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Jenni
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Well thats just it. Fake or not the fact of the matter is he still took a young baby into a croc enclosure which is just madness.
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Macknu
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 13:47 Post subject: |
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Yeah so you're telling me he knows the risks and the child was in no danger?
Well if thats the case why is the fucking idiot dead?
Its simple. Because you can never totally predict what an animal is going to do. You do know that those animals can out run a human, especially one carrying a child.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 14:35 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Yeah so you're telling me he knows the risks and the child was in no danger?
Well if thats the case why is the fucking idiot dead?
Its simple. Because you can never totally predict what an animal is going to do. You do know that those animals can out run a human, especially one carrying a child. |
Exactly! The guy was an ace with animals - but no matter how good you are, you can never fully predict whats gonna happen.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 14:57 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Yeah so you're telling me he knows the risks and the child was in no danger?
Well if thats the case why is the fucking idiot dead?
Its simple. Because you can never totally predict what an animal is going to do. You do know that those animals can out run a human, especially one carrying a child. |
I think Steve Irvin was a total whackjob, but when it comes to crocodiles he knew what he was doing. He knows the instincts of the croc, how it works (it wants the piece of meat that he's enticing it with).
It's funny that you take a poorly manip'ed image that appears nowhere in the clip you showed and try and say "it's real". Jeez, you can't be that stupid, you just want it to be true so you'll have something to drama about.
Like you saw in the clip he's holding the baby far away from the croc, he's the one taking the brunt of the risk (and he did the same thing for all of his life pretty much, he's experienced with the situation).
As for the stinger in his heart, well first of all it was an animal that he has little or no experience with (unlike crocodiles). Secondly, Stingrays have killed two people in the history of mankind, so it's even less likely than getting hit by lightning.
Sure, he placed himself near the stingray, but so have thousands of previous filmers, and they're (stingrays) not exactly known for their aggressiveness.
I disagree with what he put his kid up to too, but I think you're overdramatising it like a proper DQ.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 15:20 Post subject: |
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So tell me then Dominae. If he was in so much control and the child wasn't in any danger whatsoever. Why did he a) apologise for the stunt and b) did Queensland change the laws to prevent children entering crocodile enclosures.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 15:21 Post subject: |
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pwnd!
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 16:50 Post subject: |
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i feel ashamed that this thread is the only active one in general chat over the last couple of days :/
dont we have more important things to chat about?
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 16:59 Post subject: |
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| KaiKo wrote: | i feel ashamed that this thread is the only active one in general chat over the last couple of days :/
dont we have more important things to chat about? |
Feel free to start a thread. I cant wait.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 17:02 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | I have to agree with Reg. I had a few arguments about Irwins death on the forums. I couldn't understand it. Be upset at someone you've never met who happened to die. |
This was all thanx to Murdoch australian-centered crap, this was everywhere within the worldwide Murdoch's press for a whole week while nobody gave a fuck. Never heard of the guy before his death and some simpsons episode where he was eaten by a crocodile.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 17:11 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | So tell me then Dominae. If he was in so much control and the child wasn't in any danger whatsoever. Why did he a) apologise for the stunt and b) did Queensland change the laws to prevent children entering crocodile enclosures. |
a) Because it was a media scandal all over the world.
b) The laws were changed due to that media scandal.
If you honestly believe that either a or b would've happened without the press, then you're as deluded as Steve was.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 18:12 Post subject: |
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I see so it didn't have anything to do with the dangers of letting children into enclosures of wild animals?
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 18:31 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | I see so it didn't have anything to do with the dangers of letting children into enclosures of wild animals? |
If that kid is supposed to become a non-whineass emo, being overpretected by some army of guardians of morality I think it's necessary that it learns who it can trust, and who it cannot. I can spurt a lot of bad commentary about Steve Irvings behavior, and the only reason that this media rage happened was because he was such a camwhore, but he knew crocodiles like few (if any). The kid was his, he loved his children - even if the croc had attacked him (oh yeah, because he's the complete nubcakes who didn't know how to handle himself (like you would make him out to be)) it would've been his first serious accident. If he was the inexperienced handler you make him out to be, he would've been dead in his 20's.
The kid isn't in danger because there's a guy who knows crocs holding him. Steve Irving didn't die to a croc, ever, because he had learnt how they behaved his entire life (taught by his own dad).
What I agree with is that he was a stupid tard camwhore who should've had better judgment than to do what he did - in terms of knowing that people are brainless chickens and sheep who believe all they read and go drama-queen everywhere they can because they lead such empty lives.
By the way, did his kid even get close to getting hurt?
Did it get hurt at all?
How close do you think the kid is to death in that situation? Since you're the expert here.
I would say that there's a better chance of the kid getting struck by lightning than getting hurt by a croc in that very situation.
And I wouldn't doubt you'd be there to blame Steve for holding the kid too high in the air, even though the sky at the time was clear.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 19:00 Post subject: |
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Christ sake. Don't you realise that you CANNOT predict what an animal will do in any given situation. Be it wild, domesticated, flying in the sky or fucking living in trees. Have you never heard of a farmer getting killed by his livestock. I have a few times. We're talking about old grizzley farmers who have done nothing else since they were children. Being around cattle is second nature to them, they're almost born to it. Yet every so ofter you still hear about them being trampled or what ever. Its like these expert drivers or riders. Every so often they're killed. Because you can't predict with absolute certainty anything that may or maynot happen
Did the kid even get close to being hurt. Well probably not, but does that make it alright to put the child in increased danger? Of course its not. He took an unnecessary risk where he had no right to.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 19:08 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Christ sake. Don't you realise that you CANNOT predict what an animal will do in any given situation. Be it wild, domesticated, flying in the sky or fucking living in trees. Have you never heard of a farmer getting killed by his livestock. I have a few times. We're talking about old grizzley farmers who have done nothing else since they were children. Being around cattle is second nature to them, they're almost born to it. Yet every so ofter you still hear about them being trampled or what ever. Its like these expert drivers or riders. Every so often they're killed. Because you can't predict with absolute certainty anything that may or maynot happen
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You are taking the same risk every time you drive with a child in the car.
| Reg67 wrote: | I think some of you misinterpreted my comments - If a kid gets abducted and killed by some evil bastard then yes of course its a tradgedy and we all feel extremely sad.. If yet another train crash happens over here because rail-track will not spend any money on maintanance. We feel sad and extremely angry because it could have been averted so easily..
However if some parasite whom none of us knew,gets killed in a tunnel in what is an accident or some looney guy who annoyed animals for a living gets his bollox bitten off - why should we give a toss?
If i posted a topic on here informing everyone my mum had died - I'd assume there would be lots of sympathetic comments - but deep down none of you would really care, and indeed why should you? you had no personal involvement, you didnt know my mum.. etc etc.. i'm sure you get what i'm on about |
Haha, you're so opinionated it's almost funny. So, because you consider a child worthy of your compassion it's ok to mourn them, but when an adult who you consider a 'parasite' dies no-one should care?
I don't feel sad about child abductions or train crashes, emotionally they mean nothing to me unless they involve someone I know personally.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 19:19 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | Christ sake. Don't you realise that you CANNOT predict what an animal will do in any given situation. Be it wild, domesticated, flying in the sky or fucking living in trees. Have you never heard of a farmer getting killed by his livestock. I have a few times. We're talking about old grizzley farmers who have done nothing else since they were children. Being around cattle is second nature to them, they're almost born to it. Yet every so ofter you still hear about them being trampled or what ever. Its like these expert drivers or riders. Every so often they're killed. Because you can't predict with absolute certainty anything that may or maynot happen
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You are taking the same risk every time you drive with a child in the car.
| Reg67 wrote: | I think some of you misinterpreted my comments - If a kid gets abducted and killed by some evil bastard then yes of course its a tradgedy and we all feel extremely sad.. If yet another train crash happens over here because rail-track will not spend any money on maintanance. We feel sad and extremely angry because it could have been averted so easily..
However if some parasite whom none of us knew,gets killed in a tunnel in what is an accident or some looney guy who annoyed animals for a living gets his bollox bitten off - why should we give a toss?
If i posted a topic on here informing everyone my mum had died - I'd assume there would be lots of sympathetic comments - but deep down none of you would really care, and indeed why should you? you had no personal involvement, you didnt know my mum.. etc etc.. i'm sure you get what i'm on about |
Haha, you're so opinionated it's almost funny. So, because you consider a child worthy of your compassion it's ok to mourn them, but when an adult who you consider a 'parasite' dies no-one should care?
I don't feel sad about child abductions or train crashes, emotionally they mean nothing to me unless they involve someone I know personally. |
And being around humans. Just as unpredictable, if not more so. I hear of children being killed by strangers all the time. Does that mean children should not be allowed to go outside at all? After all, someone in the bus could stab your child while you're right there!
Pretty far fetched argument to make, but still.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 19:33 Post subject: |
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My god some of the arguments on here are absurd. Its all about risk that need to be taken and those that do not. I may drive my kids to the Zoo for a visit one day. The chances are slim that an accident will happen but its a risk I'm prepared to take. I wouldn't say left get into the lion pen to have a closer look. You lot need to read up on the facts of necessary and unnecessary risks.
But as far as I'm concerned he said he's teaching his kids about wild animals. I wonder if his son learned anything that day. I suspect not.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 19:40 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | You lot need to read up on the facts of necessary and unnecessary risks.
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Oh so there are documented facts on this now?
Here was me thinking thats an entirely subjective thing.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 19:47 Post subject: |
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Never heard of risk management?
Or even common sense?
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 19:55 Post subject: |
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| Macknu wrote: | Jenni and reg:
Would you be upset if a 8year old got raped and tortured to death? Or would you just dont care couse you never met the child?
And most people get upset when famous (especielly people who do good) die, nothing new about that. |
Why should i care, ppl get raped all the time, should I wright in a news comment how angry I am just be curs I just read about something I wont remember the other day, and what kinda of life do you live then read sad things and get angry about it all the time.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 22:10 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | My god some of the arguments on here are absurd. Its all about risk that need to be taken and those that do not. I may drive my kids to the Zoo for a visit one day. The chances are slim that an accident will happen but its a risk I'm prepared to take. I wouldn't say left get into the lion pen to have a closer look. You lot need to read up on the facts of necessary and unnecessary risks.
But as far as I'm concerned he said he's teaching his kids about wild animals. I wonder if his son learned anything that day. I suspect not. |
I read most of that "WHAAA EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH JENNI IS WRONG!".
But anyways, some of the arguments you make are valid, I agree that there is risk involved around animals as crocodiles, clearly Steve knows there is a risk, but he has so much experience that he knew that he would compare it to putting the child into a safety-chair and go driving in Australia.
The fact is, with the amount of spiders in Australia, that kid is definitely more likely to get bitten by a spider that crawled into the car than it is to get bit by that croc. Sure! Accidents happen, but they can happen anywhere.
You say it's risk management, and yes if YOU stood there with your kid in front of a croc, I would agree that it was abso-fucking retarded.
Your example of the farmers is interesting, would you regard a farmer who had his kid on ... say his shoulders while he walked among the cows with such disgust? zOMG! I read in the paper one of them got trampled the other day!
Funny stuff Jenni. I feel sorry for any offspring that might come out of you, because it'll be overprotected ... unless your military husband manages to raise it and give it some guts.
Jeez, in the words of George Carlin: TAKE A FUCKING CHANCE ONCE IN A WHILE.
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Macknu
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2007 23:12 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Yeah so you're telling me he knows the risks and the child was in no danger?
Well if thats the case why is the fucking idiot dead?
Its simple. Because you can never totally predict what an animal is going to do. You do know that those animals can out run a human, especially one carrying a child. |
He knows the risk and the child was ofcourse in danger, but no more danger then your child when you put it in your car.
Becouse of a fish, he had experience with crocs, not fishies and especially fishes who usually dont kill or even attack.
No you can never predict an animal, the smarter the animal the less you can predict its move. Crocs arnt to smart so not to hard for an experienced person to predict. Humans on other hand are very difficult to predict, you may meet lunatic who wanna crash into your car or wanna see baby blod and stabs your child.
And no, those animals cant outrun a human, not even close.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007 10:20 Post subject: |
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Theres nothing more I can say that I haven't already said. You don't put children in unnecessary risk. A fireman doesn't say "hey son lets run into a burning building so you can see how daddy does his job". He doesn't take a baby in arms to work either. Steve Irwin was an idiot, his shows weren't about the animals but about him taking risks. He was criticised by lots of conservation people because of his methods. Putting a child in a car as long as he or she is safe is a risk that you have to take. Taking a child into an animal enclosure is not. Plain and simple he USED his child as part of his show and the change in the law reflected that.
Don't ever have an opinion on how I raise my children Dominae, it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Yes Macknu a crocodile will outrun you for about 30ft.
Advice if a gator/croc attacks you:
- run away in a straight line. Crocs and alligators will outrun you for about thirty foot [10m] or so [up to 20mph] after which they will need a bit of a lie down.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007 10:37 Post subject: |
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Note to self: Don't post stuff like this anymore lmao
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Macknu
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007 11:16 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Theres nothing more I can say that I haven't already said. You don't put children in unnecessary risk. A fireman doesn't say "hey son lets run into a burning building so you can see how daddy does his job". He doesn't take a baby in arms to work either. Steve Irwin was an idiot, his shows weren't about the animals but about him taking risks. He was criticised by lots of conservation people because of his methods. Putting a child in a car as long as he or she is safe is a risk that you have to take. Taking a child into an animal enclosure is not. Plain and simple he USED his child as part of his show and the change in the law reflected that.
Don't ever have an opinion on how I raise my children Dominae, it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Yes Macknu a crocodile will outrun you for about 30ft.
Advice if a gator/croc attacks you:
- run away in a straight line. Crocs and alligators will outrun you for about thirty foot [10m] or so [up to 20mph] after which they will need a bit of a lie down. |
So you never put your child at unnecessery risk? I just gotta laugh at that if you really meen that. Everyone who got kids put them at unnecessery risk almost everyday, even you. You dont always need to take your baby with you when you go driving (someone can stay home), you drive unnecessery places, you walk with you child near roads instead of safer places. So stop the bullshit, you as everyone else put their child at unnecessery risk daily without thinking twice about it.
And the fireman aint really even a close comparison.
His shows was about reptils and working with them is big risks, he worked daily with them. He worked with them his whole life, every week. How many times did they hurt him?
Some crocs can run up to 15-16kph but most of them around 10-11kph. Most people jog faster then that. So tell me miss expert, exactly how fast was that croc he was with? Was it one of those rare runners who can reach 16kph which still isnt faster then running human?
"People often ask whether it's possible to outrun a crocodile, and the answer is yes! Don't bother trying to zigzag while you run, though — just cut a nice, straight line away from the crocodile as fast as you can, and you'll easily beat it. The danger that crocodiles pose is not their ability to run after you, but their ability to strike before you even know what's happening. In other words, keep your distance and you'll be safe.
Dr. Adam Britton "
"You'll easily beat it." guess your wrong yet again.
Is it really that hard for you Jennie to find something true to support you that you need fake pictures and lies like crocs outrun you?
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007 11:29 Post subject: |
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Just so you know Macknu...Jenni doesn't give up till she either wins or saint closes the thread...you'll be arguing this for a LOOOONG time if saint doesn't see this
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007 11:30 Post subject: |
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Quite obviously you have no kids Macknu.
I couldn't give a shit how much of an expert he was. He put his child at risk when he didn't need to. Comparing taking a child into a crocodile enclosure to going shopping with kids is laughable to say the least.
Some risks you have to take but as a parent you minimise them.
Never seen an antelope being taken by a crocodile on a wildlife program. Don't you think that those antelopes would outrun a human.
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Macknu
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| Jenni wrote: | Quite obviously you have no kids Macknu.
I couldn't give a shit how much of an expert he was. He put his child at risk when he didn't need to. Comparing taking a child into a crocodile enclosure to going shopping with kids is laughable to say the least.
Some risks you have to take but as a parent you minimise them.
Never seen an antelope being taken by a crocodile on a wildlife program. Don't you think that those antelopes would outrun a human. |
Nope i got no kids, but i see that parents everyday puts their childs in unnecessery risk without thinking twice about it.
Why do you need to take your child with you to the store? You put him at a risk you didnt need to.
Yes antelope gets taken by surprise when they go drinking, they have their head down at the water and a sneaking croc is close that they cant se. This croc was on land and the child was over a 1m from the croc, if anything should happen its steve who would get hurt and not the kid.
So all you got going for you is that he put his child at unnecessery risk, and sure he did and its a bit stupid i dont disagre with you there. But he knew was he was doing, just as you know when you take your child for some unnecessery ride somewhere or go walk with him/her near a dangerous road you dont have to.
If you just sit down and think hard about everything you do with your child im quite sure you would find a few things that put him in risks he dont have to take.
| SpykeZ wrote: | | Just so you know Macknu...Jenni doesn't give up till she either wins or saint closes the thread |
I know, but maybe she'll see reason someday atleast.
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