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z00mer
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 Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 18:24 Post subject: Do you think we'll run out of fossil fuels (oil) soon? |
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I heard on the news today that gas prices are rising without an end in sight. Isn't oil like $80 a barrel now?
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 18:41 Post subject: |
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Y price will rise,y it will run out very soon. Why do you think youre country attacked Iraq? They are harvesting oil for storing so when oil runs out youre country will continue its production. Thats the theory but the way things are turning out i dont think there will be much shit that americans own so it will be useless.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 18:43 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | i dont think there will be much shit that americans own so it will be useless. |
We'll own just about every country and their toilets if our government keeps sticking their noses in business where it doesn't belong  Fuckin retards.
You can mainly blame the lack of oil on Bush and car companies.
Bush - Has gotten our economy so damn shitty we have to drive an hour from home just to get to work.
Car Companies - Is it really necessary to have that big of an SUV for general purposes? |
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 18:48 Post subject: |
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well, we got one hell of a replacement.
Water or air.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 19:27 Post subject: |
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The studies says that we'll run out of oil in approximately 100 years... We'll all be dead by then so why care? There are great possibilities that we'll invent some new fuel, even now we have various(thought not that effective) replacements such as ethanol, solar power, water, and I personally lay hopes on hydrogen fuel. The thing is: when we run out of oil we'll find sth out... Thats how we work... 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Cohen
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 19:38 Post subject: |
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They invented hydrogen powered cars (easily made and plentiful substance with no pollution) didnt they? but the idea was bought and destroyed by Shell, i think. The gigantic fuel companies dont want to go out of business.
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Nakitu
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Cohen
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 20:01 Post subject: |
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Im willing to bet significantly that the US already possesses limitless, emission free fuel solutions and just haven't said anything yet. In fact, i'm positive.
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 20:08 Post subject: |
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Oh one more thing. In 10y Oil will cost so much that only the richest will be able to afford to drive cars ( i like that very much) and products will cost so much that most people wont be able to buy them ( i dont like this). Most people are to retarded to see this so there is no hope of changing this facts until its to late. All countries should start with alternative power supplies TODAY so that in 10y everyone will be used to it. Scandinavia FTW.
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 20:09 Post subject: |
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| watergem wrote: | | Im willing to bet significantly that the US already possesses limitless, emission free fuel solutions and just haven't said anything yet. In fact, i'm positive. |
Because.............?
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Cohen
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 22:38 Post subject: |
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Run out of oil never. Run out of cheap oil, yes it could happen in our lifetimes.
A well i drill today, will produce for 20-40 year easy, and it probably will never actually stop producing oil, it will just start producing so much water, that the disposal costs outweigh the revenue gained.
But the funny thing is, you can create hydrocarbons synthetically but presently its cheaper to drill for "free" oil, vs manufacture your own.
Hydrogen cars, are you kidding me, have you ever seen a hydrogen bomb go off. Oil companies didn't crush this idea, safety did. Might as well use nuclear cars.
We will never run out of oil from a science perspective, but there will be alternative energy sources used before all the "easy" oil is used up. And the next energy transition will not be nice, or easy. There is no easy transition.
A good book to read by a man i highly respect is called "A Thousand Barrels a Second"
Mark my words, in less than 5 years, we will see $200+ barrels of oil. Or even greater. Chinas demand is growing everyday at an alarming pace, and soon Pakistan will not be too far off.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Nov 2007 22:50 Post subject: |
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Hydrogen fuel has nothing to do with hydrogen bomb... Hydrogen bomb is called that way because when it detonates it makes hydrogen transform into helium, that process happens on sun and is called fusion, as I have read that's nothing like hydrogen in cars... but the oil will be one (and is) of the biggest problems in the world, and we must try to overcome it. Sadly, politicians don't care for the benefit of others, they only think on their own asses...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Cohen
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007 00:50 Post subject: |
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My Red rollerblades > your Yellow bike.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007 02:05 Post subject: |
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No. The entire Peak Oil Theory was presented for political/strategic reasons. In other words it's bullshit.
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007 10:54 Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | | No. The entire Peak Oil Theory was presented for political/strategic reasons. In other words it's bullshit. |
Can you plz explain what you meant with this because i dont get it. Tnx.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007 18:37 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | | No. The entire Peak Oil Theory was presented for political/strategic reasons. In other words it's bullshit. |
Can you plz explain what you meant with this because i dont get it. Tnx. |
Without going into insane depth, I believe Oil is plentiful - taking into account what is discovered, refinery capacity and transportation.
It's all about Control and Power. "Peak Oil" is just a charade to justify the escalation of supply restrictions, price increases, wars/terrorism etc. By doing all of this you control the worlds economy.
What pisses me off most is anytime "Bush" + "Election" are put together it = "Cheap Gas at the Pump" here in the US.
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007 18:57 Post subject: |
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Ok tnx for clearing this up. This is youre opinion and i respect it but i cant agree with you.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007 19:04 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | Ok tnx for clearing this up. This is youre opinion and i respect it but i cant agree with you. |
No Problem.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007 19:39 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | Y price will rise,y it will run out very soon. Why do you think youre country attacked Iraq? They are harvesting oil for storing so when oil runs out youre country will continue its production. Thats the theory but the way things are turning out i dont think there will be much shit that americans own so it will be useless. |
Just another opinion from me here:
The plainly obvious justification for the war which you have laid out minus the storing part (which makes no sense) isn't why the US invaded.
In 99-01 the World had the largest currency reform, where the states of the European Union all converted their currency to the Euro, abandoning what they previously used. They chose the Euro because it has higher interest rates while at the same time does not have a huge foreign debt. Also all the members of the EU also adopt super strict constraints on budget deficits. Soon after that Central Banks across different countries started partially converting their reserves from Dollars to Euros (China, Russia, ETC.) . This further strengthend the Euro putting pressure on all the remaining countries in the region to adopt.
Because most of these countries originally preffered the dollar over the euro because the dollar buys oil, these countries now exporting in Euros causes a increase in demand for that type of money and in turn increases it's value substantially.
So as we speak the Euro is becoming a global currency, at the same level as the Dollar. Central banks begin to sell down their dollar reserves. This causes for the USA and it's currency::
-The value of the $ to fall drastically
-Property values decline
-Stock Market decline
-Actual prices of goods will drop FASTER then the $ since it's already lost value
-Increase in exports due to lack of off shore investment
-Higher interest rates
-And of course more expensive oil
What's this have to do with the War? The first country to go public about it's disinterest in the Dollar was Iran followed by Iraq, both countries converting their reserves to Euros. It was called "Oil for Food" and of course the Iraq portion of it was not broadcasted on US news.
Soon after they are "The Axis of Evil" according to Bushes speaches, that year.
We are there to preserve the US dollar and I suppose economy, not necessarily for oil.
What we have yet to see that will prove this is if the new Iraqi regime continues to use Euros to purchase it's imports. It won't surprise me that it's all of a sudden Dollars being used.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007 17:52 Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | | Nakitu wrote: | | KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | | No. The entire Peak Oil Theory was presented for political/strategic reasons. In other words it's bullshit. |
Can you plz explain what you meant with this because i dont get it. Tnx. |
Without going into insane depth, I believe Oil is plentiful - taking into account what is discovered, refinery capacity and transportation.
It's all about Control and Power. "Peak Oil" is just a charade to justify the escalation of supply restrictions, price increases, wars/terrorism etc. By doing all of this you control the worlds economy.
What pisses me off most is anytime "Bush" + "Election" are put together it = "Cheap Gas at the Pump" here in the US. |
Oh yeah oil is plentiful. It's just that after about 50 years the only oil left will be at such a great depth it'll cost more time and money to extract it then is practical.
It's the US thats in the most trouble with regards to this anyway. Most of the UN member countries are already working on alternative fuel sources along with the reduced carbon emission initiative.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007 18:07 Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | | minus the storing part (which makes no sense) |
What doesnt make sense? Storing oil so when it runs out you can still fund youre economy? Every country in the world does it but America attacked other country for it. There are like million explanations why America attacked and the one i said has proof all around. First thing they did is, started repairing oil rigs, harvested oil,shipped it to America. Freedom fighters attacked them all the time until they made defenses for it.
| Quote: | Nobody really knows how much crude oil is being stolen by corrupt corrupt Iraqi and U.S. officials because, four years after the invasion, the oil meters haven’t been fixed.
The line of ships at the Al Basra Oil Terminal (ABOT) stretches south to the horizon, patiently waiting in the searing heat of the Northern Arabian Gulf as four giant supertankers load up. Close by, two more tankers fill up at the smaller Khawr Al Amaya Oil Terminal (KAAOT). Guarding both terminals are dozens of heavily-armed U.S. Navy troops and Iraqi Marines who live on the platforms.
These two offshore terminals, a maze of pipes and precarious metal walkways, deliver some 1.6 million barrels of crude oil, at least 85 percent of Iraq’s output, to buyers from all over the world. If the southern oil fields are the heart of Iraq’s economy, its main arteries are three 40-plus inch pipelines that stretch some 52 miles from Iraq’s wells to the ports.
Heavily armed soldiers spend their days at the oil terminals scanning the horizon looking for suicide bombers and stray fishing dhows (boats). Meanwhile, right under their noses, smugglers are suspected to be diverting an estimated billions of dollars worth of crude onto tankers because the oil metering system that is supposed monitor how much crude flows into and out of ABOT and KAAOT — has not worked since the March 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Officials blame the four-year delay in repairing the relatively simple system on “security problems.” Others point to the failed efforts of the two U.S. companies hired to repair the southern oil fields, fix the two terminals, and the meters: Halliburton of Houston, Texas, and Parsons of Pasadena, California.
Iraq pumped 3.5M barrels daily before Bush invaded and then they got their 2003 Halliburton upgrade
Exxon made $10B profit in 90 days
$100M a day - all profit - because Bush started a fake war |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007 22:06 Post subject: |
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It makes no sense because at the current rate of oil consumption per nation, storing would have an incredibly negative effect.
#1 United States: 20,730,000 bbl/day
#2 China: 6,534,000 bbl/day
#3 Japan: 5,578,000 bbl/day
#4 Germany: 2,650,000 bbl/day
#5 Russia: 2,500,000 bbl/day
#6 India: 2,450,000 bbl/day
#7 Canada: 2,294,000 bbl/day
#8 Korea, South: 2,149,000 bbl/day
#9 Brazil: 2,100,000 bbl/day
#10 France: 1,970,000 bbl/day
Also the preservation of US monetary value + I suppose control of Oil exports from what is considered the largest oil reserve (Middle-East) were the reasoning behind the attack. I believe anything else can be passed off. But the US bending over backward in attempt to remain a super-power with a dwindling economy and a dollar on the verge of crashing in the near future is what I see as their primary reason. Think Pearl Harbor, but different. 
I'm not bashing what you said man, it's just that your explaination is over simplified.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007 22:11 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: | | Nakitu wrote: |
Can you plz explain what you meant with this because i dont get it. Tnx. |
Without going into insane depth, I believe Oil is plentiful - taking into account what is discovered, refinery capacity and transportation.
It's all about Control and Power. "Peak Oil" is just a charade to justify the escalation of supply restrictions, price increases, wars/terrorism etc. By doing all of this you control the worlds economy.
What pisses me off most is anytime "Bush" + "Election" are put together it = "Cheap Gas at the Pump" here in the US. |
Oh yeah oil is plentiful. It's just that after about 50 years the only oil left will be at such a great depth it'll cost more time and money to extract it then is practical.
It's the US thats in the most trouble with regards to this anyway. Most of the UN member countries are already working on alternative fuel sources along with the reduced carbon emission initiative. |
Yes, that could possibly be true. But what I'm saying is (This may sound crazy) that there is on a massive scale - Price Fixing. I believe the estimates, numbers, etc of the amount of oil and price to refine are all fabricated as a scare tactic for various reasons.
I can't believe their estimates, especially when Peak Oil was supposed to have occured what? 30 years ago during the embargo? There are all sorts of theories, some stating that Oil is at a constant rate replenished etc. All I'm saying is I don't believe 99% of the shit that's fed to us, the Oil Crisis being something so blantantly obvious as a manipulation tool.
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) according the the information i've seen its aprox 40-50 years left of fossile fuels. This could ofc explain why US keep fighting to keep the big oil countries under control. Who wouldnt wanna have some power over it?
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