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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 22:41    Post subject:
Haha.
Halo2 graphics beats doom3 graphics? umm yeah sure Smile

Try playing doom3 as it was MEANT to be played and come back and say the same pal Wink
Why is it that so many xbox owners need to whine and compare graphics to a FAR superior platform (the pc) when it comes to graphics?
Its just insane.
It was the same with Halo when that was out. I have also seen the same comments about Riddick.

It's so dumb and truly shows lack of knowledge.

edit: I'm possitive that we will see comments like "man halo2 owns HL2 in graphics" when hl2 gets out since its a similiar game Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 22:52    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
Haha.
Halo2 graphics beats doom3 graphics? umm yeah sure Smile

Try playing doom3 as it was MEANT to be played and come back and say the same pal Wink
Why is it that so many xbox owners need to whine and compare graphics to a FAR superior platform (the pc) when it comes to graphics?
Its just insane.
It was the same with Halo when that was out. I have also seen the same comments about Riddick.

It's so dumb and truly shows lack of knowledge.

edit: I'm possitive that we will see comments like "man halo2 owns HL2 in graphics" when hl2 gets out since its a similiar game Smile


If you look at the cost vs performance of the pc vs console, it really is quite impressive to see games like halo 2 run and look that good. It is after all only a 700 mhz pIII that runs the shit on a modified gf 3.


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lacitpo




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:03    Post subject:
where is everyone getting this. None of my regular sites have any word of this and it's pissing me off.
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RMFX




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:04    Post subject:
lacitpo wrote:
where is everyone getting this. None of my regular sites have any word of this and it's pissing me off.

I got mine from the tooth fairy. I don't know where the rest of the guys got theirs though.
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lacitpo




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:08    Post subject:
fun, noob bashing. I understand it's out on newsgroups, and a few torrent sites I think. I'm just confused because I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:12    Post subject:
how did you guys extract?My comp only let's me extract 4 gb's or less without going into fat32.....and i don't want to do that
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BruteForce170




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:22    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
Haha.
Halo2 graphics beats doom3 graphics? umm yeah sure Smile

Try playing doom3 as it was MEANT to be played and come back and say the same pal Wink
Why is it that so many xbox owners need to whine and compare graphics to a FAR superior platform (the pc) when it comes to graphics?
Its just insane.
It was the same with Halo when that was out. I have also seen the same comments about Riddick.

It's so dumb and truly shows lack of knowledge.

edit: I'm possitive that we will see comments like "man halo2 owns HL2 in graphics" when hl2 gets out since its a similiar game Smile


honestly? because halo 2 experience is far superior on a 50" HDTV/home theater than D3 was on my sys @ 1600 HQ (a64, nv40, thx sound...).

while D3 is certainly "technically" suprerior (sharper textures, superior lighting, more intricate environment, etc.) the overall immersion is far better on the console (other than having to use a console controller). graphically it's simply more impressive than D3 on a pc.

frankly, D3 is far superior to HL2 in terms of gfx, tho i'm sure HL2 will offer better physics & hopefully much better gameplay.
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RMFX




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:25    Post subject:
You're dreaming.
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BruteForce170




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:27    Post subject:
RMFX wrote:
You're dreaming.


you might be right. perhaps i'm giving D3 more credit than it deservers, but i would rather err by giving it a little too much credit than not enough.
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Oct 2004 23:47    Post subject:
CraweN wrote:
pallebrun wrote:
Haha.
Halo2 graphics beats doom3 graphics? umm yeah sure Smile

Try playing doom3 as it was MEANT to be played and come back and say the same pal Wink
Why is it that so many xbox owners need to whine and compare graphics to a FAR superior platform (the pc) when it comes to graphics?
Its just insane.
It was the same with Halo when that was out. I have also seen the same comments about Riddick.

It's so dumb and truly shows lack of knowledge.

edit: I'm possitive that we will see comments like "man halo2 owns HL2 in graphics" when hl2 gets out since its a similiar game Smile


If you look at the cost vs performance of the pc vs console, it really is quite impressive to see games like halo 2 run and look that good. It is after all only a 700 mhz pIII that runs the shit on a modified gf 3.


Ofcourse it is but what does that have to do with anything?
When you compare something you compare it the best way and not half assed as he did with doom3.
Both games shuld be played at their maximum capacity period. If you do this Halo2 doesnt even come close to the graphics of any next generation pc game, its simple impossible with the hardware in the xbox.
Anyone would understand that.
And therefor its incredible idiotic to compare xbox games to pc games in terms of graphics.

It's one thing to compare the cost of the two platforms and then look at what the systems can do for the cost (In this case the xbox would own the pc without a doubt) but thats not what he did. He compared graphics regardless of hardware limitations and nothing else.

BruteForce170 what you are talking about is not graphics. It's the game feeling and that is a totally different thing and it's something that isnt limited to the hardware. Smile
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AzerPhire




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:03    Post subject:
I'd have to say from what I have seen of Doom 3, Half Life 2 and Halo 2 that Halo 2 not only holds its own but also looks better than the 2 Pc titles.

For one Halo 2 does enourmous outdoor environments with lots of objects, characters and vehicles that all have complex AI or physics.

Doom 3 only did small indoor environments and Half Life 2 well nothing I have seen from HL2 is even remotly next generation in terms of technology so I wouldn't even compare it.

So to say Halo 2 has nothing on "next gen Pc" games is ridiculous because there has not been 1 Pc Game that can do such large and detailed outdoor environments all while having compelx AI and vehicles with good physics in it like Halo 2 can.
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:14    Post subject:
AzerPhire wrote:
I'd have to say from what I have seen of Doom 3, Half Life 2 and Halo 2 that Halo 2 not only holds its own but also looks better than the 2 Pc titles.

For one Halo 2 does enourmous outdoor environments with lots of objects, characters and vehicles that all have complex AI or physics.

Doom 3 only did small indoor environments and Half Life 2 well nothing I have seen from HL2 is even remotly next generation in terms of technology so I wouldn't even compare it.

So to say Halo 2 has nothing on "next gen Pc" games is ridiculous because there has not been 1 Pc Game that can do such large and detailed outdoor environments all while having compelx AI and vehicles with good physics in it like Halo 2 can.


Are you stupid? Does Farcry ring a bell when talking about HUGE outdoor enviroments?

Geez i wont even bother anymore. I will just get frustrated.
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dryan
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:14    Post subject:
One major advantage of consoles that is rarely talked about is the fact that developers know exactly how to use the hardware to the maximum once the console has been around for a few years. This is why you get games like Halo 2 which look pretty good considering the fact it runs on an xbox.

I think Doom 3 looked better than Halo 2 but that is understandable considering the fact you needed pretty decent hardware to get it looking good. Halo 2 is the best looking game I've seen on the xbox by far.

Regarding the actual gameplay, it's great. I can't wait for an English audio version because I'd like to know what the hell cortana and the marines are saying to me but, apart from that, it's great fun to play and builds upon the original perfectly.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:24    Post subject:
dryan wrote:

I think Doom 3 looked better than Halo 2 but that is understandable considering the fact you needed pretty decent hardware to get it looking good.


I'm proud of my POS system. Ran Doom 3 at high quality at 1280x1024 with everything on at a somewhat playable FPS. Very Happy
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dryan
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:26    Post subject:
Bungie have released a statement regarding the leak

http://www.bungie.net/News/Story.aspx?link=CABA3088-9E1B-49A3-A74D-77A67E324180


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:30    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:


Are you stupid? Does Farcry ring a bell when talking about HUGE outdoor enviroments?

Geez i wont even bother anymore. I will just get frustrated.


Now you know how I feel everytime you bash Halo. Wink


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TGD




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:32    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
Haha.
Halo2 graphics beats doom3 graphics? umm yeah sure Smile

Try playing doom3 as it was MEANT to be played and come back and say the same pal Wink
Why is it that so many xbox owners need to whine and compare graphics to a FAR superior platform (the pc) when it comes to graphics?
Its just insane.
It was the same with Halo when that was out. I have also seen the same comments about Riddick.

It's so dumb and truly shows lack of knowledge.

edit: I'm possitive that we will see comments like "man halo2 owns HL2 in graphics" when hl2 gets out since its a similiar game Smile


Umm pc far better gaming platform? ROTFL...tell me what games are on the pc that totally blow out what we've seen on the xbox? Nothing!!! Buddy get a grip and stop the crying because our little xbox can keep up with current pc tech and xbox is how many years old? Also it seems you dont know jack about the diffrence between developing games on a pc platform compared to an console platform neither..i wont get into details but there is a reason why a little xbox can produce graphics that rival a 2000 dollar pc set up.....go read up on it dweeb.

Its funny how pc zombies get all fired up when someone makes a remark in how some xbox games look as good as any high end pc..minus the high rez of course but seriously..some pc gamers are just so F'n stupid LOL


xbox platform has one set of spec developers have to develope for. Pc dev's have to develop for multi set up's pc's have. Also pc platform is hampered by their OS and other things running that bog it down unlike consoles. This is why a xbox can produce such visuals that rival pc.

Also IDsoftware has said Doom3 on the xbox will have NO VISUALS downgraded besides the RESOLUTION>.other then that its running with HIGH SETTINGS as like what doom3 runs with high settings on PC!!!!!

Hmmm..... think your wrong buddy!!! lol

By the way my pc specs:

athlon64 @2.5ghz
1gb corsair ram -ddr400@430mhz
gigabyte K8n Pro
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CraweN




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:40    Post subject:
dryan wrote:
Bungie have released a statement regarding the leak

http://www.bungie.net/News/Story.aspx?link=CABA3088-9E1B-49A3-A74D-77A67E324180


try reading some of the responses that people posted in the "discuss this story". God man, those guys are going mental.


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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:40    Post subject:
TGD wrote:
pallebrun wrote:
Haha.
Halo2 graphics beats doom3 graphics? umm yeah sure Smile

Try playing doom3 as it was MEANT to be played and come back and say the same pal Wink
Why is it that so many xbox owners need to whine and compare graphics to a FAR superior platform (the pc) when it comes to graphics?
Its just insane.
It was the same with Halo when that was out. I have also seen the same comments about Riddick.

It's so dumb and truly shows lack of knowledge.

edit: I'm possitive that we will see comments like "man halo2 owns HL2 in graphics" when hl2 gets out since its a similiar game Smile


Umm pc far better gaming platform? ROTFL...tell me what games are on the pc that totally blow out what we've seen on the xbox? Nothing!!! Buddy get a grip and stop the crying because our little xbox can keep up with current pc tech and xbox is how many years old? Also it seems you dont know jack about the diffrence between developing games on a pc platform compared to an console platform neither..i wont get into details but there is a reason why a little xbox can produce graphics that rival a 2000 dollar pc set up.....go read up on it dweeb.

Its funny how pc zombies get all fired up when someone makes a remark in how some xbox games look as good as any high end pc..minus the high rez of course but seriously..some pc gamers are just so F'n stupid LOL


xbox platform has one set of spec developers have to develope for. Pc dev's have to develop for multi set up's pc's have. Also pc platform is hampered by their OS and other things running that bog it down unlike consoles. This is why a xbox can produce such visuals that rival pc.

Also IDsoftware has said Doom3 on the xbox will have NO VISUALS downgraded besides the RESOLUTION>.other then that its running with HIGH SETTINGS as like what doom3 runs with high settings on PC!!!!!

Hmmm..... think your wrong buddy!!! lol

By the way my pc specs:

athlon64 @2.5ghz
1gb corsair ram -ddr400@430mhz
gigabyte K8n Pro
9800 Pro aiw


Lord you are stupid.
I didnt write that the pc is a superior gaming platform, I wrote that its a superior platform in terms of GRAPHICS.
If you dont understand english dont reply, I dont want to repeat myself.

The xbox is problary great as a gaming platform, no questions about that, but thats not what this was about. Rolling Eyes

And no the xbox version wont look as good as the pc version (Much more things is changed and not just the resolution) because the xbox version doesnt have the hardware to do it. Look at the screens for crying out loud.

Geez are all xbox geeks this dumb? Smile


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chutneylad




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:42    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
AzerPhire wrote:
I'd have to say from what I have seen of Doom 3, Half Life 2 and Halo 2 that Halo 2 not only holds its own but also looks better than the 2 Pc titles.

For one Halo 2 does enourmous outdoor environments with lots of objects, characters and vehicles that all have complex AI or physics.

Doom 3 only did small indoor environments and Half Life 2 well nothing I have seen from HL2 is even remotly next generation in terms of technology so I wouldn't even compare it.

So to say Halo 2 has nothing on "next gen Pc" games is ridiculous because there has not been 1 Pc Game that can do such large and detailed outdoor environments all while having compelx AI and vehicles with good physics in it like Halo 2 can.


Are you stupid? Does Farcry ring a bell when talking about HUGE outdoor enviroments?

Geez i wont even bother anymore. I will just get frustrated.





Pc Geeks ( And I'm one of them ! ) always have to try and justify to the world why they spent all that extra money on their pc's. Grow up and try and remember the last time you played a top notch game on console or PC with your REAL mates at home !
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:45    Post subject:
Me a pc geek?
I'm a PS2 fan. I dont even own a top of the line pc, only a basic xp3200 with 512mb ram and a gf4.

My writing is from a technical point of view and have nothing to do with fanboyism.

Ohwell, i wont bother anymore. I have learned that if someone dont want to be tought dont bother trying to teach them Smile
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dryan
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:51    Post subject:
If anyone didn't notice you can see the current objectives when you pause the game.

It makes the French thing slightly less annoying.


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CraweN




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 00:57    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
TGD wrote:
pallebrun wrote:
Haha.
Halo2 graphics beats doom3 graphics? umm yeah sure Smile

Try playing doom3 as it was MEANT to be played and come back and say the same pal Wink
Why is it that so many xbox owners need to whine and compare graphics to a FAR superior platform (the pc) when it comes to graphics?
Its just insane.
It was the same with Halo when that was out. I have also seen the same comments about Riddick.

It's so dumb and truly shows lack of knowledge.

edit: I'm possitive that we will see comments like "man halo2 owns HL2 in graphics" when hl2 gets out since its a similiar game Smile


Umm pc far better gaming platform? ROTFL...tell me what games are on the pc that totally blow out what we've seen on the xbox? Nothing!!! Buddy get a grip and stop the crying because our little xbox can keep up with current pc tech and xbox is how many years old? Also it seems you dont know jack about the diffrence between developing games on a pc platform compared to an console platform neither..i wont get into details but there is a reason why a little xbox can produce graphics that rival a 2000 dollar pc set up.....go read up on it dweeb.

Its funny how pc zombies get all fired up when someone makes a remark in how some xbox games look as good as any high end pc..minus the high rez of course but seriously..some pc gamers are just so F'n stupid LOL


xbox platform has one set of spec developers have to develope for. Pc dev's have to develop for multi set up's pc's have. Also pc platform is hampered by their OS and other things running that bog it down unlike consoles. This is why a xbox can produce such visuals that rival pc.

Also IDsoftware has said Doom3 on the xbox will have NO VISUALS downgraded besides the RESOLUTION>.other then that its running with HIGH SETTINGS as like what doom3 runs with high settings on PC!!!!!

Hmmm..... think your wrong buddy!!! lol

By the way my pc specs:

athlon64 @2.5ghz
1gb corsair ram -ddr400@430mhz
gigabyte K8n Pro
9800 Pro aiw


Lord you are stupid.
I didnt write that the pc is a superior gaming platform, I wrote that its a superior platform in terms of GRAPHICS.
If you dont understand english dont reply, I dont want to repeat myself.

The xbox is problary great as a gaming platform, no questions about that, but thats not what this was about. Rolling Eyes

And no the xbox version wont look as good as the pc version (Much more things is changed and not just the resolution) because the xbox version doesnt have the hardware to do it. Look at the screens for crying out loud.

Geez are all xbox geeks this dumb? Smile


one thing that hurts the xbox is its memory. I think it has 64 mb. which isn't nowhere near enough to run doom 3 at full galore without some loss in the texture department.


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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 01:04    Post subject:
Exactly CraweN.
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 01:04    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
Me a pc geek?
I'm a PS2 fan. I dont even own a top of the line pc, only a basic xp3200 with 512mb ram and a gf4.

My writing is from a technical point of view and have nothing to do with fanboyism.

Ohwell, i wont bother anymore. I have learned that if someone dont want to be tought dont bother trying to teach them Smile


WOW so there we have it ! The guy who would rather play on a shit PC or a PS2 than play Halo 2 instead !

p.s. If you expect any PC geek here to believe that DOOM 3 looks better on YOUR PC and runs as smoothly as HALO 2 does on HDD TV then you need your bumps feeling. Get over it mate spend another $400 on another graphics card and make yourself feel better !
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BruteForce170




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 01:05    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
Lord you are stupid.
I didnt write that the pc is a superior gaming platform, I wrote that its a superior platform in terms of GRAPHICS.
If you dont understand english dont reply, I dont want to repeat myself.

The xbox is problary great as a gaming platform, no questions about that, but thats not what this was about. Rolling Eyes

And no the xbox version wont look as good as the pc version (Much more things is changed and not just the resolution) because the xbox version doesnt have the hardware to do it. Look at the screens for crying out loud.

Geez are all xbox geeks this dumb? Smile


lmao.. umm.. yea, just like "halo for pc" looked so much better.. umm. yea.. those ps3 shaders really made a difference!

get a grip on reality.

higher res on a smaller screen is the only visual advantage the pc has.
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pallebrun




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 01:10    Post subject:
Seriously, you guys cant be any dumber Smile
No one have talked about the pc version of Halo as far as i know.

Like i said, i wont repeat myself anymore. I am skilled in the mather and do know what i'm talking about but if you dont want to listen then it's fine by me.

"shit PC or a PS2 than play Halo 2" <- I think this comment speaks for it self.
Come back when you guys have grown out of the fanboy deal so we can have a normal discussion.

Over and out Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 01:10    Post subject:
My Single Player Impressions:

Ok..first off having french voice only in single player really blows as alot of times you dont know what their saying. I hear you can turn english subs on in options some where so everything is subbed but i didnt bother..i only wanted to get a feel for the game and i will restart with english rls when it comes out.

Anyways, the graphics..some of the graphics are down right outstanding later in the chapters and at other times some of the textures seem only slightly better then the first halo1. Its a hit or miss when trying to talk about graphics for Halo2 because as i said some things will make your jaw drop wide open and at other times you dont get that. I think some of it is because of the corridor enviorments you start off in before you actually get to outdoor enviroments,etc and some of it is because we'v already enjoyed the initial explosion of new games using normal mapping,self shadowing lighting,etc with FarCry, Doom2,Riddick,etc but once you move on the graphics start to really take off and suck you into its atmsophere. Believe me, dont judge off the first chapter,etc..play it for a bit so you can see what im saying.

As i said later on you'll be more impressed with the visuals the more you go on..this is what i've noticed. Normal mapped textures, self shadowing lighting,etc are all there and look down right beautiful in some area's. Another thing i noticed is some characters are much more highly detailed then others..but then again, the charcters i wasnt so impressed with were the leaders that were wearing white garments.. Your soldiers and the enemy look down right impressive though..that i will say.

Weapons, man Halo2 has the best weapon feel i've ever felt playing a videogame. The controller rumbles perfectly for each weapon..a very authentic feel to each weapon you use, lots better feeling then the first Halo. Also the sound of the weapons are nasty...these baby make some very convincing sounds when your bust'n your gun...nice nice shit.

Controls are spot on! This was one of Halo1's highly appreciated things about the game, its controls are silky smooth and control very very well for a fps on a gamepad. Damn near perfect...

The level design..is awesome. At first its NOT..simply because you start off just like you did in Halo1 which was sorta weird lol and you fight in the same setting you did when you first played Halo1 but and this is a big BUT..this game visually is a masterpiece once you get further in the game..believe me you'll be impressed. Im not referring to graphics as a whole when im talking here, im referring to "Level design" of the enviorments..this is what is amazing and really sucks you into its world. Very large feeling and feels like a real world as you play..very nice indeed.

Also the game must have a new physic's engine as everything reacts like real world movement, alla farcry,Riddick,Doom3,half life 2 or let me just say Havoc Engine. The physics rock in this game.

Enemy AI is really what suprised me..this is one area i notice improvments in games from the start and Halo2's AI is fucking wicked...the enemy is clever as a human controlled player..wait and see what i mean, trust me you'll appreciate it.

I wont go any further as im still a few hours into the game but im gonna stop soon because the game itself isnt fun whatso ever when playing with French voice..this takes alot away from this game so wait for English rls of Halo2.

Overall im impressed..i cant say much for the story as it was in French voice but from what ive read via some subs..it looks like its no slouch and will be a blast to role play through. Much like the fist halo2...this game is heavely driven by the stellar story and from i can see..it continues halo's top notch story
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 01:16    Post subject:
Any idea how to turn on english subs for everything?


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Oct 2004 01:17    Post subject:
pallebrun wrote:
Seriously, you guys cant be any dumber Smile
No one have talked about the pc version of Halo as far as i know.

Like i said, i wont repeat myself anymore. I am skilled in the mather and do know what i'm talking about but if you dont want to listen then it's fine by me.

"shit PC or a PS2 than play Halo 2" <- I think this comment speaks for it self.
Come back when you guys have grown out of the fanboy deal so we can have a normal discussion.

Over and out Smile




Is your mommy typing this bull or what. p.s. Your PC IS shit ! Spend some more dollars or get used to it and shut up !
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