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azzman
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Its a start , im sure decrypting the movie will be a task and a half
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Dec 2006 16:43 Post subject: |
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lol i am starting to feel sorry for those with a download/upload restriction at their ISP.
lets say a cracked release is 15 GB
damn lol
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Dec 2006 17:46 Post subject: |
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Can you play a blueray movie on a PC, like can you mount the ISO in Deamon Tools and then play the movie back through some media player?
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Dec 2006 18:47 Post subject: |
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| thebeliever wrote: | | Can you play a blueray movie on a PC, like can you mount the ISO in Deamon Tools and then play the movie back through some media player? |
Well, like Azzman said above, it's just raw data (encrypted), and Blu-Ray is a much heavier encryption than DVD.
So it's kind of like copying over the VIDEO_TS folder from a dvd to your PC. It's not playable until you find a way to decrypt the protection.
Once they figure it out then a blu-ray movie is just a media file like any other and it's either encoded in AVC (Mpeg4), VC-1, or MPEG2
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Dec 2006 18:58 Post subject: |
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I'm sure DVD John can do it.
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Supino
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Dec 2006 20:53 Post subject: |
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no he can't.. He's just a hype.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 00:27 Post subject: |
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Seriously, who gives a shit about Blu-Ray movies when they're 20GB. The quality doesn't justify that size at all.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 01:01 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Seriously, who gives a shit about Blu-Ray movies when they're 20GB. The quality doesn't justify that size at all. |
Are you kidding? I guess you've never downloaded true HDTV before. Transport Streams (.TS) files are 10GB / hour, it's a standard size for 1080i/p streams since they first started appearing over 1 year ago.
With the recent release of 750GB Hard Drives, not to mention BLU RAY BURNERS which are already on the market, true videophiles will have no problem with these file sizes.
If you only have 720p, then you can always re-encode these into 1280x720 xvids/divx which will probably be about 4 GB/hr
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azzman
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 01:09 Post subject: |
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well encoded 1080i/p or even 720p for that matter is a sight to behold on a decent display. When your using front projection on a 120" screen its a godsend compared to standard DVD.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 02:11 Post subject: |
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What I was getting at is the fact that at the moment HD-DVD's are offering equal if not better picture quality. Although I know Blue-Ray has the potential to be superior.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 03:04 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | What I was getting at is the fact that at the moment HD-DVD's are offering equal if not better picture quality. Although I know Blue-Ray has the potential to be superior. |
Do you own either, because you seem to be regurgitating netspeak --
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray USE THE SAME CODECS!
Therefore most HDDVD movies would also be 20GB when ripped
Most HD-DVD's are encoded using VC-1.
90% of Blu-Ray releases are encoded using VC-1 and AVC Mpeg4
The majority of HD-DVDs are put on 30GB (Dual Layer) discs.
Blu-Ray discs are put on either 25GB (Single Layer) or 50GB (Dual Layer) discs.
The extra space allows them to encode at higher bitrates on Blu-Ray
I own both the 360 add-on HD-DVD drive and the PS3, but most of the movies I buy are on Blu-Ray. For example, on Superman Returns, the Bonus Materials are severely compressed on HDDVD but on Blu-Ray there's plenty of room to put them in at full quality.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 03:38 Post subject: |
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I'm sure you want to feel that you haven't wasted your money on the PS3, but so far i've seen nothing that justifies the cost of Blu-Ray over HD-DVD's. It's alot less then 90% anyway.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 06:02 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | I'm sure you want to feel that you haven't wasted your money on the PS3, but so far i've seen nothing that justifies the cost of Blu-Ray over HD-DVD's. It's alot less then 90% anyway. |
How is Blu-Ray more expensive?
Cheapest 360 (No Hard Drive) = $300 + HDDVD Addon ($200) = $500
Cheapest PS3 (20GB Hard Drive) = $500
And the actual movies are the exact same price on Amazon.
If you visit HighDefDigest.com you will see that almost EVERY Blu-Ray release uses either VC-1 or AVC.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 22:55 Post subject: |
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Erm.. sweet. Did it say if it was MPEG2 or H.264? For MPEG2 the bitrate is NOT ENOUGH and not equal to a high quality DVD movie (12mbit for thrice the resolution vs 9mbit for a third the resolution with the same codec!).
edit. the filetype is .m2ts which sounds like mpeg2 transport stream. Though it could be a leftover from the idiot forced MPEG2 days of bluray and they didnt feel the need to change filetypes with codec (like .vob).
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Dec 2006 00:49 Post subject: |
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| topaz420 wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | I'm sure you want to feel that you haven't wasted your money on the PS3, but so far i've seen nothing that justifies the cost of Blu-Ray over HD-DVD's. It's alot less then 90% anyway. |
How is Blu-Ray more expensive?
Cheapest 360 (No Hard Drive) = $300 + HDDVD Addon ($200) = $500
Cheapest PS3 (20GB Hard Drive) = $500
And the actual movies are the exact same price on Amazon.
If you visit HighDefDigest.com you will see that almost EVERY Blu-Ray release uses either VC-1 or AVC. |
Good points. My friend has the HDDVD addon for his 360, and i've seen how fantastic that can look on a projector.
My only experience with blu-ray movies is with the MPEG2 codec, and obviously that doesn't do it justice. I just assumed they would pretty much all be the same. Considering it was also on a blu-ray player which cost a ton compared to the HDDVD addon, you can see how my bias came about. Guess i'll have to hold out judgement until I see what it's really capable of.
So, when it's properly encoded, would you say blu-ray quality is equal to or better then HDDVD quality?
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Dec 2006 01:42 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So, when it's properly encoded, would you say blu-ray quality is equal to or better then HDDVD quality? |
It's going to be pretty much the same. The benefit for Blu-Ray is that it's capable of doing a lot more storage space than a HD-DVD can, which ultimately means it can have a constant higher quality for a long length movie than a HD-DVD could do. Take for example something like Lord of the Rings extended versions which come in around 4 hours in length. That, at 1080p for HD-DVD would take about 35-40 GB of storage, and is more than it can hold (even Dual Layer discs which is a 30 GB limit), therefore they'd have to lower the quality of the movie slightly to be able to fit it onto the discs (unless they plan on splitting the movie over several discs, would be suck tremendously). Blu-Ray however, wouldn't have too, and they would even have room for some extras on the disc.
I think it'll boil down to price in the end, which one of the two costs less.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Dec 2006 01:59 Post subject: |
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It'll boil down to which can play porn the best, just like the BetaMax/VHS war.
[21:38] <chiz***> how do you "had" aids
[21:38] <Voyevoda> when you get it down to 1 aid
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<JonTG> Man, my penis is so big if I laid it out on a keyboard it'd go all the way from A to Z
<JonTG> wait, shit
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Dec 2006 04:20 Post subject: |
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| flib wrote: | | Quote: | | So, when it's properly encoded, would you say blu-ray quality is equal to or better then HDDVD quality? |
It's going to be pretty much the same. The benefit for Blu-Ray is that it's capable of doing a lot more storage space than a HD-DVD can, which ultimately means it can have a constant higher quality for a long length movie than a HD-DVD could do. Take for example something like Lord of the Rings extended versions which come in around 4 hours in length. That, at 1080p for HD-DVD would take about 35-40 GB of storage, and is more than it can hold (even Dual Layer discs which is a 30 GB limit), therefore they'd have to lower the quality of the movie slightly to be able to fit it onto the discs (unless they plan on splitting the movie over several discs, would be suck tremendously). Blu-Ray however, wouldn't have too, and they would even have room for some extras on the disc.
I think it'll boil down to price in the end, which one of the two costs less. |
Being a LOTR fan, i would love to have all three continuously joined on a bluray disc.
WOW. Bring on the popcorn 
Funnily enough it doesn't seem to be on the cards for Blu-ray but it is for HD-DVD.
Not on the list:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/
Coming soon to HD-DVD:
http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Trilogy-HD-DVD/dp/B000E1MTX6/sr=1-149/qid=1165373599/ref=sr_1_149/102-0298135-5532179?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
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