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upstart_69
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| NuclearShadow wrote: |
I wouldn't call the bugs a major problem but the game itself seems to lack in major areas something patchs won't be able to fix... and if they do somehow then the game was simply released to early and the intended content never made it in... which I certainly wouldn't see as "excellent support"
*edit* Also a big hint of a game being released to early is when a patch comes extremely fast it usually means they shipped it knowing of certain bugs. |
You don't seem to be very familiar with Stardock much, or else you would know how ridiculous everything you just said is.
As opposed to other companies who just dump a product out on consumers and maybe fix a handful of issues and move on, Stardock releases their products as a kind of "beginning platter" to play with before enhancing, adding, tweaking, ect ect. In short, patches come out soon and dont end anytime soon. Besides this, they also assist modders in any way they can, as you can tell from visiting their official forums and reading over the discussions.
This especially has me excited:
| Quote: | | Prior to release, our internal testing of the game has produced a lengthy list of suggestions for future updates (1.01, 1.02, 1.03, and so on) |
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 13:06 Post subject: |
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stardocks copy protection is a unique way of getting people to buy your games by offering good after sales support rather than releasing a game and fixing a few bugs they will listen to there customers and implement some of there ideas trying to make the user base happy before they move on.
people will remember the cool devs who didnt abandon there game and be more willing to buy there future releases
| Quote: | I don’t like piracy. I don’t like people using stuff my friends and I worked very hard on for years without compensating us. But I also can make the distinction between piracy and lost sales. That’s a distinction that most DRM and copy protection schemes ignore.
The bottom line on copy protection is that if you create a greater incentive for someone to buy your game than to steal it, those who might possibly buy your game will make the choice to buy it.
With Galactic Civilizations II, we put no copy protection on the CD. But to get updates, users had to use their unique serial # in the box. That’s because our system is backed by TotalGaming.net’s unique SSD service (secure software delivery) which forgoes DRM and copy protection as we know it to take a more common sense (I think so anyway as a gamer) approach of just making sure you are delivering your game to the actual customer.
Any system out there will get cracked and distributed. But if you provide reasonable after-release support in the form of free updates that add new content and features that are painless for customers to get, you create a real incentive to be a customer.
As I mentioned earlier, Galactic Civilizations II was success in terms of actual sales, critical reception, and most importantly, satisfaction by strategy gamers.
Sins of a Solar Empire is taking the same route. In fact, we hope to have a free update available the first week of availability with new maps, new options, and new features. We consider ourselves lucky. We get to make a game and play it and then get to update it based on talking to our customers. It’s a great system.
And I think most gamers will agree that a system that rewards people for buying your product is preferable to one that treats them like potential criminals. |
he seems pretty cool, he knows everyone who downloads there games wouldnt have bought them anyway but by offering patchs and game updates (like new content suggested on there forums etc) with the need of a legit copy to attain them the people who would have bought there product will be more likely to.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 13:36 Post subject: |
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And he is completely right.
The more copy protection there is in a game the more unlikely is i will buy it, especially if i need to use a crack anyway since no way in 2008 i'll continue to have a pile of cd/dvd next to my computer just to start a game.
This is a certain buy for me and though the game is .. nice now (i dont find it exceptional) i'm sure it will improve greatly in the next months.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 13:45 Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: | | Quote: | | Multi-player needs some patching, the game list has a big bug that makes it lists all the games that have already started/closed, so most games say failed when you try to join. |
Shut up the game is perfect, don't say anything bad even if you have experienced a problem. Don't you know how hard it is to be a software developer? That's not a bug, its a minor glitch..no wait, a feature! Its to make sure you build up some rage to take out on your opponents when you actually find one..
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You okay there dude, can't you find your pills?
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 13:50 Post subject: |
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This game is alright. Although the AI is either very good or pretty dumb. I left my game running for 6 hours whilst I went out. Came back and nothing had changed!. Except I just got a lot richer. All I lost were a couple of squadrens of bombers and fighters.
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 17:15 Post subject: |
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Played a bit of pirated copy and I guess I'll wait a bit more to see how they patch it. It's not the lack of campaign that is bothering me anymore. I just don't like how it plays.
Units are quite unbalanced. I only build light frigates and with a Capital Ship they overpower everything. Well, IF I catch anyone, ai just constantly jumps away whenever you have stronger force. Just recently I was killing one damaged CapShip with 10-20 light frigates (much faster than CapShip) it took me at least 5 mins and all the ai did was constantly jump from one planet to the other. Enough time that his backup came.
It takes forever to destroy one ai and when you do that, others just gangbang you. A compliment of stupid diplomacy where it is almost impossible to ally with anyone, since there is impossible to complete enough missions in given time. Only fair games are when you lock teams so you have couple of ai's with you, but then it’s just a bigger duel game.
Anyway, game has a lot of promisse, but it was surly rushed.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 18:20 Post subject: |
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I've bought both the GalCiv2 + Dread Lords expansion as a digital download. Stardock rules!
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 18:32 Post subject: |
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| fawe4 wrote: | Played a bit of pirated copy and I guess I'll wait a bit more to see how they patch it. It's not the lack of campaign that is bothering me anymore. I just don't like how it plays.
Units are quite unbalanced. I only build light frigates and with a Capital Ship they overpower everything. Well, IF I catch anyone, ai just constantly jumps away whenever you have stronger force. Just recently I was killing one damaged CapShip with 10-20 light frigates (much faster than CapShip) it took me at least 5 mins and all the ai did was constantly jump from one planet to the other. Enough time that his backup came.
It takes forever to destroy one ai and when you do that, others just gangbang you. A compliment of stupid diplomacy where it is almost impossible to ally with anyone, since there is impossible to complete enough missions in given time. Only fair games are when you lock teams so you have couple of ai's with you, but then it’s just a bigger duel game.
Anyway, game has a lot of promisse, but it was surly rushed. |
the games all about online play though, the type of people who seem to play this game online seem to all be mature, no stupid kids so far in my games.
btw when ai was running from me i just attacking his home world and he brought his run away fleet back to try and stop me
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Surray
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 19:47 Post subject: |
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AI is currently pretty cautious. It will run away if it's outnumbered, which leads to less full-on battles and more raiding which is not what some people want.
But seriously, wouldn't you save your ships when you're attacked by a superior fleet, too?
I know I would. And yeah, the game is meant to be played against human players.
I'm sure the AI will be tweaked over time, but you'll always get the best battles in multiplayer with other people.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Feb 2008 19:56 Post subject: |
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It doesn't turn in to raiding at all. What I've seen is that the ships jump in, then immediately turn and jump out. My squadrons sometimes will pile up on one and take one out, but that's about it.
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2008 02:06 Post subject: |
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If my force is smaller in the sector they jump to they will start fighting but as soon as I bring in backup they run off with there dicks between there legs. I like it makes me feel big in the pants (superior) lol....
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2008 04:03 Post subject: |
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they do come and try to stop you if you attack one of there planets though even if there fleet is likely to die.
if you want to raid find a pirate base and have fun shooting there huge fleet, takes around 8 cap ships and alot of electronic warfare frigs/cruisers to kill them unless you build one of the death star type weapons and whack there planet first
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2008 04:54 Post subject: |
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| snop1050 wrote: | they do come and try to stop you if you attack one of there planets though even if there fleet is likely to die.
if you want to raid find a pirate base and have fun shooting there huge fleet, takes around 8 cap ships and alot of electronic warfare frigs/cruisers to kill them unless you build one of the death star type weapons and whack there planet first |
You play eve online as well I see  |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 03:01 Post subject: |
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102 patch has been released. Awesomeness.
Changes:
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Gameplay / Balance:
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-Tutorials moving into bad states at random fixed.
-Siege frigate survivability decreased.
-Pirate raid frequency decreased slightly.
-Later stage missions to destroy ships and structures have had their expiry times increased.
-Clairvoyance: duration increased from 30, 45 60 seconds per level to 50, 100, 150 seconds.
-Guidance: cooldown changed from 20, 15, 10 seconds per level to 20 seconds at all levels.
-Guidance: ability cooldown rate changed from +20%, +35%, +50% per level to +40% at all levels.
-Guidance: duration changed 20 seconds at all levels to 15, 30, 45 seconds per level.
-Reverie: friendly units will no longer auto-acquire enemies under the effects of reverie as attack targets.
-Reverie: duration increased from 15, 20, 25 seconds per level to 20, 30, 40 seconds.
-Gravity Warhead: range decreased from 7000 to 6000 at all levels.
-Gravity Warhead: cooldown increased from 18, 16, 14 seconds per level to 25 seconds at all levels .
-Gravity Warhead: antimatter cost raised from 80 to 100 at all levels.
-Gravity Warhead: duration changed from 12 seconds at all levels to 12, 15, 18 seconds per level.
-Gravity Warhead: Speed reduction changed from 15%, 30%, 45% per level to 30%, 45%, 60% .
-Gravity Warhead: Acceleration reduction changed from 20%, 40%, 60% per level to 60%, 80%, 120%.
-Nano-Disassember: range increased from 4500 to 6000 at all levels.
-Nano-Disassember: antimatter cost decreased from 85 to 75 at all levels.
-Ion Bolt: antimatter cost increased from 65 to 85 at all levels.
-Ion Bolt: cooldown from 9, 11, 13 seconds per level to 10, 12, 14 seconds.
-Shield Projection: radius of effect increased from 2500 to 5000.
-Game update rate change hooked to - and = buttons (singleplayer only).
-Two new pirate-less maps.
-First tutorial now handles players spending their ability point before they were intended to and thus not being able to spend it when instructed.
-Phasic Transmissions research is now effective even at max fleet supply research.
-Reduced Phasic Transmissions supply bonus from 20% down to 15%.
-Stopgap fix for market exploit until new market dynamics are fully tested.
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Graphics:
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-Shield projection's bubble less opaque.
-Various new ICO art.
-Fix bug where skybox is always the same.
-New Advent bomber icons to better differentiate them from fighters.
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Networking / Multiplayer:
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-Phantom games causing "Rejected by Host" error fixed.
-Multiplayer lobby screens now have Map Designer tab.
-Whisper functionality for ICO
-Refactored join game screen.
-Fix for not seeing friend's games.
-New chat friendly ICO font.
-ICO user names are now sorted.
-Self and friends are colored in ICO channel player list.
-Events for players entering and leaving channels.
-ICO nows preserves history when changing channels.
-ICO logged in user count now displayed. This number will only update when you change channels or login.
-Added some default lobby names.
-Reorganized numbered lobbies to increment sequentially as they fill.
-Added notification of what channel you are in.
-Fix for rare multiplayer lobby crash when host leaves a game in ICO.
-Various new ICO message strings.
-ICO server now ignores case when searching for channel names.
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UserInterface / HUD:
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-Added counter descriptions for all frigates and fighters.
-Game menu now mapped to F10 by default instead of Esc so people can repeatly press Esc to close any submenu they be in w/o going all the way to the escape menu.
-Fix rare bug in group selection.
-Various strings cleaned up.
-Hooked up proper double clicking to text lists so clickng on something already selected doesn't try to join a game when it shouldn't.
-Hooked up ico-player name lists (both selecting player and chat lobby player names) to double clicking.
-Added infocard keybindings for quick-select buttons. |
I figured out that I get much better access to my stuff if I disable all pinning in options, because it'll still show whatever you have selected in the box. Otherwise I quickly got tired of scrolling that damn thing. This game is awesome.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 08:39 Post subject: |
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| BaronOfHell wrote: | Hmm some really interesting changes. Do you need a serial to install it as well or just to download it? I really REALLY want to buy the game but it isn't available where I live  I hate stealing from Stardock  |
You can always buy it on the net the download version and it's cheaper. |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 11:55 Post subject: |
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Any campaign mods for this game, or is to early?
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A-A
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 12:05 Post subject: |
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| bogo24dk wrote: |
You can always buy it on the net the download version and it's cheaper. |
Download version is $45 right? Retail is only $40 plus you get a manual. They make you pay for the download servers they lease out.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 12:46 Post subject: |
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Yeah, sad that the online version is more expensive. Its only a $5 difference but I still ended up buying it from GoGamer.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 13:26 Post subject: |
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the download version is the collectors edition aparently.
but all you get is the sountrack and a printable research tree but i bet normal copys can download them anyway.
download version has to be the same price as the recomended retail version anyway its a condition all the publishers use thats why sometimes they seem expensive compared to shops.
even if you buy the retail version you can still just download stardocks launcher thing and use your serial key to download the game anyway though so its not more expensive because your paying for the servers they lease.
new patch is out
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Gameplay / Balance:
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-Tutorials moving into bad states at random fixed.
-Siege frigate survivability decreased.
-Pirate raid frequency decreased slightly.
-Later stage missions to destroy ships and structures have had their expiry times increased.
-Clairvoyance: duration increased from 30, 45 60 seconds per level to 50, 100, 150 seconds.
-Guidance: cooldown changed from 20, 15, 10 seconds per level to 20 seconds at all levels.
-Guidance: ability cooldown rate changed from +20%, +35%, +50% per level to +40% at all levels.
-Guidance: duration changed 20 seconds at all levels to 15, 30, 45 seconds per level.
-Reverie: friendly units will no longer auto-acquire enemies under the effects of reverie as attack targets.
-Reverie: duration increased from 15, 20, 25 seconds per level to 20, 30, 40 seconds.
-Gravity Warhead: range decreased from 7000 to 6000 at all levels.
-Gravity Warhead: cooldown increased from 18, 16, 14 seconds per level to 25 seconds at all levels .
-Gravity Warhead: antimatter cost raised from 80 to 100 at all levels.
-Gravity Warhead: duration changed from 12 seconds at all levels to 12, 15, 18 seconds per level.
-Gravity Warhead: Speed reduction changed from 15%, 30%, 45% per level to 30%, 45%, 60% .
-Gravity Warhead: Acceleration reduction changed from 20%, 40%, 60% per level to 60%, 80%, 120%.
-Nano-Disassember: range increased from 4500 to 6000 at all levels.
-Nano-Disassember: antimatter cost decreased from 85 to 75 at all levels.
-Ion Bolt: antimatter cost increased from 65 to 85 at all levels.
-Ion Bolt: cooldown from 9, 11, 13 seconds per level to 10, 12, 14 seconds.
-Shield Projection: radius of effect increased from 2500 to 5000.
-Game update rate change hooked to - and = buttons (singleplayer only).
-Two new pirate-less maps.
-First tutorial now handles players spending their ability point before they were intended to and thus not being able to spend it when instructed.
-Phasic Transmissions research is now effective even at max fleet supply research.
-Reduced Phasic Transmissions supply bonus from 20% down to 15%.
-Stopgap fix for market exploit until new market dynamics are fully tested.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graphics:
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-Shield projection's bubble less opaque.
-Various new ICO art.
-Fix bug where skybox is always the same.
-New Advent bomber icons to better differentiate them from fighters.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Networking / Multiplayer:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Phantom games causing "Rejected by Host" error fixed.
-Multiplayer lobby screens now have Map Designer tab.
-Whisper functionality for ICO
-Refactored join game screen.
-Fix for not seeing friend's games.
-New chat friendly ICO font.
-ICO user names are now sorted.
-Self and friends are colored in ICO channel player list.
-Events for players entering and leaving channels.
-ICO nows preserves history when changing channels.
-ICO logged in user count now displayed. This number will only update when you change channels or login.
-Added some default lobby names.
-Reorganized numbered lobbies to increment sequentially as they fill.
-Added notification of what channel you are in.
-Fix for rare multiplayer lobby crash when host leaves a game in ICO.
-Various new ICO message strings.
-ICO server now ignores case when searching for channel names.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
UserInterface / HUD:
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-Added counter descriptions for all frigates and fighters.
-Game menu now mapped to F10 by default instead of Esc so people can repeatly press Esc to close any submenu they be in w/o going all the way to the escape menu.
-Fix rare bug in group selection.
-Various strings cleaned up.
-Hooked up proper double clicking to text lists so clickng on something already selected doesn't try to join a game when it shouldn't.
-Hooked up ico-player name lists (both selecting player and chat lobby player names) to double clicking.
-Added infocard keybindings for quick-select buttons.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 14:46 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | Any campaign mods for this game, or is to early? |
games been out 6 days and there's no kit to do it. I'd go for it's a bit too early.
has the patch appeared on torrent sites yet? still trying to find it.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 18:51 Post subject: |
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| D4rkKnight wrote: | | bogo24dk wrote: |
You can always buy it on the net the download version and it's cheaper. |
Download version is $45 right? Retail is only $40 plus you get a manual. They make you pay for the download servers they lease out. |
Where the heck have you seen it for 45 in retail version. If you buy if from stardock you have to play 49.95 +shipment . 10 to 15 US and 20 to 25 europe. |
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Surray
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 19:53 Post subject: |
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| bonaldo2000 wrote: | | Ace170780 wrote: | | Well I finished my first game on the big galaxies and man what an experience. At the end I wiped out all factions and made one alliance had reasearched everything and had a huge fleet. Game lasted about 10 hours :) what a time sinker and I love it. |
Was that on single player or? Am just wondering if the game is any good playing human vs. computer? |
nah this game is meant to be played vs human opponents. the AI is not too much fun to play against as it's usually pretty passive and almost always flees if you have stronger fleet.
may get better over time as the game gets some patches, but for now, only get it if you got someone else to play it with.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2008 22:12 Post subject: |
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I made it through the tutorials and started a game up, but to be honest the game felt very generic. Is there something that comes to light later in the game that maybe the tutorials don't cover? I tried to enjoy it but it just felt meh.
On the other hand, Ive put maybe 20 hours into GalCiv2 DA over the past 2 days and its been a blast.
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