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nouseforaname
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 Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2008 20:49 Post subject: |
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Thats religion for you, ignoring logic in favor of fantasy.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2008 22:27 Post subject: |
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I've never liked the idea of answering to somebody who doesn't answer to me.
every civilisation that has ever been has had a god(s). every civilisation that has ever been has never witnessed a god. their reasoning in not concrete, they answer in riddles and say that this is evidence enough.
I laughed once, seen a program about these maths boffs and there was this 1 guy that was devout catholic. he said that he didnt believe god created the earth, there had to be some scientific explanation, but that god did exist and could never not be catholic. WTF!?
BS. no god exists. stop trying to justify life using religion
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008 03:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008 03:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008 04:42 Post subject: |
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No thank you, this one strayed away from the mindless flock of sheep, if there's one I believe in, that is myself.
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javlar
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 03:18 Post subject: |
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Meh, being religious sort of grows on you during the years i think. There arent alot of devout 15-40 year olds, but as you start getting closer to that finishing line you start trying to cling on to something. There are exceptions ofc.
For the record im a strictly devout atheist and it'll be a cold day in hell (lul) when i acknowledge any sort of deity.
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 03:36 Post subject: |
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I don't believe in a god. As long as you live + keeping those ethics (written down in the bible) in mind it doesnt matter what you believe in. The bible and any other religious book is meant to be a guideline. The only problem with that guideline is that 'other people' who are powerhungry try to change these guidelines for their own benefi and reap the rewards in the process. (money, power etc)
Just imagine an almost barbaric society (romans and their conquered lands) and one guy helping others in need, even risking his own life in the process.
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 04:56 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Thats religion for you, ignoring logic in favor of fantasy. |
That is so true, but sometimes, for some people thier fantasy all they have to go on. That is why so many people turn to religion, or drugs, or alcohol. OR so many weird ass habits.
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 05:26 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | Thats religion for you, ignoring logic in favor of fantasy. |
That is so true, but sometimes, for some people thier fantasy all they have to go on. That is why so many people turn to religion, or drugs, or alcohol. OR so many weird ass habits. |
Well it's the human condition I guess, we always dream of having the impossible. It's just some people are so lacking in self awareness they don't realise that their belief in religion isn't based on facts or logic that support the religions creed. But is certainly partially fueled by the age old human fantasy of immortality. I think almost every major religion is based around the concept that there is life after death.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 07:31 Post subject: |
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Humans believe what we are taught, right or wrong, that is what we believe.
Faith is allow's someone to not be alone during their struggles, and hope.
Logic while extremely useful is also not perfect.
Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider.
To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world.
In all your remembering, remember that you have choices
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 03:03 Post subject: |
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When you take magic mushrooms you might think god is standing next to you.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 19:55 Post subject: |
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| TheGame110011001 wrote: | | When you take magic mushrooms you might think god is standing next to you. |
or that you're getting chased down the street by death. And lamposts.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008 17:45 Post subject: |
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I don't see the sense in looking to a book or other people for answers about things that cannot be proven empirically yet, personally. I think Jefferson put it best when he wrote ..
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."~-Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008 18:33 Post subject: |
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| TheGame110011001 wrote: | | When you take magic mushrooms you might think god is standing next to you. |
Where do you think the majority of 'spiritual visions' have come from throughout history. The majority were probably due to the unwitting ingestion of psychoactive substances. We all know what would happen to a so called prophet today.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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ChinUp
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008 19:53 Post subject: |
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I dont see the problem with believing in a higher power.
As long as you dont commit atrocities in its names then I dont see the problem. If faith gives people hope and peace and what not, why mock them?
I do agree, alot of the mainstream religions are fucked ie war, hatred etc
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2008 05:36 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | I dont see the problem with believing in a higher power.
As long as you dont commit atrocities in its names then I dont see the problem. If faith gives people hope and peace and what not, why mock them?
I do agree, alot of the mainstream religions are fucked ie war, hatred etc |
I agree with you there. Altho I don't think it is all that much religion, it is more about culture that brings about wars. In all three religions, Christian, Jewish, and Islam killing is a sin but yet all 3 do it/have done it in the name of God.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2008 05:43 Post subject: |
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i dont believe in god or an afterlife.
if i was going to worship anyone it would probably be nostradamus , his book is far better than the bible
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 22:39 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | I dont see the problem with believing in a higher power.
As long as you dont commit atrocities in its names then I dont see the problem. If faith gives people hope and peace and what not, why mock them?
I do agree, alot of the mainstream religions are fucked ie war, hatred etc |
I agree with you there. Altho I don't think it is all that much religion, it is more about culture that brings about wars. In all three religions, Christian, Jewish, and Islam killing is a sin but yet all 3 do it/have done it in the name of God. |
I agree, there are alot of contributing factors when it comes to war.
But religion does play a part. Evangelical Christians are the same as fanatical muslims imo.
And I think thats what the war on terrorism is about...aside from oil and power.
Its sad that crusades are still happening in this day and age. And thats what the war on terrorism is imo, a crusade against those who wont conform to the will of others.
If a country wants to impose certain laws, let them. Who are we, as outsiders, to interfere. All countries have had there moments where their beliefs were tested and changed accordingly.
In relation to the mideast, a fundamental mindset change has to take place before the wars will stop. Everyone hates everyone because of shit that happened hundreds of years ago.
Even the US and Canada had problems/war. Yet we worked it out and now have become the best of friends.
I dont see why this cant happen all over the world. I dont understand why people cant accept that others may have a different look or opinion about something.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Apr 2008 23:07 Post subject: |
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| skidrow wrote: | i don't believe in God.
I kinda believe in recarnation or afterlife, but not in god.
God=religion=war.
i got many more reason like this. But i don't wanna name them. |
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2008 09:37 Post subject: |
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I think the biggest mistake people make is to presume religion is derived from imperial data rather than being simply creative speculation upon that which we curently cannot nail down scientifically.
@ its root religion = connect, God = invoke.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2008 17:38 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | I think the biggest mistake people make is to presume religion is derived from imperial data rather than being simply creative speculation upon that which we curently cannot nail down scientifically.
@ its root religion = connect, God = invoke. |
while i agree, you dont believe in some sort of a supreme being?
For all we know (I know this is going to sound out there but go with me on this), our 'creators' or rather those who have influenced our development could very well be aliens.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it turned out that earth was colonized by a more advanced civilization and thats where all these stories about a prophet/son of god/saviour etc came from
Perhaps a planet on the brink of destruction fashioned us closely to their image and then either let us be with free will or died off.
Im just throwing out ideas here. Im always interested in what people think about this sorta thing. |
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2008 19:04 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | I think the biggest mistake people make is to presume religion is derived from imperial data rather than being simply creative speculation upon that which we curently cannot nail down scientifically.
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I think almost anyone who even considers the nature of religion for a minute or two would recognize that.
The whole point of religion is it's basis on faith rather then evidence.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Apr 2008 21:51 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | ChinUp wrote: | I think the biggest mistake people make is to presume religion is derived from imperial data rather than being simply creative speculation upon that which we curently cannot nail down scientifically.
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I think almost anyone who even considers the nature of religion for a minute or two would recognize that.
The whole point of religion is it's basis on faith rather then evidence. |
thats what make it so dangerous. once there are rules and doctrine involved it becomes dangerous. when ppl start believing in whatever religion as scientific proof.
as an example, my friend is a born again christian. when the subject of religion comes up he automatically says i dont believe in God because i dont believe in Christ. And then when i try to point out the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever of Christ he instantly refers to the bible as being historical and scientific fact.
Hence i rarely discuss religion with him because he cant comprehend the fact that Christ is a myth, not a historical figure |
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Apr 2008 00:52 Post subject: |
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SycoShaman Imo Christ is a mask like the one in my ava, an idea. A good idea when its not used to prop up a authoritarian mode of addressing life where people hand over their liberty to think & become simply followers of the masters, land lords will.
O & if you were said aliens when would you intervene personally ? While a comet threatens or before ?
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Apr 2008 01:03 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | SycoShaman Imo Christ is a mask like the one in my ava, an idea. A good idea when its not used to prop up a authoritarian mode of addressing life where people hand over their liberty to think & become simply followers of the masters, land lords will.
O & if you were said aliens when would you intervene personally ? While a comet threatens or before ? |
I agree with the christ thing. it can be a good idea to believe in but it has been corrupted so much and because ppl believe its fact rather than myth
As for the second question, im not sure what your asking dude.
If im reading it right, i would intervene before. There's letting a culture develop on its own and then there is allowing mass extinction. If i were say the aliens, i wouldnt allow it to happen, if i could stop it. |
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