much more advanced than anything Windows 2000 and XP had to offer. You touched something in the policies which caused shit (you caused it by association  ), and now you blame Microsoft.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jul 2008 19:51 Post subject: |
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Oh dear, messed up your and Stefan posts... I'm sorry!
Did you enable the guest account? But at any rate, sharing for users without passwords is not enabled by default. This:
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I clicked on share
