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 Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 14:03 Post subject: AMD Now Worth Less Than What It Paid For ATI |
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| Quote: | AMD reached its lowest share price for more than four years last week and, as a result, its market value dropped to around US$5 billion – that's $400 million less than it paid for ATI in July 2006.
Intel, AMD’s major competitor in the CPU business, has been on a roll for the past 18 months and is now worth around US$162 billion, which makes the chip giant more than 32 times the size of AMD in monetary terms.
Even worse for AMD is that its partner-cum-archrival, Nvidia, has a market cap of around $19 billion, which makes it almost four times as valuable as the struggling platform company.
It’s fair to say things haven’t been going well for AMD since the middle of last year, as its two major rivals launched products that remain largely uncontested even today. Neither the Core 2 Extreme QX6700 nor the GeForce 8800 GTX have been truly surpassed in terms of performance yet and it’s not going to happen until next year.
There are no two ways about it: the Phenom launch was a disappointment. This was largely down to the fact that the company found an erratum in the L3 cache Translation Lookup Buffer, which could cause serious system instabilities in certain scenarios and it prevented the company from launching a 2.4GHz Phenom CPU at the eleventh. AMD issued a TLB fix to motherboard manufacturers to implement into their BIOSes and when the results for the TLB fix came out, it wasn’t pretty.
This wasn’t all that disappointed us about the Phenom launch though, as AMD also prevented all but a select few publications from running their own independent benchmarks on the new CPUs before the launch. I don’t think there was any malice in that choice personally, but it didn’t really help AMD’s street cred when, come launch day, reviews were few and far between.
It’s not all doom and gloom though, because I consider the Radeon HD 3800-series’ launch to have been a success, even though there is a shortage of hardware in the channel at the moment.
Let’s hope that AMD’s fortunes in 2008 change for the better because as an industry we need AMD to continue to innovate and deliver great choice to consumers. In recent times, we wouldn’t have had great products like the GeForce 8800 and Core 2, if it wasn' for AMD's forward-thinking innovations like the Athlon 64 and Radeon X1900-series, which were class leading products at their time of introduction (and continued to be class-leading for much of their lives). |
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 Well, surprise surprise, they keep targeting low with their hardware (CPU and GPU) and what do they actually expect to reach? |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 14:18 Post subject: |
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It hurts me to see that AMD has fallen so low... I always preferred AMD more than Intel, but now... I guess it's dual core do more with intel... 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 15:05 Post subject: |
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Well I would like to see sth interesting from AMD, but I don't think that will happen. Aside from that, it would be nice if there would be some more CPU, and graphic card producers. The competition always push the progress 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 15:30 Post subject: |
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Sadly but true! If only Intels CPUs would cost as AMD now... what a wonderful world would that be...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 15:45 Post subject: |
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I don't know if you know this one but: ATI cards are like buses... They're big, red and have bad drivers 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 15:52 Post subject: |
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Why would they drop their prices when there's no competition to their products? Intel are not evil (), just no competition. Back when A64 showed up and were fantastic products, Intel did reduce prices on the crappy P4/PD/C ( and whatever in between). But since, everything AMD has shown CPU/GPU has been crap when compared to the high-end products of the competitors.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 15:54 Post subject: |
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Yes that's true, there is no reason because they are not threaten by AMD, but a little price cut wouldn't hurt (imh)
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2007 15:58 Post subject: |
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Hah, I say make everything free, that wouldn't hurt anyone 
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 16:16 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | I don't know if you know this one but: ATI cards are like buses... They're big, red and have bad drivers |
hahahahahaahahahaha
best single-sentence ati-bashing i have seen 
I was always happy with the amd/nvidia combo, so i didnt understand why amd didnt buy nvidia back than instead of ati =) |
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Dec 2007 19:27 Post subject: |
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Look what happened to ati when amd bought it... but then again maybe we would have cool ati cards, and crappy nvidia
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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i still hope for the best. The combination of cpu and gfx manufacturer could be synergetic, so if amd survives the next months, it could get interesting again. And the phenom doesnt look that bad on paper so newer versions may still deliver some punch
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I guess we have to wait and see
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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