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 Posted: Thu, 8th Feb 2007 06:52 Post subject: how are activations kept track of for xp & vista? |
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my understanding of xp activation is that you give them system id#, msft runs a program and generates activation code, msft adds that activation code to the good list on msft mainframe.
if you install xp on another computer, same things happen, activation #2 is added to good list. BUT activation #1 is never removed. so there you can install concurrently on multiple systems (and get updates), so long as you can convince msft to activate (first 3 times are easy).
is all that accurate?
as for vista, everything works the same way, but now when msft gives you activation #2, they will remove activation #1 from the good list, so computer #1 will no longer be able to get updates. is this correct?
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Feb 2007 13:50 Post subject: |
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Bla, read if you have the will... It's long.
Every time you try to activate, Windows creates a hash of your hardware. Then it checks if the key is legit or not. Now, there's a debate whether MS actually check the keys with the licencing mainframe or just check if they are legit according to a formula. If legit, a new pair is created, the key and the hardware hash. If you have XP or Vista OEM, if you try to activate with a new hash, it will give you error and will require you to call MS. They are idiots and give the activation code anyway with no regard to hardware.  If you have Vista Retail, once a new hash comes, the old one is erased and the new one takes its place. The old one won't be able to activate (they keep track of old hashes), because MS specifically mentiones this scenario in the EULA. If activated on a PC, and then you buy a new PC, you have to remove the old installtion first. Because they keep track of that, the only thing to keep track of is the old activation hash.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Feb 2007 19:37 Post subject: |
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so everything you said sounds consistent with the first post then? that with xp you can have multiple activations concurrently with 1 cdkey, but with vista you can only have one activation at any time?
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Feb 2007 20:11 Post subject: |
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Oh boy, did you even read my post? Go at it again...
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 02:29 Post subject: |
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yeah i read your post. did you read mine?
| lnatan25 wrote: |
Every time you try to activate, Windows creates a hash of your hardware. Then it checks if the key is legit or not. ... If legit, a new pair is created, the key and the hardware hash. If you have XP or Vista OEM, if you try to activate with a new hash, it will give you error and will require you to call MS. They are idiots and give the activation code anyway with no regard to hardware. |
yeah, so msft will activate give new activation codes for xp which is consistent with what i said. you don't specifically comment on what happens to an old activation.
| lnatan25 wrote: |
If you have Vista Retail, once a new hash comes, the old one is erased and the new one takes its place. The old one won't be able to activate (they keep track of old hashes), because MS specifically mentiones this scenario in the EULA. If activated on a PC, and then you buy a new PC, you have to remove the old installtion first. Because they keep track of that, the only thing to keep track of is the old activation hash. |
yeah, so with vista retail, msft will only allow 1 activation at a time. also consistent with what i said.
your whole post sounded like a restatement of my post, so i was trying to make sure we're on the same page or if you were trying to make some other point i was missing.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007 02:36 Post subject: |
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Fot the love of god (of which there is none), I'll say it more clearly: OEM version gets only one hash activation and then evry time you have a new hardware you have to call MS. RETAIL versions get unlimited number of hash activations.
To be even more clear, I'll give you an example:
You install Vista on a PC and activate.
You now replace mobo and CPU. Windows asks for reactivation. OEM is fucked up. RETAIL can activate.
That's what I've heard from people trying the activation scheme. At any rate, why the hell buy if you have a working crack?
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