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| clragon wrote: | | Glottis wrote: | | WoW now got PvP which is very skill based - called the arena. You need some serious skills there, because not the amount of time spent matters (as was before arenas) but the quality of your teams work. I don't think any MMO got better and more balanced and more fun PvP than WoW's arenas at this moment. |
clearly you havn't played Guild Wars 
| [sYn] wrote: | | I got in ! Wooo! |
damn... I knew I should have signed up with more than one email... |
The PVP in Guild Wars is very Monk based, if you don't have a monk in your group and you go against a team who does, then your basically screwed since the normal PVP's team is randomly generated (last I knew) Unless you doing guild fights, then it's very team based. |
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2007 01:08 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: |
The PVP in Guild Wars is very Monk based, if you don't have a monk in your group and you go against a team who does, then your basically screwed since the normal PVP's team is randomly generated (last I knew) Unless you doing guild fights, then it's very team based. |
Dont judge GW's PvP on random arenas... it is not meant for competitive matches because obviously, you can't have a certain build for your team since you were randomly put together.
| Glottis wrote: | | clragon wrote: | | Glottis wrote: | | WoW now got PvP which is very skill based - called the arena. You need some serious skills there, because not the amount of time spent matters (as was before arenas) but the quality of your teams work. I don't think any MMO got better and more balanced and more fun PvP than WoW's arenas at this moment. |
clearly you havn't played Guild Wars |
I played GW. But you clearly haven't played WoW arena. People hear WoW and think "oh its that addictive mmo grind fest with no skill needed", but it's not true anymore, because arena is so different from anything else in WoW. VERY player skill based. People who say that arenas suck simply fail at group PvP and suck at competitive PvP as a whole. |
I have played WoW's PvP, I was actually a WoW refugee when I started GW, and went back to it for a while after I stopped playing GW due to how much time it demanded from me.
WoW's PvP does need skill and team work, I never said it didn't. But to say it has the best I think it would be a stretch.
In GW, I was in a top 10 guild (this was before the release of expansions). The GvGs we had then was competitive gaming at it's best. All 8 people on the team has role(s) to play and if they dont, their team doesn't stand a chance. Apart from using the right skill and the right time, you also had to use your brain a lot. What build is the other team playing? pressure build? smite? spikers? IWAY (lol)? thumpers? or a combination of more than to generic builds? you had to judge their build to correctly play counter strategies. do they need all 8 people for their build to work? if so why dont we split up into 2 groups since our build allows it?
further more, you have to know the status of not only your own players, but others the enemy as well. You gained Death Penalty every time you die, which decrease your health and energy by 15%, you can go the other way by gaining moral by holding the flag in the middle. If you are DPed to 60%, you will not get resurrected automatically at your guild hall every 2 minutes. so remembering what DP the other team's important players have becomes crucial when calling out targets for your team.
Another thing that I love about the game was that it just keeps evolving. Although it's the same reason I quit (since I had no time to play it enough to keep myself at a competitive level) and also the reason many people can't get into the game. Just an introduction of a build by a top guild will spawn a wave of change in the game. Not keeping yourself up-to-date about what builds others are playing, and their counters, pretty much makes it impossible to win.
When you've experienced PvP in GW at such a high level, it's hard to go back to the simple PvP in other MMO like WoW. It's fun, but simply doesn't have the depth and competitiveness of GW.
/rant of a retired GW player
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2007 00:10 Post subject: |
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man all this talk of GW makes me want to go back into it. I got the original plus nightfall, haven't beat either. I get bored like half way through of each.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2007 00:50 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | I got in :P! Wooo! |
Post some screens/impressions damnit! when i get into beta's first thing i do is post stuff here on nforce :) |
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007 00:43 Post subject: |
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May as well be alpha at the moment. Got in as well.
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007 00:51 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | man all this talk of GW makes me want to go back into it. I got the original plus nightfall, haven't beat either. I get bored like half way through of each. |
You're not missing anything SpykeZ. I bought it upon release, maxed my character in a couple of days (what was it they called that, Ascension or some shit), and got a team of people together for the Hall of Heroes. Held it for like 15 rounds or so every couple of days, got bored, quit.
Its a game with very little substance (99% of the game is instanced zones) and is meant to appeal to the click-fest, zerg happy asian populace of gamers. It did have a nice engine upon release though, but everything else (PvP included) is half-assed.
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007 01:27 Post subject: |
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| Immunity wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | man all this talk of GW makes me want to go back into it. I got the original plus nightfall, haven't beat either. I get bored like half way through of each. |
You're not missing anything SpykeZ. I bought it upon release, maxed my character in a couple of days (what was it they called that, Ascension or some shit), and got a team of people together for the Hall of Heroes. Held it for like 15 rounds or so every couple of days, got bored, quit. |
yeah, at _release_. Back when no one knew what they were doing, back when no one was using res sigs, back when one guy was able to hold HoH for 20ish rounds with bots...
You should have tried again in a few months, once all the good guilds started rolling out after they UAXed.
oh and wait, why are you telling SpykeZ that he is not missing anything, when he probably have played more recently than you? (he bought nightfall, you quit soon after original release...)
| Immunity wrote: | | Its a game with very little substance (99% of the game is instanced zones) and is meant to appeal to the click-fest, zerg happy asian populace of gamers. It did have a nice engine upon release though, but everything else (PvP included) is half-assed. |
http://www.guildwars.com/competitive/ladder/default.php
Try again.. GW was a pretty big failure in Asian countries. Korean guilds dominated in beta and the beginning months, but later mostly quit due to lack of lvl grind in the game. GW is big mostly in Europe and NA... PvP is half-assed? why do you say that?[/url]
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007 23:42 Post subject: |
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i got it too , played and can tell you it's suckz for now it's like pre pre pre alpha , in fact it's not worth showing to public yet...kinda dissapoinment for me , my hopes for AoC...
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 00:01 Post subject: |
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| EvilCookie wrote: | | i got it too , played and can tell you it's suckz for now it's like pre pre pre alpha , in fact it's not worth showing to public yet...kinda dissapoinment for me , my hopes for AoC... |
Yeah I played it too and same impressions, game sucks horribly. I can't see how they can put in the game everything they promised even with the new delayed release date. I don't care actually because I'm not waiting for this game anymore.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 00:26 Post subject: |
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at this stage of game everything suckz big time , and i mean everything...tho the best thing i saw playing as a dwarf engineer after couple of quest , one quest including shooting orc's from huge cannon's it would be fun but that quest need some makeover , back to the point by completing this quest i got FREE BEER, yes Free pint of beer. ^_____^~
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 00:32 Post subject: |
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Frankly, I don't think it sucks big time and those who say it does haven't given 1 real reason.
It's buggy, but yes, it IS beta. It's SO beta that you can't even really adjust video settings yet.
I think the gameplay is lacking, but you can TOTALLY see the potential.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 00:45 Post subject: |
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well not for WoW killer m? it's totaly overhyped... as for video settings , the game client it self isn't yet configured for all video cards so game lags a bit...UI i hope is on they'r TODO list , the whole atmosphere when you enter the game is unpleasent unpleasant , but i hope it's just a beta and they will make something....
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 00:49 Post subject: |
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 Sad, I was hoping this would be a good game... |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 01:18 Post subject: |
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| Phluxed wrote: | | Frankly, I don't think it sucks big time and those who say it does haven't given 1 real reason. |
Ok here is some:
Combat. Trying to be like WoW, but WoW already got that polished and working better.
PvE. Trying to be like WoW, but WoW already got that polished and working better.
GFX. Trying to be somewhat like WoW, cartoony and stuff, but just looks bad.
RvR. Didn't try it nor do I want to at this stage. From the latest videos I saw it looks like made for sadomasochistic or retarded people, so slow and painful to look at.
Yeah it's early beta yadda yadda but from being a long time MMO player I know it's unreal that the game will be what they promise it to be at the release day, unless they delay it 5 more times.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 01:41 Post subject: |
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I honestly hope I get my beta invite, I want to try it for myself. Most vidz and screenshots have their ups and downs, but I highly doubt this will be a remake of World Of Warcraft. I play WoW atm, and my biggest concern is that I dont have to kill myself for end game content. As we speak not more than about 6% of the population on WoW will see any new final boss Blizz has put into the game.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 02:19 Post subject: |
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Hi guys, Im in the beta too, here are some impressions/info:
- RVR/PVP: at later lvls there is almost no one in the RVR zones (this is a beta issue)
- Questing: Some quests dont work, some dont give xp, some are bugged, the quest which do work dont give enough xp (again most of that is due to it's beta stage^^)
- Public Quests: Pretty cool idea, but overall it's just a cover for the grind fest =/
kill the 175 mobs, then destroy the crates, then kill the hero mob..
- Leveling: imho the pace is too slow, I've got a lvl 2x char and having to grind several hours to get a lvl since I cant RVR or do Quests(all done) is quite annoying
- Graphic: It is ok, but style-wise it looks so much like WoW and let's face is WoW is a x-year old game, so the graphic arent really impressive (was kinda shocked when I first logged in)
There are NO graphic options yet, so this may be improved over time, but I don't think it would make much of a differnce.
- Classes: Nothing you havent seen before. nuker, healer, nuker/healer, tanks, melee dps..
- Races: Empire/Chaos and Greenskins/Dwarfs are in atm, it's like the classes though, nothing you havent seen before in a mmorrpg =/
- Combat: Havent played all classes, but some of them. The cool thing is, as a mage you wont get Fire I, Fire II etc. so you just get Fire and use this spell from lvl 1-40, it will lvl with you.
The problem with this system is, you wont get THAT many new spells and the lvling feels even more dragged out
The combat is like any other MMORPG. dunno what else to say about it.
- Customization: Yet again sth which sucks due to it's beta state, you cant customize your char at char creation, all chars look the same and most of the armor too.
It's so dull and boring, I have seen some cool looking armor.. though and it seems to improve a bit.
Overall there is a LOT which they need to improve/include and the game is still VERY early beta. The noob RvR was quite fun until my lvl was so high, I couln't do it anymore and no one else was at my lvl >.<
There are some balacing issues, but that's what beta is for 
When I first heared about this game I though: "a a mix between daoc and wow, that would be great"
So atm it's like that (imho):
PvE/Quests: WoW is still better
RvR: DAoC is still better
ok, this is based on my memory, since I dont play these games anymore 
They got some cool ideas which arnt in the game yet (take over enemies capital) and I'm still undecided if I would play it when it comes out in 2008.
Bug-wise it runs ok, some crashes, the performamce seems good, a few game breaking bugs.
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 12:18 Post subject: |
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damn.. i had my hopes high for this game too but so far seems like they are very far from release.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 12:22 Post subject: |
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| Glottis wrote: | | Phluxed wrote: | | Frankly, I don't think it sucks big time and those who say it does haven't given 1 real reason. |
Ok here is some:
Combat. Trying to be like WoW, but WoW already got that polished and working better.
PvE. Trying to be like WoW, but WoW already got that polished and working better.
GFX. Trying to be somewhat like WoW, cartoony and stuff, but just looks bad.
RvR. Didn't try it nor do I want to at this stage. From the latest videos I saw it looks like made for sadomasochistic or retarded people, so slow and painful to look at.
Yeah it's early beta yadda yadda but from being a long time MMO player I know it's unreal that the game will be what they promise it to be at the release day, unless they delay it 5 more times. |
From a long time MMO player you seem to treasure WoW like it's the holy grail...
The combat isn't trying to be like WoW... the combat is sticky, which is what WoW's is, which is what almost every MM post Everquest/AC is...
The graphics aren't cartoony, they're more on the realistic scale than WoW.. maybe you mean the bright colour palette.
Anywhoo, I'd expect 1-2 more delays for this one... it seems to be going down the path of Shadowbane, which was delayed... a lot, but turned out to be what everyone had really hoped, albeit released too late. |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 12:59 Post subject: |
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yay i cannot hold back my excitement
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 13:05 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | yay i cannot hold back my excitement |
There are two kinds of people; those who play Eve and those who don't know any better. |
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Aug 2007 20:06 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | dominae wrote: | | yay i cannot hold back my excitement |
There are two kinds of people; those who play Eve and those who don't know any better. |
Don't spoil my excitement here. I was almost about to burst.
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[sYn]
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Anyone here got a spare account they've decided not to bother using again? If so hit me up!
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Sin317
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Feb 2008 11:49 Post subject: |
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i rather wait for AoC or the revamped Anarchy Online (they are upgrading its graphics atm)
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008 12:18 Post subject: |
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i too would like an opportunity for a chance to beg for a chance to try the sucker.
much love
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008 20:01 Post subject: |
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| Yondaime wrote: |
In the posts around august most seem to indicate the game was in a really bad shape. I've seen some recent videos, and it looks really sharp and good. Can some of you beta testers tell me, if it has gotten better. What has gotten better, how is it better etc? I'm really looking forward to the game and I still have faith it will be good when it comes out. |
well here is what happend since august
break until december
end of december: dark elves focus test for like 3 weeks
break
start of feb: empire vs chaos focus test
now it's break time again -.-
couldn't play much in the last focus test since I had exams and I didn't really want to play it anyway
In the dark elf focus test there was no rvr, so I cannot comment on that
to sum it up they changed the public quests a bit and they added masteries to all classes (different paths you can go)
ofc they added other stuff too like more armor skins, more drops blah blah
overall it still isn't good enough or maybe I'm just too strict or sick of mmorpg :/
if you have any questions feel free to ask^^
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