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Jenni
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 Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 11:15 Post subject: Did the Americans sink the Kursk? |
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 11:17 Post subject: |
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How about any so-called proof, allegations, conspiracy theories, or whatever to fire up the discussion from the start? 
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 11:21 Post subject: |
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Never seen the photo when they raised her?
That's defo penetration damage.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 11:55 Post subject: |
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Nah, I think we ought to blame the condition & design of the submarine itself.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 12:06 Post subject: |
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I think this hit it:
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 12:07 Post subject: |
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boys were testing their own new toys & blew themself up
putin covered it up,probably had something to do with some new tech
us had no motive,cold war is over,case closed
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 12:40 Post subject: |
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If that was the case why did the American Sub put into Norway for repairs?
Not to mention the massive aid package the yanks gave the Russians just weeks later.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 14:36 Post subject: |
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Well lets look at that photo shall we Cleavsa. The Mk46 torpedo is designed to hit a sub mid section where the commanders station is. As the nose section has been removed we can't tell how far that indent is but we can clearly see it is an indent.
The Kursk was supposedly test firing the new Shkval to demonstrate it to the Chinese.
Also why would a Los Angeles class submarine dock at the Norwegian naval sub base called Haakonsvern. This base isn't designed for subs and subsequently the boat went to Southampton.
This was shown up on a Russian spy satellite.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 14:41 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | Also why would a Los Angeles class submarine dock at the Norwegian naval sub base called Haakonsvern. This base isn't designed for subs and subsequently the boat went to Southampton. |
I don't know where you got that information, but Haakonsvern is the sea defense's main base and is the biggest marine base of the North. |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 14:50 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | | Also why would a Los Angeles class submarine dock at the Norwegian naval sub base called Haakonsvern. This base isn't designed for subs and subsequently the boat went to Southampton. |
I don't know where you got that information, but Haakonsvern is the sea defense's main base and is the biggest marine base of the North. |
yeah, full panic when it happend. My cosin was out there, they did their best :\
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TSR69
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 14:57 Post subject: |
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The other submarine docked in an English base. There were pictures takes, showing they masked the area on top of the hull where the rescue buoy resides.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 14:59 Post subject: |
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I've seen that photo too.
Looking for information on Haakonsvern. Lots of photos but none of docked subs.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 15:16 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't rest your case just yet. That photo of the USS Dallas is certainly not at a Submarine Naval base. You see you need cranes to load torpedos. So I seriously doubt that it is a base for subs.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 15:24 Post subject: |
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It's not only a sub base, Jenni, it supports a lot of other vessels.
| Quote: | | Haakonsvern contains the Royal Norwegian Naval Training Establishment (KNM Tordenskjold) as well as repair and maintenance facilities (including an underground dock facility with the capacity to take frigates). |
Now it's time for you to let it sink into your brain, Jenni. 
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TSR69
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 15:29 Post subject: |
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Where did you pick this up so suddenly Jenni? I saw a Belgium documentary about this, or better said a conspiracy theory. It went that far to claim that we barely escaped WWIII and that one the US submarines actually shot one torpedo at the Kursk that caused the Kursk's undoing. All evidence was circumstantial and indirect. It was interesting to watch but made me frown my eyebrows what the Belgians were trying to accomplish here.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 15:29 Post subject: |
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LOL!! Nothing there about subs. 
I watched a documentary a few months ago.
I just did some research on it.
Seems strange.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | LOL!! Nothing there about subs. |
Since you are incredibly tight-arsed today:
http://www.mil.no/sjo/hos/
| Quote: | | Basen er hjemmehavn for storparten av fartøyene i Sjøforsvaret. I tillegg til Kystvakt Sør sine fartøyer har MTBer, fregatter, ubåter, mineryddere og minedykkere sin hjemmehavn utenfor Bergen. Dersom alle fartøyene hadde gått til kai samtidig ville 25 kystvakt- og marinefartøyer lagt innenfor området til orlogsstasjonen. Oftest er de fleste ute på oppdrag og bare innom Haakonsvern for nødvendige forsyninger og reparasjoner. |
Straight from the official webside of Haakonsvern. Once again, U-båt = U-boat. And if you still can't believe it, you can give Deelix' cousin a ring. |
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 15:39 Post subject: |
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Well I'll have to take your word for it. Seeing as my Norwegian is as bad as my Japanese.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 15:51 Post subject: |
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They may as well be for me. 
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 17:56 Post subject: |
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ohh noes ... not again ... stop it with these stupid conspiracies.anyway what would be the motives for destroying an russian sub?
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006 18:18 Post subject: |
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The americans had no interest in sinking a NUCLEAR russian sub.
This is one of the lamest conspiracy theories ever.
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