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Jenni
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 Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 22:57 Post subject: Would you work for free to get your foot in the door for.... |
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..........a well paying job?
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WaldoJ
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not a well paying job, but a job that i wouldn't mind doing for the rest of my life, yes. 
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 23:13 Post subject: |
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Well assuming it's for something you like.
I would depending on how long I would have to work for free and if I had the funding support to work for free. But ya I would.
[edit] it would also matter how long I would be working there and for how much. If it was a trade that could be used the rest of my life with another job I def think it would be worth it, again if I had the funding to support myself while I work for free.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 23:31 Post subject: |
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Well in the previous thead I congratulated him. It's complicated. He's signing on at the minute for Job Seekers Allowance. He hates it. He worked hard to become a truck driver. Now this job is worth about £800 a week. He's allowed to only work for sixteen hours maximum before signing off. Now he;s with an agency that's sending him doing the odd day here and there. So he can't sign off until he gets an offer of full time work. Or else he'll have no income what so ever. Now any money he earns over £5 per week is taken off his benefits. So if he gets £56 a week and earns say £40 it means he only gets £21 in benefits. So in effect he's working for nothing. Well he's working for £5.
Now the agency is saying he'll be offered the job when it comes up but theres no vacancies at the present. Which means he could be doing this for weeks or even months.
What would you do in similar circumstances. Oh another point to make is because he's newly qualified in getting his HGV licence, not many employers will take him on because of his lack of experience. So every job he gets with an agency adds to his CV.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 23:36 Post subject: |
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Well I personally am only 20 so I couldn't give an opinion of such circumstances but if I had to be working like that I'd say fuck it and pursue something new if I was being thrown around like that and not making a living. I'll leave the chat on that post for the people here with more experience with that matter
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 23:56 Post subject: |
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In that case described I'd say no. If there was a given timeline for 2 weeks or something, sure. But like that? Never.
He would be better of trying to find another job where he might work for a while, that will be worth a lot more in a CV I believe. Then the employer can give an honest opinion based on his performance over a longer period of time.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 00:28 Post subject: |
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I would never work for free or for a few pennies for whatever reason. A man (and a woman) must respect his own value and labor or noone else will.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 00:33 Post subject: |
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Well he's getting paid. But it comes off his Job Seekers benefits. So in effect he doesn't see the cash. But I know he hates being unemployed. He finds it demeaning.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 00:37 Post subject: |
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It sounds like he is in that difficult phase where employers are passing him over because he doesn't have experience, yet he is having trouble getting experience because the companies keep passing him over for more experienced truckers. A vicious cycle. Is this his only means of getting a good paying job in his field? I would suggest he ask some of his instructors at the truck driving school to help him find a job, or some of his classmates he was friends with while training to be a truck driver to refer him to their company, to get a job that way. At the very least they might have some suggestions to find something more stable until he is employed full-time. If this is truly his only option, a low-paying rite of passage, then he might as well keep on with it as long as he can in hopes that it pans out. At least he is getting experience, and that experience will hopefully place him above others in his current position.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 00:44 Post subject: |
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no other courses he could do to further his CV in the field he wishs to work in?
after i think its 6 months he will be forced to work for nothing on what of the goverments schemes anyway and they might force him to do something he doesnt wish to do just to keep his benefits.
cant he ask them if theres any HGV volunteer jobs they can stick him on? he can still do that while claiming benefits and looking for a proper job while gaining experience
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 01:03 Post subject: |
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Well he's been doing voluntary work. But theres only so much of that you can do before you get pissed off. It was part of his training course. His training company has recommended him for a job delivering soft drinks. But he didn't get it as an ex cola driver got the job. The thing that pisses me off about it all is that he can only earn £5 a week yet his traveling expenses alone are £14 per week. It's a ridiculous amount. £5 wouldn't cover the cost of a decent meal these days.
Not really Snop he's under real pressure from the benefit agency to get a job. The training he did was supplied by CSV and they only let you have a single course.
I think tommorow he can only work until 12 because it will take him over the prescribed 16 hours. If they don't like that he's gonna tell them that it's tough because it's not his fault.
Personnaly I reckon the agency is taking the piss somewhat. I mean he signed an exclusivity contract with them. When he told them of his circumstances today they said they didn't know he was signing on. I mean comeon. He's getting less than 16 hours a week off them and they think he can survive on that. Beggars beliefe.
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Serben
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The system is fucked. The little guy/girl can never get ahead. Capitalists only want you to THINK that by working hard in a capitalist economy you'll get somewhere, just so you'll keep working hard in the false hope that some day you'll climb the ladder. In reality, however, the people at the top reap all the fruits of your labour, while you only get the leftovers. They pull all the strings. If a government tries to do anything about it, they threaten to move all the jobs abroad, which they can now do thanks to the wonders of globalism, free flow of capital and all that shit that's supposed to end world hunger and so on, forcing the governments to do whatever they want unless they want to fuck the economy and lose any chance of getting re-elected.
You don't like it? Tough shit. Nobody's forcing you to work at your job. By having the government by the balls by threatening to move the jobs abroad, they can make it enact all kinds of nice "labour policies" to keep minimum wages as low as possible, and unemployment as high as possible, which lets them pick and choose and make all kinds of unreasonable demands on their workers. You don't like longer hours? Less pay? Less benefits? Less vacation? They'll just hire the next guy in line for your job. Behind each job, there is a horde of unemployed job seekers, desperate for any scrap they can find, keeping the threat of being replaced with someone more "co-operative" constantly hovering over your head. One fuck up, and you're gone. We're all fucked, basically.
So to sum up: FUCK CAPITALISM!!!! AMIRITE!?!?!?
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 01:43 Post subject: |
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isnt there the possibility of getting full-time/part-time work in a bar or something similar while he searches for his new position, you are always much more employable if you are not on JSA and are working. Thats how i got my current job and ive landed on my feet. But for the last 2 years i was working behind a bar and looking for my dream job in my spare time.
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Serben
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 01:44 Post subject: |
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| snop1050 wrote: | yea fuck capitalism! so many parents who work would be better off on benefits the systems a fucking joke.
how can it be right that somone working can be worse of than someone who isnt  |
Because the people at the top of the major corporations have all the REAL power. Democracy is just an illusion, to keep you complacent and obedient. If governments try to increase minimum wage laws, or regulate the economy in ANY way, the corporations simply move ALL their shit abroad, effectively hollowing out the foundations of the economy, causing it to collapse. And since no government wants that, they have to do everything the corporations say. That's what happened with Nelson Mandela. Before he became prez of South Afria, he promised he'd nationalize all the corporations that had had a hand in opressing the black people of South Africa and/or tried to keep apartheid in place. After he got elected, he recieved letters from all the major corporations in the world threatening to COMPLETELY cut off ALL foreign investment to SA if he as much as dared nationalize a single thing. So he had to privatize everything, and now the richest 10-20% (which of course includes ALL the white people still in South Africa. There is not a single white lower or middle class person in SA, they're ALL a part of the "elite". Big surprise there ) of South Africans earn 80% of the GDP. Hooray for capitalism.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 03:33 Post subject: |
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Thread succesfully jacked. Terrorists win!
Rename to 'The commie thread' pls. I agree with Serben btw.
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I don't understand why anyone would accept a job without a receiving any kind of compensation whatsoever, that's what jobs are all about..the pay.Of course volunteer work is another matter but that's a moot point. Maybe it's because I have a steady job and I just can't empathise with his situation, i don't know.
Everybody struggles with lack of experience when they start working tho', that couldn't possibly be the only reason for not getting a decent job.Maybe he just needs to look harder. I personally did a lot of part-time interim jobs when I was younger, that probably helped me a lot.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 04:02 Post subject: |
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Guys keep it on topic. No one cares about the government system nor does this thread have anything to do with it. Jenni is simply asking opinions on what they would do given the situation, not what you think about a government.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 07:26 Post subject: |
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But if nobody worked, none of this would be an issue. No money fluxus, no worry.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 07:26 Post subject: |
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Back to Transformers! .. the movie! Awesome!
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 07:41 Post subject: |
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It's not as easy as all that Stealth. From what I gather on it, it's a very experienced based required industry to be in. No experience and not many if any will take you on on a full time contract.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 07:44 Post subject: |
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If its a job i really wanted despie the pay - then yes
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 07:52 Post subject: |
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Once he gets in there Reg he'll be on more than me and I have a couple of degree's. So the pay is very good.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 10:15 Post subject: |
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okay, ill say it again, you are not really employable when you are on JSA, perhaps find some temp work doing something dull (okay, its dull, but you get 7.50 an hour doing it). this means that he can still be on the books for his driving agency, doing temp work for someone else at almost full time, and if he's offered a driving temp job he can instantly give up the other temp job. thats £250 a week. Im not a big fan of JSA as the only people i know on JSA dont want to work, and thats what most employers see, someone who doesnt want to work. No matter how shit the work its still a fucking job in the end, its money and its a stepping stone to the career of your choice.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 12:51 Post subject: Re: Would you work for free to get your foot in the door for |
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never ever. They would rip you off, and come with something like: "nah, you are not right for the job". Never do it. Heard some stories about that in Norway :\
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 18:31 Post subject: |
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I've been in the same situation some years ago, and I took the job for several reasons: I could show what I could do so I might get a contract later, I get more contacts, I get (more) work experience so it'll be easier to get a job somewhere else. Also employers will see someone who is on benefits as possibly or most likely to not be willing to work. If he as willing to work he would have work.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 19:04 Post subject: |
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If he works for the company for free/almost nothing then they will never want to pay full value for him ever. Chance is that they may keep him following the carrot for as long as possible and when the time comes dump him for another.
On the other hand the prospect of experience is tempting and he can always put that on his cv without mentioning how much he earned there.
Dilemma. If possible, he should try to get the company to put down something on paper. A contract of sorts. 95% of work related disputes happen because of people going back on their 'word'. Then it becomes a game of 'he/she said' and 'they said'.
I doubt that the company would put anything on paper so maybe your friend should set a fixed period for himself. If they don't give him a full-paying job in x months then he leaves. If the company feels his need then they will have to ask him to come back. In that case his bargaining position will be much stronger.
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