Are games getting "Dumb" ???
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poullou




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 15:28    Post subject:
I'm not comparing sales with content. I know they can sell their games because we see how many companies now exist producing...shitty games Wink

I was reffering to 'teh graphs suxorz' being a continual of what you stated 2-3 lines above that Wink


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Pfiemelcheese




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 16:55    Post subject:
are you say is they have hiring prostitute for have better graphic? I no understanding, i see pornnomovie and it too lot of suxing, i no understandig poullou, you explaining to me what have prostitute doing in game company? It make peeple who making game more better at him job? I no hearing of this? Is continual also sexy term, they then what be doing to gamemaker the prostitute does do?

I again make picturegraff of what i is meaning,



what is the ? in drawings? I is no that my englingsh is not the gooder of you but i having learn by day to the day.

You have seeing to got Mass Effect, it game is, but it game is very good and not shitty.

http://masseffect.bioware.com/


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FroggerFragger




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 16:55    Post subject:
It's not all games fault, most of you wankers are just bunch of whining girls.

But I do think most games could be better too Smile
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Unauthorized




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 17:01    Post subject:
Pfiemelcheese wrote:
are you say is they have hiring prostitute for have better graphic? I no understanding, i see pornnomovie and it too lot of suxing, i no understandig poullou, you explaining to me what have prostitute doing in game company? It make peeple who making game more better at him job? I no hearing of this? Is continual also sexy term, they then what be doing to gamemaker the prostitute does do?

I again make picturegraff of what i is meaning,
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what is the ? in drawings? I is no that my englingsh is not the gooder of you but i having learn by day to the day.

You have seeing to got Mass Effect, it game is, but it game is very good and not shitty.

http://masseffect.bioware.com/


Boake or just a hoax. Either way, stop it.
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Pfiemelcheese




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 17:04    Post subject:
this is twice time peeple is call me a Boake, what is a Boake, i no noing word? Is offendering if i make the drawing?


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exon




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 17:06    Post subject:
Pfiemelcheese wrote:
are you say is they have hiring prostitute for have better graphic? I no understanding, i see pornnomovie and it too lot of suxing, i no understandig poullou, you explaining to me what have prostitute doing in game company? It make peeple who making game more better at him job? I no hearing of this? Is continual also sexy term, they then what be doing to gamemaker the prostitute does do?

I again make picturegraff of what i is meaning,
 Spoiler:
 

what is the ? in drawings? I is no that my englingsh is not the gooder of you but i having learn by day to the day.

You have seeing to got Mass Effect, it game is, but it game is very good and not shitty.

http://masseffect.bioware.com/


I think Pfiemelcheese is Ali G.
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Unauthorized




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 17:12    Post subject:
Don't look here. It's just Offtopic.

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Pfiemelcheese




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 17:21    Post subject:
i have sorry i watching porno and i is not having pick up on meanings of continual state, why you is attaking me? I is ask simple question, i looking on the worldlingo transaltot and it no say??? You say is that is strange, i think not stange is, it translating some word not end i have plecing my wurds to making full sentens.

You is same peeple that is accusing me of be the Boake, I not liking peeple call me with the bad word when i no done to you wrong.


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exon




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 17:56    Post subject:
Unauthorized wrote:
Don't look here. It's just Offtopic.

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and thus: Understanding prostitutes is continual!
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woozap




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 18:24    Post subject:
Well, i guess i am not alone when 10 years ago i thought that the future of gaming would be nice. Only to be dissappointed with nowadays games.

And yes Fallout 3 will be consolized and yes Bethesda went from good developer trying to make the best out of games to a money hogging multi-platform - who cares a shit about fanbase its the masses we want - mentality. (for example, dumbed down for xbox360 6 hour main story @oblivion, buy plugins? wtf).

In the end M$ is to blame for one. Before the XBOX there was a nice clean line between PC games and console (ps2 / nintendo mainly) but then the XBOX was launched and M$ forced - with a big bag of money - alot of PC games & its developers, to develop for their console. They do this till this day and other consoles jumped the bandwagon - playstation - (bioware is one of the best RPG studios who sold out, masseffect, jade empire, kotor, offcourse, fable, fable 2, bungies halo (PC project), deus ex 2, GTA series, Elder Scrolls Oblivion for example). Which in my opinion all lack a certain feeling, a lack of vision and are all dumbed down. GTA would have been much more if it would have been continued to be developed on the PC, MassEffect would have much more potential if it was PC only. They reach the ceiling of what the console can take and from that moment the developers are bound by that ceiling and dumb games down. While for the PC you can go, hey we can add this new thing, and this and that, possibilities are endless and not like "shit that cant get in, the xbox will blow itself up, we need more LOADING area's".

They thought that alot of non-geeks had problems to get good PC games working (and yes that can be difficult, especially in the past) so lets make a console take the good pc games, dumb them down put it in the discplayer turn it on and play! everyone will love us and we will be POWERFULL in the console industry too! hahahaha. The dumb people who never got involved in PC games dont know the good old days, with very nice innovative games, sometimes it took a while to get it running but it was worth it in the end.

So in the end, us PC games whine because the games went to shit, quality, gameplay wise. The console only people dont give a shit, because they dont know what they are missing anyways. In the end the sad fact is that consoles make more money.
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Pfiemelcheese




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 18:56    Post subject:
exon wrote:
and thus: Understanding prostitutes is continual!


so you is say, i need have to understanding the prostitute firstly end then i understanding the continual? Can you not telling me now, i no want go to prostitute to be asking that silly is!
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mighty_fc
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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 19:07    Post subject:
i really hate the whole "dumbing down" trend.. its like they dont evolve games anymore.. Sad 1 button for every action SUCKS! one particular thing i really hate is how they are trying to "dumb down" rpg's too now oblivion and gothic 3 being prime examples

where's the game you actually have to THINK in ?... still have my hopes for nwn2 tho im fearing it got struck by this trend also...
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Siddhartha




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 19:33    Post subject:
It is really very simple: the more money it costs to create a game, the more the game has to sell. The best way the studios have found to increase game sales is to make the games more accessible to average gamers who do not want to spend a week learning how to play a game. Some of the newer games may lack the depth of the originals, but remember that people generally care more about graphics than about a few missing features that the original had. Here is an example: if a game developer decided to make an updated sequel to X-Com: Ufo Unknown, would you prefer them to a) improve the graphics but take out a few features or b) improve the graphics slightly but increase the AI, player options, multiplayer, etc.? The answer is subjective, yet often the developers don't have the budget or manpower to make the perfect game. At the end of the day, its not that they want to make anyone angry, but a simple business decision where the developers and publishers need to make more than they spend or they go out of business. If they upset some of you in the process, its just an inevitable part of doing business.
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exon




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 21:48    Post subject:
The perfect solution is to make games for the pc FIRST and then dumb them down for the consoles!
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mmix2000




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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 23:42    Post subject:
exon wrote:
The perfect solution is to make games for the pc FIRST and then dumb them down for the consoles!


It would be perfect for us, but its not economically justified for developer. Droolbox games have two economical game advantages, standardized input and standardized computing /graphics platform, saving a ton of money on testing so all present and future development will start from droolbox. Downside is that all UI functionality based on the mouse/keyboard gets sacrificed. Reintroducing that functionality in post-droolbox does not make economic sense, so the gamepad functionality is retained but is "emulated" by mouse/keyboard. For fps, not such a big deal, but for rpg, adventure, strategy it's a big handicap that comprises about half of the "dubing" effect. The other half is "funization" I spoke of before. God forbid you should have to learn something Smile
As for Fallout2, dont get you hopes up, it will suck. You will be able to choose among three nex-gen types of shading, but UI and game story will be on the pre-school level. I wouldn't b surprised if mutants are fluffy and kuddly to appeal to feminine side of audience Smile

I have completely given up on mainstream publishers. Crap they release is not even worth the bandwidth let alone the cardboard they are packed in. And yes, Civ4 was good after I installed tons of mods, but counting on modding community to complete your product is a bad, bad thing. The only genre that remained true to itself is FPS, it was dumb before its dumb now Smile, relax and shoot everything that movesl nothing wrong with it, but sometimes you really should use your brains a bit (they are like muscles, use em or lose em ) Smile Unfortunately, number of games you could use to stretch the brain is steadily converging to zero.

There are only two hopes for us, one is that Vista/DX10 will provide sufficient standardization to stimulate developers, and the other is INDY community. Do remmember that for all intents and purposes Chris Sawyer's production of TT was an INDY project.
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Pfiemelcheese




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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Oct 2006 01:18    Post subject:
It not in advantage if it not be move, its not work bekaus it send mark to devloper. We not must sit and not do, it is other way that work around, they have been make, not we. It not matter when it play over time, it most important that it put in tieme of what we make of it. You is say it is brain that make zero, but i thinking only computer do that and you learn now frm me. I understanding you say it be make by the man but it be make by man on finally the computer.

Vista i try, but it no bring change, it still have same game if maker be sit and not do new.

yes it hard is, it will tell me by the time.


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