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 Posted: Mon, 11th Feb 2008 03:39 Post subject: |
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I've found the to be opposite many times. I won't say that's true for all people. I've met many people online in person that express the same thoughts...in person.
If you ever meet me in person, you'll get my same answer in person as you would online. It doesn't make sense to change it, anonymous or not. Does that mean if I met you in person you'd also say something completely different? If so, why?
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Feb 2008 13:48 Post subject: |
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god is the one playing this fucked up stratagy game "earth". It`s a bit to complex for him and he lost control thousands of years ago (in playtime). His last hope was "Jesus". He send him to turn things around, but the KI already was on a one way track... and now he/she/it sits infront of his kick ass screen and watches how the "humans" fuck themselfs and the gameworld up faster and faster. Nothing he can do. Well maybe there will be a version 2.0 someday...
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Feb 2008 17:07 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Feb 2008 20:07 Post subject: |
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I strongly believe I am a reincarnation of Jesus, I recall living back in 8BC-30AD and everywhere I went I was jizzing in people's faces, then I pulled these cheap magic tricks out of my hat and what with all the jizz in their eyes they didn't see me pulling my rabit from out of my arse instead of my hat, so they all thought it was a miracle. Now I also distinctly remember setting fire to that berrybush, now here's what I did, I just farted so hard(ate a big fat portion of near rotting onions)and just held a flint near my arsehole and that set fire to this bush, Mozes must have been deaf cuz he didn't hear me fart, he did pull up his nose but what do you expect from such a retard. Everywhere I went people were asking me Pfiemelcheese(my name etymologically translated to hebrew is actually jizzing cheese, and through the ages it became a concatination of jizzeese and then jesus)to jizz in their faces and show my miracles and they all tossed coins to see my miracles in action. At a certain point in my past life I was so succesfull and people were tossing me so many coin and diamonds the jews got word of it, and we all know how much they love the shiny coin so they had my past embodiment nailed to a cross so they could get all my preccccccccccious treasure.
That my fellow nforcers is how it really went down;)
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Feb 2008 21:33 Post subject: |
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| ACDC_HACKER wrote: | I've found the to be opposite many times. I won't say that's true for all people. I've met many people online in person that express the same thoughts...in person.
If you ever meet me in person, you'll get my same answer in person as you would online. It doesn't make sense to change it, anonymous or not. Does that mean if I met you in person you'd also say something completely different? If so, why? |
How true. The few ppl ive met from meeting them online were the excact same as they were in person. |
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Feb 2008 21:37 Post subject: |
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| Pfiemelcheese wrote: | I strongly believe I am a reincarnation of Jesus, I recall living back in 8BC-30AD and everywhere I went I was jizzing in people's faces, then I pulled these cheap magic tricks out of my hat and what with all the jizz in their eyes they didn't see me pulling my rabit from out of my arse instead of my hat, so they all thought it was a miracle. Now I also distinctly remember setting fire to that berrybush, now here's what I did, I just farted so hard(ate a big fat portion of near rotting onions)and just held a flint near my arsehole and that set fire to this bush, Mozes must have been deaf cuz he didn't hear me fart, he did pull up his nose but what do you expect from such a retard. Everywhere I went people were asking me Pfiemelcheese(my name etymologically translated to hebrew is actually jizzing cheese, and through the ages it became a concatination of jizzeese and then jesus)to jizz in their faces and show my miracles and they all tossed coins to see my miracles in action. At a certain point in my past life I was so succesfull and people were tossing me so many coin and diamonds the jews got word of it, and we all know how much they love the shiny coin so they had my past embodiment nailed to a cross so they could get all my preccccccccccious treasure.
That my fellow nforcers is how it really went down;) |
sounds very reasonable to me!
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Feb 2008 23:37 Post subject: |
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"God", and all other opiums was made up to comfort the weak of will. (Paraphrazing)
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2008 00:49 Post subject: |
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I know for a fact that god or any other form of deity does not exist.
And I break it down like this, some 10.000 years ago, when civilization was starting to question the world around them, the first concept of deity appeared, because for the people at that time everytime something happened that they could comprehend, they still needed some type of explanation, they believed that things don't happen out of nothingness. this early concept of deity with time evolved to religion, and at that early stage, religion was basicly a science, it was the thing people turned to when they needed explanation of unknown events or situations, and with some more time, the great rulers of the world eventually perceived that religion could be use to control masses, we see this very clearly during the age of the pyramids, when the pharaoh 's posed as gods himselfs.
the religions that have survived until this day, have also passed through this process, where small groups or comunities influence large groups of people though the believe of some connection to some form or deity. the most famous of them all is of course christianity, wich after some 2000 years of preaching and rewritten history has evolved to a stage where massive large number of people take it for granted without any kind of questioning process, and religion is nothing more than that, plain and simple.
my point above was to prove what religion is, but even for all those people that have realized that religion was nothing more than control for the masses, among those people there are still people who believe in god. most of the times I hear something like "there's got to be some benign force up there", "with all the evil in the world, there's got to be something to make it right".
those arguments are nothing more than the felling of hopelessness. first off, good and evil are nothing more than a human expression towards our perception of the world, we perceive the world mainly by pleasure and pain, either it is psychological or physical, everything we feel is either pleasant or unpleasant, and good and evil are nothing more than human stereotypes directed related with pleasure and pain.
now let's take a look at the world for an instance, we have an ecosystem where we are constantly being the predator or the prey, the natural way life work's is by the survival of the fittest, if there was a god, if that god have created all this ecosystem that works very much like the strong survives, the weak dies, why would that god be something like the god religion tries to sell us, an all loving god, who loves all of us, weak, strong, good, evil, pretty, ugly, unconditionaly.
if the universe was somehow created by some form of conscioussness, it sure wasn't the one that cares about meaning.
god doesn't exist, life is meaningless, that doesn't mean life isn't worth it, life is what we made of it, it doens't need some greatness of meaning and purpose to be worth to seize life how it is.
life is an experience, and I'll take it, because it's all there is and all I could ever be, and I'm certainly sorry for all those people who can see this as clearly as I do.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2008 10:02 Post subject: |
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Everyone should read The God Delusion. What a book.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2008 10:15 Post subject: Re: Do you believe in God? |
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| boake wrote: | | If the God exists, why are there still the war, the pain, the poverty, the inequality, and the racism, etc.? |
the God is the God, not our nanny... |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2008 17:20 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | I know for a fact that god or any other form of deity does not exist.
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It seems you're confused about the definition of 'fact'.
Your whole argument is based around refuting the generic notion of god. This is hardly comprehensive when you're making statements like the above.
Who's to say a 'god' needs to have any involvement in our evolution besides creating the energetic event responsible for the creation of our universe.
Your problem is that you somehow think you are more enlightened then the rest of us. Yet you're as clueless as everyone else when it comes to the machinations of an omnipotent being, just like religious individuals it seems you fail to realise it. Your massive oversimplification of morality doesn't help things.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2008 21:40 Post subject: |
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Which god? Where's that pfft-bloody-theists-usurped-the-idea-of-real-god dude?
There are plenty of gods.
P.S. of course I do understand what was meant.  and the answer is no.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 08:17 Post subject: |
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 13:30 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | I know for a fact that god or any other form of deity does not exist.
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It seems you're confused about the definition of 'fact'.
Your whole argument is based around refuting the generic notion of god. This is hardly comprehensive when you're making statements like the above.
Who's to say a 'god' needs to have any involvement in our evolution besides creating the energetic event responsible for the creation of our universe.
Your problem is that you somehow think you are more enlightened then the rest of us. Yet you're as clueless as everyone else when it comes to the machinations of an omnipotent being, just like religious individuals it seems you fail to realise it. Your massive oversimplification of morality doesn't help things. |
I don't think I'm more enlightened than anyone else, I just know I'm right, just how all the other persons that see things like I do. it's all about scientific analysis, not enlightnement, the simplest solution is always the right one. everything in physics tends to be simplified to a single mathematical expression, a simple represention of an event.
what you are basicly saying is that if a god exists, it would maybe only be the omnipotent conscious force that created the universe. I would use an analogy, for you god would be something like a game designer, it would be the person who created the game, everything within the game and all the rules of the game, but wouldn't take any part in what form the game would be played. My point here is this, so far, many people have realized that religion in all it's forms is a lie, but most of that same people can't abandon the concept of god, a concept that was initially created by religion.
in the present world, the strongest argument to preserve the concept of god is that our scientific understandment of the universe is still incomplete, and we can't prove through science the non-existence of god, but first of all, science works the other way around, the first two steps of science is analysis and theory, and these two factors have different priorities in different situations, and then ultimately by experiment and confirmation. that is the scientific process, it is the process that we as human beings have to find the absolute universal truths. The god concept is the complete reversal of this process, it's a confirmation without any form of analysis and theory forming process. If I would to say that just beneath the event horizon of a black hole there are little flying creatures that feed on gravity waves, would this be true?, because nobody can prove it wrong, nobody can go there and prove me wrong, so until the day that it would be possible to send a person or a robot inside a black hole and recover it, It would have to be a universal truth that there are little flying creatures feeding in gravity waves beneath the event horizon of a black hole, and I know this to be true because of faith, does this theory seems ridiculous enough to you? So is the very idea of god, and no, there is no difference between the god logic and my black hole logic, the only differences is that the god logic is some 10.000 years old and my black hole logic some 5 minutes old, and also that 60% of the human population believe in the god logic to be a universal truth and my black hole logic was just something I made up trying to make a point, and most important is that the god logic gives people hope and meaning and my black hole logic doesn't quite accomplish that. Other than that they are both equally a complete nonsense, they are both equally ridiculous and they are both an equally redundant lie.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 13:48 Post subject: |
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I don't believe in a god - where did they come from?
maybe some kind of temporal paradox or something..
anyway I haven't voted as I didn't want to say it's fucking bullshit..
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 13:54 Post subject: |
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I don't think there is a god in the traditional sense. But I think the fact there is a significant amount of people whose actions are dictated by religion makes God a very real factor in dictating how pretty much all human cultures are developing?
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 16:35 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: |
I don't think I'm more enlightened than anyone else, I just know I'm right, just how all the other persons that see things like I do. it's all about scientific analysis, not enlightnement, the simplest solution is always the right one. everything in physics tends to be simplified to a single mathematical expression, a simple represention of an event.
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Your whole argument is full of contradictions. Firstly you say you "know you're right", "know these things for a fact" you then go on say there is no conclusive proof for the existence of God. Yet there is also no conclusive proof against the existence of some sort of 'God', you're audacious enough to think you have somehow deduced there is.
Your understanding of the scientific method is lacking, I'm assuming you've never actually applied knowledge to practical science, that you've read a few Wiki articles and now class yourself as a scientist. Occams Razor applies to qualification of an observed event i.e. Theories, not scientific consensus in general.
As I said before your problem is you think you have some special insight, an arrogant armchair scientist spouting his rudimentary understanding. In some ways it's worse then religious individuals, at least most admit it's blind faith, not them knowing something you don't.
The difference between me and you is I realise just how little I know when it comes to the concept of an omnipotent entity.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 17:20 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
I don't think I'm more enlightened than anyone else, I just know I'm right, just how all the other persons that see things like I do. it's all about scientific analysis, not enlightnement, the simplest solution is always the right one. everything in physics tends to be simplified to a single mathematical expression, a simple represention of an event.
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Your whole argument is full of contradictions. Firstly you say you "know you're right", "know these things for a fact" you then go on say there is no conclusive proof for the existence of God. Yet there is also no conclusive proof against the existence of some sort of 'God', you're audacious enough to think you have somehow deduced there is.
Your understanding of the scientific method is lacking, I'm assuming you've never actually applied knowledge to practical science, that you've read a few Wiki articles and now class yourself as a scientist. Occams Razor applies to qualification of an observed event i.e. Theories, not scientific consensus in general.
As I said before your problem is you think you have some special insight, an arrogant armchair scientist spouting his rudimentary understanding. In some ways it's worse then religious individuals, at least most admit it's blind faith, not them knowing something you don't.
The difference between me and you is I realise just how little I know when it comes to the concept of an omnipotent entity. |
I do not class myself as a scientist, but my scientific knowledge isn't lacking neither isn't rudimentary, maybe I was arrogant enough when I mentioned that I had an absolute certainty of my argument, that was probably my mistake, but equally, your reply's rest on questioning my arrogance, not my arguments.
I'm sorry for my arrogance, I'm sorry for it because I'm not an arrogant person, but also, I'm not sorry for what I said, because contrary to many other people, my argument here doesn't lie on personal believe or emotion, I say this because of something extremely simple, most of the times, when people have an argument, whatever the argument may be, people always try to defend their argument with their emotional beliefs, for instance, I don't know if you believe in god or not, but if you do, you would like for it to exist, you wouldn't like to be wrong and wouldn't like for it not to exist. I've thought about god all my life, and at this point I simple don't care about god's existence, but equally, after everything I've learned, it couldn't be more clear that god does not exist.
I often say that god is an historical experience, because if god wasn't created all those centuries ago, god concept/theory (whatever you want to call it) would never exist.
as we know more and more about how the universe works, less and less people believe in god, probably there will always be people believing in god, but if we make it through the next 1000 years, the believers will be a small minority.
everything in nature can be observed, directly or indirectly, but everything that exists can be experienced a way or another, and god can not, that's why it lived so far, people believe it because it's impossible to prove it's non existence, just like the example I gave you on the post above.
ultimately everything has to be explained by science, which means that god has to be a scientific theory. god isn't predicted by science in any way.
theories like string theory, maybe be extremely difficult to prove, but they are predicted, particles like graviton's and tachyon's, are also predicted, they can exist or not, but there is a mathematical prediction for their existence. not for god's existence.
the difference between us is that I realized that the very concept of omnipotent is not a field of science or reality, it is a field of fantasy.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 18:20 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: |
the difference between us is that I realized that the very concept of omnipotent is not a field of science or reality, it is a field of fantasy. |
Well just like everything else in the human language, the term omnipotent is relative. My point being that their is no way you or anyone else can claim to understand the workings of an entity so far beyond you. Thats why I think it's arrogant to assume you can define what a 'god' is and that you can understand it's existence.
For the record I'm agnostic, because I believe both religion and atheism are two different sides of the same coin. Both of them are based on massive assumptions by the individual.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Quote: | | mathematician Georg Cantor's concept of an "infinity" that transcended the transfinite numbers. Cantor equated the Absolute Infinite with God.[1] He held that the Absolute Infinite had various mathematical properties, including that every property of the Absolute Infinite is also held by some smaller objec |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | Quote: | | mathematician Georg Cantor's concept of an "infinity" that transcended the transfinite numbers. Cantor equated the Absolute Infinite with God.[1] He held that the Absolute Infinite had various mathematical properties, including that every property of the Absolute Infinite is also held by some smaller objec |
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