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csebal




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PostPosted: Sat, 3rd Feb 2007 15:51    Post subject:
Well, i did watch an UFO:ET gameplay vid a few days ago.. a long one i have to add.

It is just what i expected based on the screenshots. They made an xcom 1.5 basically. From that video, i dare to say its inferior even to the original, not to mention the many other tactical small squad games released since then.

I'm sure there will be people playing it, but i would rather go for XCOM:UFO and the unofficial patch, than to play the cheap copy/paste result called UFO:ET.
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Arcks




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PostPosted: Sat, 3rd Feb 2007 17:04    Post subject:
csebal wrote:


- Real time combat: no serious fan of strategy would complain about that. I mean how stupid is it, that the enemies don't act while i do? That they can't toss a grenade under my troops while im doing the same to them? The Simultaneous system has all the power of turn based mode with its configurable auto-pause options and the always available manual pause button, but at the same time it makes combat feel more realistic and living.


I just can't let this go. No serious fan of strategy would complain? How about serious fan of tactical games? Real-time can actually be implemented in a good manner, but unfortunately, Aftershock isn't a good example. There may be a inch of tactics here and there, but unfortunately game really doesn't make you employ them, as it's too goddamn easy. Mostly you just press button, watch aliens die, rinse and repeat. And katanas. Seriously, what the fuck?
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csebal




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PostPosted: Sat, 3rd Feb 2007 17:35    Post subject:
Arcks wrote:
csebal wrote:


- Real time combat: no serious fan of strategy would complain about that. I mean how stupid is it, that the enemies don't act while i do? That they can't toss a grenade under my troops while im doing the same to them? The Simultaneous system has all the power of turn based mode with its configurable auto-pause options and the always available manual pause button, but at the same time it makes combat feel more realistic and living.


I just can't let this go. No serious fan of strategy would complain? How about serious fan of tactical games? Real-time can actually be implemented in a good manner, but unfortunately, Aftershock isn't a good example. There may be a inch of tactics here and there, but unfortunately game really doesn't make you employ them, as it's too goddamn easy. Mostly you just press button, watch aliens die, rinse and repeat. And katanas. Seriously, what the fuck?


Care to explain? It's real time, yet you can stop it whenever you want, giving you all the thinking / order giving freedom turn based is so much praised for.

I don't know what stuff you are on to even make that comparison. Yeah.. the AI is not exceptionally good in AS, we've come to that conclusion a few times already. This however has nothing to do with tactical depth. There are few - if any - games out there that offer more options on the tactical level.

Not to mention the existance of mods, which if you use can enhance / change the gameplay in a drastical manner. For example try playing alien assault mod without reloading the game every time you lose a soldier. I wonder if you would ever get those katana wielding terminators, or generally if you would even consider going close combat when there are 10x as many enemies as in the vanilla game, and if you make it a rule not to reload every 5 minutes.
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Arcks




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PostPosted: Sat, 3rd Feb 2007 18:16    Post subject:
csebal wrote:


Care to explain? It's real time, yet you can stop it whenever you want, giving you all the thinking / order giving freedom turn based is so much praised for.

I don't know what stuff you are on to even make that comparison. Yeah.. the AI is not exceptionally good in AS, we've come to that conclusion a few times already. This however has nothing to do with tactical depth. There are few - if any - games out there that offer more options on the tactical level.


When the AI doesn't offer any real resistance, any tactical depth game offers becomes obsolete, making the game bad. Can't get more simpler than that. And I judge games as they are released (and patched). Not by their mods.
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ady5




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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Feb 2007 13:52    Post subject:
Well, UFO:ET will be a unofficial sequel to XCOM1&2, with better graphics and such. It's like Settlers2 10th Aniversary. Would you rather play Settlers 2 with today's graphics or Setlers 3-5 with that crappy gameplay?

But i disgress.

Afterlight will be released in the coming week, if we're to look at the release date. I hope it's a good game, but just by making the graphics more comicsy(?) and keeping the weird gameplay in place won't make it better than it's predecessors.

This game will succeed if it will provide more than the handfull of maps that Aftershock had(12 or so), an AI who is not like the brain of a drugged zombie(Aftershock excelled at that, it was like playing Diablo2, all enemies were homing on you, without any attempt at tactics), the bugs won't be too gamebreaking(but being made by Altar i wouldn't get my hopes up) and a gameplay who won't play against you, but rather for you(interface options, camera options, command orders, and so on)
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SuicideRun




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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Feb 2007 16:11    Post subject:
csebal wrote:
Care to explain? It's real time, yet you can stop it whenever you want, giving you all the thinking / order giving freedom turn based is so much praised for.
you've got that backwards.
the main advantage turn based has over pausable real time, and the single reason why most serious strategy fans prefers tb over rt is the fact that the ai can calculate its move properly, not the player.

while rt is the more logically coherent solution, tb offers many advantages over rt that are strategically and tactically more important than wondering why your tanks move while the others are standing still, and vice versa, simply because the cpu doesn't get clogged up with physics, pathfinding, scripting, and everything else. because of that you can have more acting units at once, no activation ranges, more complex pathfinding and behavioral algorithms, and so on.

either way, as for afterlight, i find it kind of cute. the comicy graphics at least make a better impression than the brown masses in the two previous titles, and work well with the slightly simplified controls. if you don't take it overly seriously as a strategy game it might actually be fun...
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Damador
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 12:59    Post subject:
http://forum.altargames.com//index.php?showtopic=4288&st=45 game aviable in stores in US

securom as copy protection - hope to see it soon
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 14:35    Post subject:
Aye really looking forward to this, I've ordered it but I've yet to recieve it, the mailman will probably hold it for ransom no doubt.
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hurley




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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 16:43    Post subject:
X-COM was always one my fav TB games along with JA and Fallout.
I'll skip ony this real time half baked attempt. Maybe UFO:ET gets it right.
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 17:03    Post subject:
hurley wrote:
X-COM was always one my fav TB games along with JA and Fallout.
I'll skip ony this real time half baked attempt. Maybe UFO:ET gets it right.

This isn't trying to reenact the " Enemy unknown" or "Terror from the deep" games this is a seperate franchise which has 'nothing' to do with X-Com.
"UFO: Extraterrestrials" will be the spiritual sucessor to those games, this is not it!, thats not to say that this is a bad game as it's most certainly is not!, it's just not an "X-Com" game and if you expect it to be you 'will' be dissapointed.
Now as a "X-Com" vet I didn't like these games "Aftershock and Afterlight" but that was because I expected it to be something which it wasn't, now I see that it has it's place in the strategy landscape and can compete equally to the likes of "Enemy Unknown" 'if' you talk about playability and overall enjoyment of the game.
I will be playing this for a great many hours, but I will also be playing "UFO: Extraterrestrials" when that gets released and I hope it will give me the nostalgic feeling that I remember from my youth on the Amiga with the original X-Com.
However this is a good game in it's own right and the AI is vastly improved compared to it's predessor: It utilizes tactics now, like hiding behind stuff, flanking you, various levels on intelligence based on the "actual" intelligence of the creature, like say for instance a dumb malfunctioning droid will not be able to flank you as it's just not in it's programming but a group of elite reticulans will flank you or set traps while running away from your superior numbers causing you to blow up or get cut in two if you fail detecting them.
You can construct your own weapons, this means you might research some new odd part which you discover and turn that into a weapon, thats fine but how about you combine this new weapons with other parts that you have or will discover later creating a vastly superior weapon than what you might have got if you just stuck with the vanilla version.
Also theres a big strategic aspect in the game, meaning you have to fight for and build mines, drillers and wells to maintain a constant flow of resources for your base to produce, research and build new buildings and functions for your base.
You have to train your people and have a strategy about what you want them to be or do which can get quite statisfying if you train some of your people to use technology which you find in the field or you train them to use implants or you train them as "dual classes" like a soldier/tech or civil engineer/scientist to discover new technologies or specialize in new fields of research.
Theres really alot more here than meets the eye, it's just not a "meh it's not X-com game" it's a great game in the same way that Oblivion is a great game but it's no Daggerfall Very Happy
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Arcks




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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 17:19    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:

Theres really alot more here than meets the eye, it's just not a "meh it's not X-com game" it's a great game in the same way that Oblivion is a great game but it's no Daggerfall Very Happy


Excellent way to make whole rant obsolete.
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 17:52    Post subject:
Arcks wrote:
Epsilon wrote:

Theres really alot more here than meets the eye, it's just not a "meh it's not X-com game" it's a great game in the same way that Oblivion is a great game but it's no Daggerfall Very Happy


Excellent way to make whole rant obsolete.

What once was will always have been better than what is, just ask any old geezer, the game is good and has many redeeming qualities in it, but whatever flamebait.
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Areius




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JiGSaW
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 19:50    Post subject:
nfo looks more pro now Laughing

NFO :

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Th3Plan
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 20:18    Post subject:
i love the last words at the end
"is this what you want? yeah.... okay fuck ya all! "
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 20:19    Post subject:
Th3Plan wrote:
i love the last words at the end
"is this what you want? yeah.... okay fuck ya all! "

Smile
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mYslead




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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 22:11    Post subject:
8.9/10 ? really ?
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Damador
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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 22:22    Post subject:
mYslead wrote:
8.9/10 ? really ?


dont look at reviews Smile 99 % of them are paid by the publishers

this game for me deserve 7.5 .. ( as the demo )
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MsBanzai




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PostPosted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 22:31    Post subject:
JiGSaW wrote:
nfo looks more pro now Laughing



yeah but still wondering why they wrote in the nfo title "PROGYON"
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Th3Plan
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 00:16    Post subject:
MsBanzai wrote:
JiGSaW wrote:
nfo looks more pro now Laughing



yeah but still wondering why they wrote in the nfo title "PROGYON"

its PROCYON the G dash is procyon , anyway i think they like this game , just look at the NFo from this game and Maelstrom Laughing
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silengate




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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 00:28    Post subject:

Very Happy Very Happy incl. release
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 00:31    Post subject:
Aye procyon are great, but their nfo's are crap Smile
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Vodka-Redbull




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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 00:40    Post subject:
1C? wtf??

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A-A




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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 01:25    Post subject:
Vodka-Redbull wrote:
1C? wtf??


1DVD.....
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Damador
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 01:27    Post subject:
anyone feel the nuke ? Smile seems that some ppl cant manage it to work
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Unauthorized




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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 01:28    Post subject:
A-A wrote:
Vodka-Redbull wrote:
1C? wtf??


1DVD.....


I'm pretty sure he is talking about the Developer "1C".. or I don't get your post at all.
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mYslead




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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 01:29    Post subject:
A-A wrote:
Vodka-Redbull wrote:
1C? wtf??


1DVD.....


i think he meant, the dev

/edit; blah someone was faster than me.
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 01:40    Post subject:
Damador wrote:
anyone feel the nuke ? Smile seems that some ppl cant manage it to work

Some people should try the included tool.
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Shizle
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 01:42    Post subject:
Damador wrote:
anyone feel the nuke ? Smile seems that some ppl cant manage it to work

like you Laughing sorry to say but your are the 1% that must buy this game
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007 01:44    Post subject:
Bah someone is impersonating Syco Sad
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