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 Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007 02:48 Post subject: Calling All 8800GTX owners |
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Could you guys give me your impressions on the cards performance? Have you been able to bog it down to a crawl on any game? Does it run hot? Your general thoughts?
My financial aid arrived and I'm thinking of getting one for the sake of owning such a fast card but I dunno if it's worth it when I compare its performance to my now gone X1900XT.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007 02:51 Post subject: |
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Get it, but make sure you have a good CPU to go with it... My A64 4000+ is crippling my 8800GTX... Can't wait for that E6600...
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007 02:55 Post subject: |
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I'll be "borrowing" my friends E6700, the cheapest I found the card was $539 after rebate. Bit-Techs review is what is turning me away from purchasing it. They are one of the few sites that don't do canned benchmarks and the review didn't impress me much.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007 07:13 Post subject: |
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Ok I ordered it, got the eVGA one maybe within 90 days the 8900GTX will arrive so I can step up to it.
Now I have a question, are you guys running your G80 under XP or Vista? Which has more solid drivers?
I hope this things performance does not dissapoint me.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007 07:23 Post subject: |
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If you want game performance, don't install vista.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007 17:50 Post subject: |
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NVM I cancelled the order, my bro talked some sense into me. Spending $614 on a graphics card is ridiculous. That is close to what my entire system had cost.
And I also thought about the fact that there is absolutly nothing to play and that $600 does not justify the 30 hours of gameplay coming from semi interesting games in the next 2 months.
I'll play the waiting game for now.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007 20:01 Post subject: |
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Can't say I regret it ONE BIT! all games just runs like butter maxed out! if you have a proper processor and decent RAM's this is as good as it gets at the mo. Of course you can wait and get a slightly faster (but at the same time as expensive) card later on. But i will most likely get the next gen (probably a 9800GTX) card for Xmas anyway 
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007 22:14 Post subject: |
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Yeah that's true, but I played COH like 4 months ago, same with just about every other game that the 8 series plays like butter. If I had purchased it I would immedietly have buyers remorse mainly because of how badly a lot of recent games run.
Look at R6: Vegas, Call of Juarez, Gothic, Sup Com, all those games run like pure ass. I can't be optimistic if the games coming out in a few months are even more demanding then those, how am I to know if the newer titles will get more attention optimization wise so that I don't regret unloading $600 on a card when it's got a 8fps lead over a inferior card. There is just too much uncertainty toward the reason behind buying a DX10 card which is DX10. No games to test performance on and also sub par drivers right now.
8800GTX does 36fps in Vegas at 1600x1200. I think if you bought a 8 series card like within a month of it's release then it may have been a decent decision but 4-5 months later like right now I don't think it's the best choice. Even if rumors of Nvidia skipping G81 and going straight to 65nm G90 are false.
At least you guys get to check out the DX10 patch in Sup Com and COH, run over "fuzzy grass" with your tanks!
90 Days wait isn't so bad to get a better feel for what's to come and provide a more solid opportunity for making a good buying decision.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007 22:15 Post subject: |
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DAMN! I've just got my 680i with E6600 and DAMN! Everything just flies!! The 8800GTX just become 10x better than with my crappy old 4000+!
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007 07:36 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | DAMN! I've just got my 680i with E6600 and DAMN! Everything just flies!! The 8800GTX just become 10x better than with my crappy old 4000+! |
Hmm, I am digressing and AFAIR it is yes, but... can we use some -let's say on a temp basis- DDR1 ram sticks with the E6600?
In others words: are DDR2 sticks required (performances asides) with it?
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007 09:29 Post subject: |
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Well, if you find a mobo with Socket 775 to support C2D that also has DDR1 controller, then, sure, you can use DDR1.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007 10:29 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | DAMN! I've just got my 680i with E6600 and DAMN! Everything just flies!! The 8800GTX just become 10x better than with my crappy old 4000+! |
Congrats man!  welcome to the "real" world of gaming...at least for 6 months or so |
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007 11:55 Post subject: |
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I decided to get a 8800GTS instead of the GTX. Saved some money, I can run S.T.A.L.K.E.R MP Beta with all maxed out and Armed Assault runs fine with everything maxed too.
E6600
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007 14:56 Post subject: |
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C2D 6400, 4GB DDR2 Geil 6400, 4 x 320GB Barracudas, BFG 7900 GT, 32" Mirai HD LCD @ 1360x768, Vista Enterprise x64 (Uber fast and stable x64 XP previously).
I haven't had any problems running any of the latest games whatsoever. I wan't to see how Crysis will run on my current hardware, if it's dire, then, and only then, will I consider a DX10 class card. Hopefully prices will have dropped and drivers will have matured. Of course, if I wait long enough perhaps the competition will have got their act together 
Right now, for me, there's simply no point in upgrading. Aside from the ePenIs factor
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 02:30 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | DAMN! I've just got my 680i with E6600 and DAMN! Everything just flies!! The 8800GTX just become 10x better than with my crappy old 4000+! |
Did you get one of the EVGA boards?
Newegg now has 2 different 680i boards listed. Was wondering if you got one of those. I was wavering between the EVGA and Asus boards.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 02:37 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I got the eVGA 680i board...
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 03:10 Post subject: |
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question:
building a new pc soonish... decided to WAIT on the whole graphics card mess, i want a dx10 card, but dont feel like getting fucked over THIS early by ati or nvidia, as im sure as soon as i get one they'll release another within a month or 2, so what i intend to do is just slap an old ati card i have into my new pc, and buy 2 cards later when everything settles down a bit
heres the question... ill have to kinda plan ahead when it comes to the motherboard, so i need to decide which horse to back... ill DEFINATELY be doing a dual card setup... so which is the best bet for dual setup? do i get a sli or a crossfire board in preperation for later in the year when i make a decision on which cards to get?
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 03:17 Post subject: |
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You have to decide what you want; AMD or nVidia. For nVidia, 680i or 650i are the logical choice. For AMD, you have two choices; AMD's RD600 (also called Xpress 3200) or Intel's 975 and 965. Strictly speaking on platform now as R600 is as of yet MIA, the 680i is the best motherboard for Core 2 Duo/Extreme/Quad.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 03:47 Post subject: |
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yes i know i have to decide what i want... hence the question, which is likely to be superior? crossfire or sli? does nvidia have superior know-how when it comes to dual card setups, or is amd/ati catching up and their crossfire is now better? obviously without seeing what ati's new r600 can do, its hard to say for SURE which is better, but im just asking for general thoughts on the question, and which they see as coming out on top, and which is the smarter option.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 11:59 Post subject: |
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I was thinking about just the same thing... Then I figured I won't be running SLI or Crossfire anyway since its a waste of money (when all that power can be used the graphics cards are outdated anyway) so I went for Intel 975X even though I use 8800GTS because it seem more stable atm. eVGA could've released some newer better bios's now though.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 14:35 Post subject: |
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Ditto on the waste opinion. Running two video cards is about the best way to blow twice the money on a gain that comes nowhere near equal the money you invest. But if you are totally fixed on doing that anyways, you should prolly wait on a mobo as well. Rumor is that both Nvidia and ATI are going to be updating their platforms. Once that happens you might be able to run 2 different video cards which is one small step in making the whole thing worthwhile. But of course then you are waiting on something else to come along... Like cpu/gpu on one core for example?
I know something better is gonna come along but with the rig I got now I will be able to play all the games coming along this year with decent framerate and nearly maxed visuals just fine. Good enough for me.
Core i7 920 @ 3.8Ghz | 6GB OCZ DDR3 8-8-8-24 @ 1600mhz | eVga x58 Mobo | 2 x eVga GTX 460 SLI | Intel X25-M + 3x Seagate + WD Black = 2.75TB | X-Fi Titanium | PCP&C Silencer 750 | G15 KB | G5 Mouse | G35 Headset | Z-5500 Digital | Samsung T260HD
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 20:32 Post subject: |
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Intels successor to the 975X chipset is coming Q3 with bearlake and their new 45nm chips. That's a long wait just grab a mobo now.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 21:44 Post subject: |
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well the reason im set on a dual card setup is that i tend to buy a computer, and have it last me 6 - 7 years, with a minimum of additional hardware replacements.
but ok, heres a question... im planning on building a quad core system. would it be preferable to buy a new graphics card every 3 years, vs a dual card setup? are you really saying that upcoming games (crysis, alan wake, or even the allready released supreme commander, are examples i can think of), will run maxed out on 1-2 year old cards, and would never ever benefit from a dual card set up? im RELATIVELY new to putting together my own system, but its just hard to get my head around the concept that new games just dont benefit from additional graphical power... but please, help me out and tell me more... it'd definately take a load off, if i didnt have to worry about dual setups, but i really dont want to screw myself by ending up with an underpowered system.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 22:17 Post subject: |
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You will never be able to futureproof yourself 6 years, never. The graphic card market goes through cycles of 6 months now, what someone bought 8 months to a year ago would be showing signs of age now. And again this is all dependent on circumstances. Right now is a big transition phase with the whole DX10 thing so how the next gen cards age is a mystery but it's not wrong to assume it will follow the previous trend.
Do not waste your money on SLi or Crossfire, buy a single powerful GPU save yourself the extra power requirements, the heat, the space, the headache of any issues, most importantly the money.
Yes, grab a new card every couple years, your upgrade rate is completely dependent on your expectations, people still use 9800Pro's now a days because they don't "need" the eye candy in todays games.
Just realize that GPU power doubles with transistor count every 18 months, now if your looking at 6 years your cards would be outclassed to the 3rd degree by a single card at that time.
Buy a single card that fits your performance expectations, upgrade when you deem necessary and stop looking at your purchases as futureproofing because unless your aiming at futureproofing at quarterly rates then it's not happening.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 22:54 Post subject: |
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my goal was never to futureproof myself over such an extended period of time, i guess my mentallity was more = better... i admit, my assumption was that 2 current directx10 cards together NOW, would beat the current gen dx10 card of, say, 18 months from now...
this is NOT the case, correct?
if so, then youve saved me a bunch of hassle and i thank you all.
i should add that yes i am one of those types of people who do love their eye-candy, and i like my games to run nice and quick while enjoying them - i also do some 3d modelling/animation work, and intend to get into that a lot more in the future - this has no effect on the above statement though correct?
buying a new SINGLE latest gen card every 18 or so months will pretty much keep me up to date with all the latest games, as long as the rest of my pc is up to standard, right?
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 23:04 Post subject: |
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I would say if you went out and bought 2 8800GTX's right now you'd be safe through a good portion of 2008.
/EDIT: oh yeah and this all depends on your resolution, my 1900XT was going strong for about 10 months before games started causing it to choke at 1600x1200, as time went on I lost the luxury of enabling AA or HDR and such.
If you play at a semi high res those 8800GTX's will have you set for a while, until you find it necessary to ditch them.
And this is all speculation given the fact that we have no performance numbers on DX10 games which is what I'm guessing your intending to play. If I had the money to buy them I would REFUSE to upgrade to anything else for 2 years minimum.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007 23:44 Post subject: |
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well heres my new gameplan then, tell me if its a better idea to buying 2 dx10 cards within 2 months:
buy ONE 8800 gtx card now
buy a replacement (whichever top of the line dx10 card is out at the time) around october - december 2008.
i plan on buying a widescreen monitor, so expect to be gaming at 1920x1200 res - if some of the games start lagging around june next year, it wont really matter, because id be able to play em fine in october...
would this be the BEST way to go?
my 'yard stick' is basically this...
if i buy a 8800gtx card now... am i going to have problems playing crysis at full specs? (i know a gpu is only part of the issue, but the rest of my pc would be at the high end at the moment too.)
one other thing (please dont just answer this and ignore above questions) - 8800gtx? or wait and see what the r600 does 2-3 months from now whenever ati decides the 'market is ready'.... i mean in my head, however much better the r600 will 'technically' be, it wont really matter THAT much (especially when you take into account the wait period for the r600) if nvidias 8800 drivers are far superior, no?
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Mar 2007 00:50 Post subject: |
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I think buying a 8800GTX right now especially for the resolution you mentioned would be your best bet. As for Crysis that's something I can't answer, most of the game magazines who got access to it said it ran decently. The specs of the Machines they were demo'ing crysis on were Core 2 Duo rigs with a single 8800GTX. The developers said themselves they will bring the G80 to it's knees.
I think you'll be fine running that game with a 8800GTX.
Waiting for the R600 closely relates to what I said above, if you have a laundry list of games you MUST play then grab a G80 and enjoy them. If nothing is really catching your interest then why not hold off a bit and save yourself some cash?
People who bought the card 5 months ago when it launched have been enjoying all their games at full speed and not looking back, I suggest you look at it in "right now" timeframe. If your a heavy gamer and many games this month are on your list of must haves then go for a 8800GTX.
So it goes both ways, Since ATi is playing the catchup game and trying to best Nvidia the margin between the two will remain exactly where it has, I.E. 1950XTX & 7900GTX. I highly doubt that the R600 will slaughter the G80. But most people who are waiting are waiting for the G80 refresh which is a complete unknown at this point, and again the performance margin between the refresh and 8800GTX will again most likely be the same as 7800GT/GTX - 7900GT/GTX.
Think more toward your own gaming intentions rather then if one card will destroy another because honestly nobody has tapped the potential of the 8800GTX as it is, that thing is a beast and you really can't go wrong buying it. If you really wanna upgrade to play say Crysis or any coming DX10 titles i'll tell you what I tell everyone else which is do it when the game comes out not 6 months before. Right now if you buy a DX10 card it's to enjoy DX9 games at full speed nothing more.
I am personally waiting until a game worthy of a powerful card like that comes out and I get a good taste of what it's capable of, I have no intention on playing DX9 games from 4-5 months ago on a DX10 card that I know will play them like butter. Also ATi is far ahead of Nvidia right now in the area of Vista drivers.
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