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| chakdeindya wrote: | | A good way to go after piracy would be take action on the end users instead of the higher level distributors. Kinda like the RIAA/MPAA is doing against college kids and home users who download music/movies illegally. |
What RIAA/MPAA succeeds is only to scare a couple of american kids from downloading their stuff.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 00:39 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | maul_inc wrote: | Just wanna throw in my 2 cents... You know it's funny how protections on pc games make a big difference when it comes to deciding if one wants to buy or to copy. Take The Witcher, it's protected yes, but not by some über intrusive app, I started playing a copy of this game and soon found out that the game rocks! So... I went out and bought the collectors version simply because the game is great and I feel really good about supporting great development teams, especially new teams that shows the world that great quality is possible without enormous production costs AND without annoying protections.
Now I'm eagerly awating the release of Mass Effect by Bioware (One of the greatest game companies Imho), but yesterday I learnt that Mass Effect will be protected by some horrible protection ala Bioshock. So now I have gone from being a legal customer who want's to buy this great game, to a pirate just copying the game. Sad but true, but I simply don't want some fucked up protection which is likely to mess up the gameplay. |
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm the witcher, just got my copy a couple weeks ago  , it had a pretty nasty protection as far as scene shit went getting it out, but you wouldn't know it as it was near invisible, I think the only issue there was with it was the protection didn't like some SATA drives, which plays fine in mine. |
Well, it's true that Witcher was tages protected but I haven't really noticed any annoying stuff because of it, as I have used a mini image which works just fine. Hmm, when the enhanced update gets released I think I'm gonna play the game with the original disc in the drive just to see if I get a load of trouble running it the way it was meant to be.
Btw. It would pretty funny (and also scary) if my game experience change for the worse because I'm running it without cracks/mini images etc.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 02:02 Post subject: |
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well it obviously wont run worse because there fixing all the crappy loading times and optimizing it properly
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 02:22 Post subject: |
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| snop1050 wrote: | | well it obviously wont run worse because there fixing all the crappy loading times and optimizing it properly |
Well, for me it actually runs great with the 1.2 & 1.3 patch, but as said, that was with mini image.
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-=Cartoon=-
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 08:28 Post subject: |
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this is just getting retarded
now nvidia
geeeez
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 11:05 Post subject: |
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well............i don't buy games because they are expensive were i live.....payng 30\40\50E on a salary of 200E it's just................not me!!!!Playng games for about 10 years i say i ow the developers about 5000E!
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. 
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 16:41 Post subject: |
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| Marinou wrote: | | chakdeindya wrote: | | A good way to go after piracy would be take action on the end users instead of the higher level distributors. Kinda like the RIAA/MPAA is doing against college kids and home users who download music/movies illegally. |
What RIAA/MPAA succeeds is only to scare a couple of american kids from downloading their stuff. |
TorrentSpy Fined $110 Millions for Copyright Infringement
| Quote: | The battle against BitTorrent websites suspected of copyright infringement and distribution of pirated material reached another milestone yesterday when the movie
studios, represented by the MPAA, won the lawsuit against TorrentSpy. The legal dispute was started a long time ago when, just like many other BitTorrent services on the web, TorrentSpy was sued for copyright infringement, MPAA making serious efforts to shut down its servers and take the website offline. The lawsuit was filed in February 2006 and, after more than two years, TorrentSpy decided to close its servers.
"We have decided on our own, not due to any court order or agreement, to bring the Torrentspy.com search engine to an end and thus we permanently closed down worldwide on March 24, 2008," a notification published at that time on the main page of TorrentSpy explained the closure.
However, TorrentSpy officials said the shut down of their servers was not forced by the federal forces because they took the decision by their own to protect the users' privacy. Some time ago, an US court asked TorrentSpy to provide private details about the users accessing the service. In order to keep them safe, TorrentSpy banned the access of the US members who were the only ones forced to comply to the requirement.
Yesterday, a federal judge in Los Angeles fined TorrentSpy $110 million on behalf of the MPAA accusations of copyright infringement. Obviously, the MPAA sees the court ruling as an important step for the fight against copyright infringement services and explains that this is the perfect example of what other websites may get if they continue to provide their illegal services.
"This substantial money judgment sends a strong message about the illegality of these sites," said Dan Glickman, Chairman and CEO of the MPAA. "The demise of TorrentSpy is a clear victory for the studios and demonstrates that such pirate sites will not be allowed to continue to operate without facing relentless litigation by copyright holders." |
http://news.softpedia.com/news/TorrentSpy-Fined-110-Millions-for-Copyright-Infringement-85020.shtml
I thought this is the right place for this "news"
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 16:52 Post subject: |
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They have closed a lot of other sites as well such as the previous mega sites Suprnova and Lokitorrent but there's always other sites that take their places.
I guess the rules are stricter in the US than here as Pirate Bay has existed for years despite many legal threats.
(EDIT: Then there's the other services such as Usenet and FTP but Torrents and P2P in general have way more users than those.)
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Cohen
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 16:58 Post subject: |
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My view is 2d I know but I dont care.
I never buy games, DVD or music. I just dont see a point buying something I can get for free. I dont give a shit about the industries, Im sorry if that makes me an asshole but I just have better things to spend money on, specially when I can get this shit for free; If it doesnt hurt me then I dont give a crap. The rare occasion I buy a game is either:
1) multiplayer, even so I will try to aquire a cdkey from a friend first
2) the scene doesnt release it on 0day, im VERY impatient.
Games I have bought in the last 2 years was CNC3 for multi, Bioshock because I couldnt wait for scene rls anymore, and a new copy of Starcraft Broodwar cos I lost the CDKey I had.
I guess Im a black hat pirate.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 17:05 Post subject: |
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| strangera wrote: | | Marinou wrote: | | chakdeindya wrote: | | A good way to go after piracy would be take action on the end users instead of the higher level distributors. Kinda like the RIAA/MPAA is doing against college kids and home users who download music/movies illegally. |
What RIAA/MPAA succeeds is only to scare a couple of american kids from downloading their stuff. |
TorrentSpy Fined $110 Millions for Copyright Infringement.... |
We were talking about the end users which TorrentSpy is not.
P.S. I feel very privileged not to have been born in the US.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 17:12 Post subject: |
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Is PC Gaming dying?
Not in my life for sure. Hell if they would all just stop making games, then i would finally have no excuse to not create those i never get to create because im too busy playing the already created ones.
There are just too many people out there writing games for their own entertainment.. as long as this is true (and this will be true as long as PCs and software developers working on PCs exist), PC gaming will not die. The most that can happen is that big publishers take their money to consoles instead, and that PC games will stop being multi-million dollar investments.
A problem? Hardly.. as a matter of fact, rarely do i see a game that is worth playing today and i find myself ever so often playing games that are like 10 years old or even older. It does not take fancy graphics and movie quality music / sound effects to make a great game.
All it takes is the right idea and the right way to implement that idea.
As for piracy killing the PC gaming industry. Just take a look at Sins of a solar empire. How much copy protection does that game have again? Zero? Even so i think its selling rather well.
Publishers should wake up and realize that the PC gaming scene is not dying, its changing..
We dont need stupid DVDs, theres 20mbit internet connections for a reason.. hell i'll surely not go and buy a game if i can download it by the time i would dress up to go to the shop. Online distribution.. why isnt that a standard already? Why is it still news when a game gets available online as well?
Pretty much the same with the music and film industry as well. They try to push DVD and CD sales, when instead they should be focusing on creating an easy to use and well written online distribution system.
The world is (and will be) always changing. You can do one of two things: cry about the change and die in the process, or adept to it and live happily ever after.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 17:27 Post subject: |
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Pc gaming isn't dieing. Just lots of people making crap games.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 18:13 Post subject: |
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| chakdeindya wrote: | | A good way to go after piracy would be take action on the end users instead of the higher level distributors. Kinda like the RIAA/MPAA is doing against college kids and home users who download music/movies illegally. |
yes, because that has a lot of effect.... How many end users are there? And i keep repeating, 90% of the downloaders are not eating revenue away because they wouldnt have bought the game anyway. Tackling end users is useless. I mean, companies are always whining about $$$. it costs way too much to catch small end users...
the only reason they do it, is to scare people, and obviously it is not working...
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| Posted: Thu, 8th May 2008 19:14 Post subject: |
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| watergem wrote: | My view is 2d I know but I dont care.
I never buy games, DVD or music. I just dont see a point buying something I can get for free. I dont give a shit about the industries, Im sorry if that makes me an asshole but I just have better things to spend money on, specially when I can get this shit for free; If it doesnt hurt me then I dont give a crap. The rare occasion I buy a game is either:
1) multiplayer, even so I will try to aquire a cdkey from a friend first
2) the scene doesnt release it on 0day, im VERY impatient.
Games I have bought in the last 2 years was CNC3 for multi, Bioshock because I couldnt wait for scene rls anymore, and a new copy of Starcraft Broodwar cos I lost the CDKey I had.
I guess Im a black hat pirate. |
you're stupid. that's what you are.
you better start appreciating what you have in your life, because you can lose everything.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008 10:34 Post subject: |
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| watergem wrote: | My view is 2d I know but I dont care.
I never buy games, DVD or music. I just dont see a point buying something I can get for free. I dont give a shit about the industries, Im sorry if that makes me an asshole but I just have better things to spend money on, specially when I can get this shit for free; If it doesnt hurt me then I dont give a crap. The rare occasion I buy a game is either:
1) multiplayer, even so I will try to aquire a cdkey from a friend first
2) the scene doesnt release it on 0day, im VERY impatient.
Games I have bought in the last 2 years was CNC3 for multi, Bioshock because I couldnt wait for scene rls anymore, and a new copy of Starcraft Broodwar cos I lost the CDKey I had.
I guess Im a black hat pirate. |
I'd suspect that would mostly apply to a large majority of people on here. Just most people don't have the balls or honesty to say it outright. Kudos to you.
All this talk of because of protection, because of half arsed developers etc is nothing more than an excuse. They just tell themselves it enough times to start believing it themselves.
I'd basically be the same as you. I wouldn't say I don't care about the industries but. I just don't care enough to change my ways other than the occasional DVD / CD.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008 12:09 Post subject: |
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PC gaming isn't dying, it is changing and a lot of the big guys don't want to or have missed the boat and are now crying to their mommies about their lost money.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/online-subscriptions-exceed-1-billion-a-year-says-npd
| Quote: | The NPD Group has released data indicating that the value of US online game subscriptions exceeds USD 1 billion annually.
This finding was based on data gathered between October 2007 and March 2008. The NPD also said that 11 million people subscribe to online games each month.
"Now that NPD can estimate the value of the subscription market, it's clear that there is a sizable chunk of revenue being generated by PC gaming beyond what is reflected in retail sales," said NPD analyst Anita Frazier. |
Yes, there are pirates, allways have been and allways will be there, but I truly believe that a lot of people will pay for games if they get their money's worth, be it a good ünbugged" game or a good online experience (as the article shows).
The last games I bought were bioshock, COD and the CoH games, since then, no game has interested me enough to buy it. Assasins creed, played two (pirated) levels, haven't touched since. FFoW, same story, C&C3? pff woudl have been a waste of money, now just a small waste of time. And crysis? Sure it looked nice, but once the grand vistas were traded in for a junglecamp, it was the same ol' shit again...
Maybe I'm getting to old for this stuff, but most recent games are not even worth pirating anymore, let alone spending my cash. I did spend cash on the mentioned games though, and not to forget a LOT of cash on WOW, because I felt it was worth it (and still feel that way), either or both for gameplay, online experience or in bioshocks case the looks of the game (which was for me also combined with gameplay)
Oh, and is the PC might die, guess were the "scene" will move to next (or increase their efforts even more)
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| Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008 12:23 Post subject: |
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| EwarWoo1 wrote: |
I'd suspect that would mostly apply to a large majority of people on here. Just most people don't have the balls or honesty to say it outright. Kudos to you.
All this talk of because of protection, because of half arsed developers etc is nothing more than an excuse. They just tell themselves it enough times to start believing it themselves.
I'd basically be the same as you. I wouldn't say I don't care about the industries but. I just don't care enough to change my ways other than the occasional DVD / CD. |
exactly what im getting at. I fucking gurantee, Id put money on 99% of the users here are the same as me but just dont say shit.
I know for a fact Syco does buy his games if he likes them, but other than that I really doubt half the people who claim they do actually do it.
I know by what im gonna say in the next paragraph will probably make a LOT of people dislike me even more than perhaps normal because im one of the only few here who doesnt ass lick mods and I always say what I fucking think! but here goes..
You have to be pretty fucking stupid and/OR pretentious as fuck to think you deserve respect or pretty much fuck all respect for buying software in any format when you can get it for free. If you dont take advantage of free shit in life your a fucking spacker. Sorry but I will never see the point in it, its like stealing a jacket from a shop, wearing it for a week to see if you like it then going back to the shop and buying one.
The other flip (the pretentious side) is thinking that you are some kind of key part of the 'industry' which developers or artists need to meet your standards to get your money  I know that is sort of the idea in the first place (to appeal to audience) but some people seriously fucking milk it, acting as if they have some kind of right to play the game first to see if they approve blablabla then give there money. Stop being a cunt, if you got something for free, dont go out and pay for it, you are being a mug.
2 cents /rant
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| Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008 12:32 Post subject: |
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i totally agree with you gem.
the only reason i do buy games, to be honest, is for the book/manual and having the original box and stuff. like a collection. all the games i have (for any platform) are all sick ass games and I like having the original packaging. sounds dumb, but its what i prefer and i can afford it you know?
And, on rare occasions i will buy a game to support the devs. GTA or MGS is a good example of that. Sure it will sell well anyway, but fuck, those games (for me atleast) you gotta have the book and the packaging and stuff.
Know what i mean?
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| Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008 18:36 Post subject: |
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| the_stranger wrote: |
Maybe I'm getting to old for this stuff, but most recent games are not even worth pirating anymore, let alone spending my cash. |
I agree. I rarely see a game released these days that seems to be worth the 15 minute download to check it out. Most games I buy are from small, independent companies that are still creative and put original ideas into their games (for example Mount & Blade or Depths of Peril).
It's the same as the music industry, they just keep releaseing crap aimed at 13 year olds with ADD, and wonder why they're not making much money.
-Argwaan
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