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Is it just me or religion the most retarded thing EVER in the history of human beings ...
I mean honestly... religion actually annoys the hell outta me.. and if im being honest i feel sorry for anyone religious plus also think they are weak weak people.
How do the majority of the worlds population base their life on something with ZERO proof ... ZERO sense ..and something that goes against all logic.
Imagine trying to explain religion to someone who had never been to earth before... :S
Its 2008... how on earth did it become this :S
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SycoShaman
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Thats a very hard question to answer. Religion was useful for a time, but some of us have evolved and some havent. We are in a transition process I think.
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CaptainCox
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There is NO GOD!, read up on some evolutionary theories and you will be blown away!. That's my take on things but...took me some time to come to that conclusion, I guess one have to find hes own answers, but the truth is out there.
Religion is only about POWER! ONLY THAT!, forget the rest!
Even the Monks of the middle ages where HUGE money mongers, same with the Pope, same with the Muslims and the rest...POWER and TERITORY!...LebensRaum, same thing...just other words.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Jan 2008 01:35 Post subject: |
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Religion is like Alchemy. A passing intellectual phase that many humans dabble with. Soon, it will be replaced with common sense and reason. Either that, or we (the human race), will be replaced by a cloud of nuclear dust after some fanatic acquires a nuke and "tickles the button". Anyways, religion has affected just about every aspect of our life(mostly in idiotic ways), so I can understand if it bothers you, but meh, most you can do is not believe, go on with your life, and bitch anonymously on random internet forums 
Sense Amid Madness, Wit Amidst Folly
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I once went to a gathering of mormons in their "church" with my friend. They're beliefs are so fuckin damn dumb and what bothers me the most is that they act too polite. It's so uncomfortable to have conversation with a mormon. One old converted hag gave a speech which was so meaningless. It was just about mormonism in general and she had lots of facts wrong. Most of the time she was just looking out of the window, because she forgot what she had to say. I wish I had recorded it with my phone. I tried really hard not to laugh. Also there was too much singing(out of tune singing ofc).
I'm really glad that Estonia isn't much of a religious country. It's just impossible for me to believe in such crap.
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CaptainCox
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Had a Mormon Gfriend once. Dam did she give good blow...anyho. She did not even know that the Earth revolves around the sun. She was amazed when I explain it to her...not sure if she believed it, but she was one of the best in bed, did anything, REALLY!
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dumb girls generally do.
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I don't know about other people's experiences with religion, but i know that my experience has always been a positive one.
I'm a well educated guy from a pretty wealthy family so i definitely don't fit the stereotype of the poor uneducated religious person.
For me, the presense of a superior being is an obvious thing. I know for a fact that life isn't random, that there is no such thing as chance and that everybody has a destiny. Something is watching over us, something has made plans for us.
I know that when i do something wrong, something bad always follows and that no matter how bad things seam to be, they always work out for the better.
My parents taught me to never chase life, never to tie my happiness to something material, never to worry about the future. As long as i do good, good things will happen to me, and they always do.
Think what you want, but i believe in god and i know that my life is better for it 
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There's a big flaw in your life perception.
If as you say, as long as you do good things, good things must happen to you, then how come new born babies die, even though they haven't even had the chance to do bad things?
Or how come that many people that were known for being amazingly good people, died and suffered from lethal and horrible diseases.
My point is that your life perception is very naive.
Horrible things can happen to the most saint people, and it happens a lot unfortunately.
Some people explain that it's because that 'god's ways are too complex for us to understand, some people say that it's because they did bad things in their former lives, and I say it's all bullshit, there's no divine intervention and it's all random.
Some Rabbi even said that the Jews that died in the holocaust (including the babies) died because they were sinners in their former lives. (Talking about religious retards)
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| compubrain3000 wrote: |
For me, the presense of a superior being is an obvious thing. I know for a fact that life isn't random, that there is no such thing as chance and that everybody has a destiny. Something is watching over us, something has made plans for us.
I know that when i do something wrong, something bad always follows and that no matter how bad things seam to be, they always work out for the better.
My parents taught me to never chase life, never to tie my happiness to something material, never to worry about the future. As long as i do good, good things will happen to me, and they always do.
Think what you want, but i believe in god and i know that my life is better for it |
ummm errrrrr umm aye ?
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X_Dror btw how many non religious people are there in Israel... i imagine there can not be many ??
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Actually most of the people are not religious. Of course that most of the people here do the basic things such as eating Kosher, circumcision, Bar Mitzvas and etc. but they don't take religion too seriously. 1Million people (out of 7Million) are orthodox Jews (the ones that wear these black coats and really take it seriously) the others are religious moderates and non-religious. (Ofcourse you should take into account that another 1Million are arabs)
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Jan 2008 16:22 Post subject: |
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| X_Dror wrote: | There's a big flaw in your life perception.
If as you say, as long as you do good things, good things must happen to you, then how come new born babies die, even though they haven't even had the chance to do bad things?
Or how come that many people that were known for being amazingly good people, died and suffered from lethal and horrible diseases. |
Well, i'm talking from my own experience. It has always worked for me and for the people around me.
Maybe it's a matter of percepton. I know that in order for you to enjoy the good things in life, you must experience the bad. You just have to see the good even in the worst of situations. |
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Yes I agree with that. But if you're a good person it doesn't mean that bad things won't happen to you, I doesn't mean that you can evade death or some very harsh diseases either.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Jan 2008 16:45 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | X_Dror btw how many non religious people are there in Israel... i imagine there can not be many ?? |
There are 3 types of Jews when it comes to religion in Israel: the atheist who don't give a crap about religion, the "traditional" - those guys are open to the concept of god but their religious practice ends with celebrating the major holidays with the family(they do it for fun anyway), and the good old orthodox who live in a world where progression was put on hold sometime around the 18th century.
The first and second group are the vast majority and the third group usually live in their own small communities and those who don't mind their own business for most part. Of course there's always the exceptions but that's how things go for the most part in the central part if Israel.
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Personaly I havent noticed any intervention of divine power im my life and I havent seen anything unusual. Most religions are based on Sun [our god] and its zodiac or other planets etc. And I think in the future we will start worshiping alien messiah [aquarius] [scientology style]. So its a never ending story. To me all religious people are pathethic sheep I dont respect and I would like them to stfu. Thank you.
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The problem never has been religion, it's human fanatics.
anyone who will fully completely believe in something without
ever evaluating is probably mentally ill in some way.
Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider.
To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world.
In all your remembering, remember that you have choices
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| swingman wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: | | Think what you want, but i believe in god and i know that my life is better for it |
You're mixing up two different things there; god and religion. A common mistake. |
I know the difference, but you can't talk about god without talking about religion. Religion is the cumulative knowledge of humans' search for god. |
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religion got to the way it was through greed, corruption and control.. thats what its always been about... churches getting rich, having all the power they could want, control of the masses - stay in line, do as your told, dont rebel, you shall be rewarded... but realistically what has it given us in the end? nothing but wars and people thinking themselves better than others...
religion is the biggest threat to the world, its the most dangerous thing there is, yet we allow it so casually... we get all up in arms over guns, drugs and violent games... they havent done even a fraction of the damage religion has, continues to do, and will do in the future...
religion pretends to preach tolerance and kindness, but all it REALLY does in society is create division, and promote hatred of anything that does not think and act the way that you want them too... and thats religion in general, not any one particular faith.
its a dangerous control mechanism... do what i want you to do, because god commands it... and people blindly follow... and its everywhere, not just some desert on the other side of the world... its in your town right now, people that look just like you.. tell me that isnt the scariest thing in the world...
and im sure that the christians or whatever peeople here will tell me how wrong i am, and what utter bullshit propaganda rubbish im ranting on about etc etc etc but to be honest.. i wouldnt expect them to say any different.. given how strongly they believe in their own righteousness, how could we expect them to ever see another point of view or accept any other way of thinking... its like expecting a terrorist bomber or any other 'killer for god' to accept that they're doing something wrong and bad... it just wont happen, theyre so deeply 'into' it that any other point of view is simply not tolerable....
...which, when you think about it, is the fundamental PROBLEM with religion to begin with...
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| Twitchy wrote: | The only thing worse than someone pushing their beliefs on other people, are Athiests who go out of their way to tell people why their religion is a load of shit  . Let people believe what they want, if it brings a positive impact on thier lives then I am happy for them.
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It's a sad fact but forcefully most of us have to agree on this. I personally have a huge eagerness to talk about the complexity of the problem.
God and religion as a whole is and was the best business idea of all time, hats off to the guy who made up the plan to charge taxes, gifts and power in trade of speeches, kind words and forgiving "sins".. *laugh*. The word Church was more like Cash in its good old days.
The basis of your common defensive reply "let people believe what they want to believe" is good and i agree on it, to the point when this belief is spread into others forcefully. Dont get me wrong tho,I truely adore the way the church helps the poor and supplies mental support to those in need, but sadly thats as far as i like it. Altho this can be done by a goverment funded organization aswell...
Religion is basically the biggest hinderance and danger to our future/evolution. The way islam, hinduism, christianity etc teach a massive part of earths population about false laws of nature, prohibits huge amounts of important knowledge of the surrounding world and controls their way of life entirely in some cases, a boy in afganistan studies the Koran for 10 years of his life, imagine what else he could do in that 10 years.
This ^ u can live with without getting too angry if it doesnt happen in your family/country, but the hate and violence religion spreads across the globe is what makes me mad, atleast 90% of all wars are a result of religious conflicts, racisms, distortion, you name it.
Well needa stop babbling anyway, whats my solution to this problem... all i can say is if children could be raised to their teens without the influence of brainwashin parents, ibet u couldnt find anyone on earth after 120 years who'd be believing in muhammad or jeesus. Adults should make the decision what they believe or what they dont, not 4 year olds raised in some redneck god is everything family. And without bashing that redneck, if only his parents wouldnt have brainwashed him, he could watch the world as it is, and find his spirituality by his own ways, like each and everyone of us should.
If u didnt bother reading it all, my point is basically, religion on personal level can bring good, but in a global scale its our worst nightmare.
i just have to thank god i wasnt born into a religious family, so i can think freely about the world 
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