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PrideLess
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Got this via mail :
In the 2007, the 'artist' Guillermo Vargas Habacuc, took a dog from the street, he tied him to a rope in an art gallery, starving him to death.
For several days, the 'artist' and the visitors of the exhibition have watched emotionless the shameful 'masterpiece' based on the dog's agony, until eventually he died.
But this is not all... the prestigious Visual Arts Biennial of the Central American decided that the 'installation' was actually art, so that Guillermo Vargas Habacuc has been invited to repeat his cruel action for the biennial of 2008.
I am not asking you to sign a petition, but since it was in mail, i pasted it here anyway.
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Let's STOP HIM!!!!!
Click on the folowing link :
<http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition.html>
or go straight to the petition page here <http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition-sign.html>
Sign the petition to stop him to do it again.
It's free of charge, there is no need to register, and it will only take 1 minute to save the life of an innocent creature.
Please also send this e-mail to as many contact as you can... Let's stop him!!!
If you want to double check all the above informations you can google the name of the 'artist' to see all I have just said corresponds to truth.
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What the fuck is this ? Art ?
Holy Mary, what will mankind think of next ? Live show " Day in Auschwitz "
I know that every day people dying, starving, animals are killed for fur or beaten to death for better taste ..... but selling tickets for watching dog dieing in agony.
Nahhh thats just wrong...
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 12:41 Post subject: |
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it says here the dog didn't die.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 12:41 Post subject: |
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That's absolutely shocking. I'd like to tie that bastard to a wall and let him slowly suffer.
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PrideLess
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 12:44 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | That's absolutely shocking. I'd like to tie that bastard to a wall and let him slowly suffer. |
Enterance is FREE OF CHARGE !
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 12:45 Post subject: |
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Jesus fucking Christ! And those fucking morons are just watching. If it was me, I'd hit him in the head and call the police.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 12:55 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | That's absolutely shocking. I'd like to tie that bastard to a wall and let him slowly suffer. |
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 13:01 Post subject: |
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Amazing that no one took in any food for the dog?
WTF is up with these people?
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TheSaint
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 13:02 Post subject: |
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Yeah ive already read about it. What a fucking retard that artist is, seriously needs some beating.
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_SiN_
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 13:20 Post subject: |
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Let me see if i can recall this good enough:
The point of the whole "exhibiton" was to show that people love to complain, feel bad for other living beings - but when all comes around, almost no-one is ready to do anything about it. The story the artist fed to the public was a lie, the dog was skinny, true, but it was healthy (so i've read), it was given food and water, just not when anyone saw it.
I don't have any links to this, but it's out there.
Also, this story is atleast a year old by now, and over long ago.
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I don't want to repeat myself, but - the dog wasn't tortured!
I felt exactly the same way all of you did when i first read this long ago, since i grew up with atleast 2 or more dogs all the time in the house (+ cats, horses and other animals).
Here's the thing:
The dog was previously homeless, that's why it's in such bad shape. The artist actually helped it in some degree, since IT WAS FED and taken care of.
The funny part is, the city where this took place has alot of homeless dogs. And NO-ONE does anything to help them. Sure, some give them food or leftovers, but MOST of the people that complained on the exhibition did not do anything to help those dogs.
The goal of the exhibiton was to show just this, and it succeeded. |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 13:31 Post subject: |
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| _SiN_ wrote: | | The point of the whole "exhibiton" was to show that people love to complain, feel bad for other living beings - but when all comes around, almost no-one is ready to do anything about it. |
Finally!
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 14:27 Post subject: |
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I'm sure that it would have fell apart. I mean there's no way that dog looks healthy to me. It certainly looks malnourished.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 14:37 Post subject: |
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dog didnt die. stop being drama queens.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 14:58 Post subject: |
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| MasterJuba wrote: | | dog didnt die. stop being drama queens. |
so it's ok to torture an animal or a person as long as in the end you make sure it doesn't die?
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 15:01 Post subject: |
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they didnt exactly torture it, it was taken in from the street and was already malnutrioned, read up on the facts.
i laugh at your statement though, dog =/= person.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 15:09 Post subject: |
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To continue to let an animal suffer is still torture which ever way you look at it.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 15:11 Post subject: |
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| MasterJuba wrote: | they didnt exactly torture it, it was taken in from the street and was already malnutrioned, read up on the facts.
i laugh at your statement though, dog =/= person. |
I already knew your would reply something along those lines, does an animal deserves a lesser treatment than a human?
if your answer is no, then yes, it is torture, because if that would be done to you, it will be a crime and the person responsible of doing it would most certainly be imprisioned for some good years of their life.
if your answer is yes, would you care to explain why?
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_SiN_
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 15:21 Post subject: |
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I don't want to repeat myself, but - the dog wasn't tortured!
I felt exactly the same way all of you did when i first read this long ago, since i grew up with atleast 2 or more dogs all the time in the house (+ cats, horses and other animals).
Here's the thing:
The dog was previously homeless, that's why it's in such bad shape. The artist actually helped it in some degree, since IT WAS FED and taken care of.
The funny part is, the city where this took place has alot of homeless dogs. And NO-ONE does anything to help them. Sure, some give them food or leftovers, but MOST of the people that complained on the exhibition did not do anything to help those dogs.
The goal of the exhibiton was to show just this, and it succeeded.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 15:41 Post subject: |
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someone read the facts grats _SiN_!
whatever way you look at it, for me, personally, a human is far more important that an animal, im not saying torturing animals is right, but saying WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CHAIN YOU UP AND NOT FEED YOU?!!? im a human, id bitch and moan and talk and stuff, cos i have a soul.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 16:23 Post subject: |
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| MasterJuba wrote: | someone read the facts grats _SiN_!
whatever way you look at it, for me, personally, a human is far more important that an animal, im not saying torturing animals is right, but saying WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CHAIN YOU UP AND NOT FEED YOU?!!? im a human, id bitch and moan and talk and stuff, cos i have a soul. |
So you conclude that a dog doenst suffer exactly like you do when it's being tortured because it can't communicate on our level and... it doesn't have A SOUL?! 
Are you fucking kidding me?
Just because people are smarter (and after reading this news piece, im very reluctant of using this term) faster then most other species does not, in any way mean that your life is somehow more important.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 16:26 Post subject: |
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it does in MY OPINION. a would gladly kill 100 animals to save a human life. pure and simple.
ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC YOU DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANTS THAN A DOGS. thats pretty funny.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 16:39 Post subject: |
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| MasterJuba wrote: | someone read the facts grats _SiN_!
whatever way you look at it, for me, personally, a human is far more important that an animal, im not saying torturing animals is right, but saying WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CHAIN YOU UP AND NOT FEED YOU?!!? im a human, id bitch and moan and talk and stuff, cos i have a soul. |
A soul...!
"And God looking down from the heavens created man at is own image"
I understand what _SiN_ is saying but you are just struggling to say something that doens't have anything to do with the subject.
this is not a threat about religion or theology or spiritism so I won't make a long comment about your previous post, but the thing is, if you choose to live in the fairy tale world of gods and spirits that's up to you, but even if you want to ridiculously believe in that, how can your mind process that fact that humans have souls and animals don't?
I mean your entire argument is based in the fact that humans are more important because we have souls. somehow I can't recall Charles Darwin mentioning the appearance of souls in primates as a result of evolution.
My point is, if you want to believe in those fairy tales, so obviously animals would have souls also, and your argument is meaningless.
And now, replying to _SiN_, yes the dog may have been homeless is entire life, and for the look of the pictures that dog is old. but a homeless dog can suffer bad nutrition but never starvation to the point he was under the museum.
I also believe it was all an act, but even though, under the perspective of that same act, if the dog was indeed unable to eat and drink anything, it was under a condition that he will never suffer on the streets, he would always have water to drink, he would always have garbage to find for food, he was purposely placed in a situation far worse of that he lived in the streets, and it was a person who placed him under that condition, that is torture.
But as I said, I believe the museum, under the time it was closed, feed the dog and the exhibit was nothing but an act, but under the assumption that it might be true, it was torture plain and simple.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 16:49 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | MasterJuba wrote: | someone read the facts grats _SiN_!
whatever way you look at it, for me, personally, a human is far more important that an animal, im not saying torturing animals is right, but saying WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CHAIN YOU UP AND NOT FEED YOU?!!? im a human, id bitch and moan and talk and stuff, cos i have a soul. |
A soul...!
"And God looking down from the heavens created man at is own image"
I understand what _SiN_ is saying but you are just struggling to say something that doens't have anything to do with the subject.
this is not a threat about religion or theology or spiritism so I won't make a long comment about your previous post, but the thing is, if you choose to live in the fairy tale world of gods and spirits that's up to you, but even if you want to ridiculously believe in that, how can your mind process that fact that humans have souls and animals don't?
I mean your entire argument is based in the fact that humans are more important because we have souls. somehow I can't recall Charles Darwin mentioning the appearance of souls in primates as a result of evolution.
My point is, if you want to believe in those fairy tales, so obviously animals would have souls also, and your argument is meaningless.
And now, replying to _SiN_, yes the dog may have been homeless is entire life, and for the look of the pictures that dog is old. but a homeless dog can suffer bad nutrition but never starvation to the point he was under the museum.
I also believe it was all an act, but even though, under the perspective of that same act, if the dog was indeed unable to eat and drink anything, it was under a condition that he will never suffer on the streets, he would always have water to drink, he would always have garbage to find for food, he was purposely placed in a situation far worse of that he lived in the streets, and it was a person who placed him under that condition, that is torture.
But as I said, I believe the museum, under the time it was closed, feed the dog and the exhibit was nothing but an act, but under the assumption that it might be true, it was torture plain and simple. |
First of all - it wasn't true, so the assumption that it COULD be doesn't count at all.
Secondly, do you know how many homeless dogs die each year? From not having anything to eat, or by eating something that is really bad for them?
No, the dog was not put in a worse situation, i actually think the opposite - they TOOK CARE of the dog, but not when people saw it, everything was done to provoke and to prove a point, wich it did very well.
His plan succeded, and he proved, IMO, a good point. And btw, the dog wasn't killed ofcourse. Where it is today i do not know, but i don't think it's impossible to find out either.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 16:52 Post subject: |
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| MasterJuba wrote: | it does in MY OPINION. a would gladly kill 100 animals to save a human life. pure and simple.
ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC YOU DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANTS THAN A DOGS. thats pretty funny. |
no it isn't, it's WE, HUMANS, who value our life more than any other animal because we are humans, some years ago I read in a science newspaper about an experience that some 3 cows were placed under analysis while they witnessed the killing of a chicken, a pig, and another cow, guess what, when they witness the slaughter of another cow they gave up readings that they haven't under the slaughter of the chicken and the pig, and a cow doesn't have any moral or ethics like we humans do.
it was simple the reaction to watch the killing of a member of the same species.
the importance of life is only a matter of perspective, I'm sure that in their lower and inferior minds, a pack of sheep or dogs would gladly prefer the killing of 100 humans than the killing of one their own.
we may have the ability to communicate in a far greater level than any other known animal, but deep down, that's really the main difference between humans and the rest of the animal world, it's communication.
so yes, I firmly agree that a life of a person is no more or less important than the life of a dog.
of course that as a human I would PREFER the death of any animal to a human, but that is nothing more than a reaction of my animal instinct.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 17:23 Post subject: |
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Wrong, but uniuqe as far as art is concerned.
I guess there is no limit on how much of a twat you can be in the name of art.
Hope he is proud of his achievement, I could do the same thing every day..
cunt.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 19:00 Post subject: |
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i didnt bother to read your replies guys, lets just go with, masterjuba is right, may his soul goto heaven.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 19:31 Post subject: |
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| MasterJuba wrote: | | i didnt bother to read your replies guys, lets just go with, masterjuba is right, may his soul goto heaven. |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Apr 2008 20:27 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | That's absolutely shocking. I'd like to tie that bastard to a wall and let him slowly suffer. |
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