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miragui
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Location: Venezuela
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I see religion as ignorance. A lot of people just use it to justify problems and mistakes, I mean kill someone just prey a little and everything fine. Fuck it! I like to face my problems and my mistakes by myself don't need no shitty religion for that.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 00:50 Post subject: |
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Everytime I see someone has replyed in this thread, I start to sing Alanis Morissett.
If God had a name what would it be?
And would you call it to his face?
If you were faced with him in all his glory
what would you ask if you had just one question?
Yeah, Yeah, God is great
Yeah, Yeah, God is good
Yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
If God had a face
What would it look like?
And would you want to see
If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and Jesus and the saints
and all the Prophets
Yeah Yeah God is great
Yeah Yeah God is good
Yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Just trying to make his way home
Back up to Heaven all alone
Nobody callin' on the phone
cept for the Pope maybe in Rome
Yeah Yeah God is great
Yeah Yeah God is good
Yeah Yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Like a holly Rolling Stone
Back up to Heaven all alone
Just trying to make his way home
Nobody callin' on the phone
'cept for the Pope maybe in Rome
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 00:56 Post subject: |
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She had a few good songs still.
What was that one song called...i think it was also the name of a cd, Jagged little pill or something like that? Girl grunge rockers are cool...well, she kinda used to be 
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 01:20 Post subject: |
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She is one of the artists I can match my voice too. Same pitch.
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Ronhrin
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Location: Paradigms are changeable, reality is absolute.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 01:35 Post subject: |
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now that we're talking about music, I answer this thread with the following.
11-clawfinger-god_is_dead
There's no god for you to worship, no master to obey
There's not a soul that you can blame for all the stupid things you say
There's nowhere you can turn yo, no words to justify
Cos' no currency is valid for the faith you want to buy
No more excuses, no need for blind belief
There's no one to accuse to break yourself a bigger piece
No books to follow, no quotes to twist around
There'll be no more bending over just to reach for higher ground
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A VOICE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A MONSTER UNDER YOUR BED
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A VOICE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A GHOST UNDER YOUR BED
There's no need for false confessions, no more feeling guilt
No powerlords to kneel before, no crosses being built
There are no rules for you too live by, no other cheek to turn
Stop begging for forgiveness, there's no lesson you must learn
No future conflicts no opinions that collide
There's not a trace of blood on your hands you don't have to choose a side
No pointless killing and no more feeling shame
No sacrifices being made in someone elses name
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A VOICE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A MONSTER UNDER YOUR BED
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A VOICE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A GHOST UNDER YOUR BED
It's all make believe it's all conceived in your own dreams
You're painting pictures of imaginary scenes
It seems like you're looking for some kind of confirmation
But you're in desperate need of a different revelatïon
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A VOICE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A GHOST UNDER YOUR BED
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A VOICE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A MONSTER UNDER YOUR BED
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A VOICE INSIDE YOUR HEAD
GOD IS DEAD, HE'S JUST A GHOST UNDER YOUR BED
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 02:52 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | She is one of the artists I can match my voice too. Same pitch. |
Do a recording for us   |
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 05:35 Post subject: |
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SycoShaman
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 06:51 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | | She is one of the artists I can match my voice too. Same pitch. |
Do a recording for us |
Ohhh so a recording is ok but you aren't interested in my sexy picture. heheh
NO! |
Of course im interested in your pic
Im waiting Im not gunna rush ya
Awww, no alanis cover....  |
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 09:36 Post subject: |
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A god? Yes.
God, who banged some 14 year old girl in Bethlehem and got someone to nail his only son to a plank of wood? No.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 09:45 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You ether think god is some big dude in the sky .. Creation theory |
Creation theory is a specific subset of Christian belief that accepts Genesis as literal truth, not a catch all term for belief in a god.
| Quote: | | You think god is nothing .. Chaos theory |
Wrong again. The belief that there is no god, no purpose to life etc, is called nihilism. Chaos theory is a branch of mathematics dealing with the behaviour of non-linear systems.
| Quote: | | Or you think god is something .. evolution .. Gaia Theory |
Yet again wrong. Gaia theory is the belief that the Earth's biosphere is a self regulating system
10/10 for abusing ideas you don't understand, tho.
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ChinUp
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Location: 51.7° N ' 1.1° W
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 21:30 Post subject: |
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muppet .. < Dear dear .. did I disrupt you regimental little notions .. pfft .. try reading & thinking next time ..
Point I was making was .. the god issue is fraught with head games .. just look @ all the atheists in this thread referring to god as “him” or a person .. its clear the monotheistic programming has effectively done its work on them .. even though they are clear that worshipping is ridiculous .. they still regard god as a master figure . tut tut .. if I were you people if you don’t want to promote worship .. I would make more of an effort not to pass on the notion god is some dude . .
When you wash off all of BULL .. you have simple human behavior .. that refers to some otherness .. some say they are talking to themselves .. others say they are praying ..
So we have a straightforward three way shift .. those who believe in some deity & pray worship him .. those who believe there is something out there @ work, but worshipping isn’t there way .. just respect for the mystery of life .. & others who disregard any notions of anything that isn’t provable & believe in nothing .. say god is nothing .. perpetually referring to nothing to explain away any mystery or coincidence or magic that occurs to them ..
Me I have seen enough of life to know that its far more than what meats the eye ..
"I could not say I believe — I know! I have had the experience of being gripped by something that is stronger than myself, something that people call God." ~Carl Jung
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Sep 2006 04:58 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | muppet .. < Dear dear .. did I disrupt you regimental little notions .. pfft .. try reading & thinking next time ..
Point I was making was .. the god issue is fraught with head games .. just look @ all the atheists in this thread referring to god as “him” or a person .. its clear the monotheistic programming has effectively done its work on them .. even though they are clear that worshipping is ridiculous .. they still regard god as a master figure . tut tut .. if I were you people if you don’t want to promote worship .. I would make more of an effort not to pass on the notion god is some dude . .
When you wash off all of BULL .. you have simple human behavior .. that refers to some otherness .. some say they are talking to themselves .. others say they are praying ..
So we have a straightforward three way shift .. those who believe in some deity & pray worship him .. those who believe there is something out there @ work, but worshipping isn’t there way .. just respect for the mystery of life .. & others who disregard any notions of anything that isn’t provable & believe in nothing .. say god is nothing .. perpetually referring to nothing to explain away any mystery or coincidence or magic that occurs to them ..
Me I have seen enough of life to know that its far more than what meats the eye ..
"I could not say I believe — I know! I have had the experience of being gripped by something that is stronger than myself, something that people call God." ~Carl Jung |
Have you ever read about Jung's stuff on shamanism and inducing alternate states of reality? Fuckin trippy shit. Right up my alley |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Sep 2006 09:56 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | muppet .. < Dear dear .. did I disrupt you regimental little notions .. pfft .. try reading & thinking next time .. |
Not really. You've taken 3 completely arbitrary divisions of belief and presented them as the only 3 options - it fails to account for the Manicheans, Cathars and the other dualist faiths, fails to account for polytheism, Deism, agnosticism etc. You can start out with the basic principle of there is a god/there is no god, but what you call "chaos theory" is clearly a subset of what you call "creation theory"
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Sep 2006 10:13 Post subject: |
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oooooooo Noooooooooose muppet thinks I'm wrong .. how will I make it through the day ..
what you fail to realize is all talk of god is faulted .. when your mouth is shut & your mind in empty & wide open you are perceiving god or not .. any diversion from that state is a jaunt into a slanted view .. thus we have to accept that whatever we say will have a certain amount of ambiguity .. & thus peckers will be able to pick holes .. if they cant think of anything constructive to offer ..
Most who refuse to acknowledge the human propensity to address thin air as if it was listening .. for example .. what the F*ck .. & assert that nothing is listening to them .. (disregarding all the ears apart from human ears, disregarding the effects of sound & emotion on material & immaterial things) .. assert they are merely talking to themselves .. a totally close-minded self centered view on reality .. sparing them from having to take on board their effects on the world around them & the effects of the world around them on themselfs .. so I negligently thrust said individuals into the chaos theory group .. not in a exact definition sense .. but in a sense of said people buy into notions of randomness, coincidence, & accidents to side step having to use there brains ..
Others like sy & I are willing to acknowledge that there is indeed more afoot than what meets the eye ..& life is a constant gambit of honest observation, understanding as much as we can of our effects & effects occurring to us .. not worshipping said mystifying factors of life .. but respecting life for it
Others still .. choose to shut down there brains & buy into church dictates on reality .. because its far easier than taking on board the task of developing our awareness of reality that occurs outside of proven science .. & lets people pretend they are children with a daddy in the sky looking after them all there lives ..
Did you read about the Romanian prisoner who sued god .. because he had done everything the clergy told him he was supposed to .. but still fell into a situation where he had to kill someone to protect his family .. & thus was imprisoned for murder .. never did he even begin to imagine that it was his job to build awareness & insight in order to find better ways & means .. always believing if he did what the church told him .. god would look after him ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Sep 2006 10:43 Post subject: |
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I understand what you're saying, but you're conflating fervency of belief with membership of an organised religion - not all fanatics go to a church, some believe in crystal healing and midnight dancing on the solstice. You seem to be taking 2 axes of belief - belief in a god, and adherence to fixed beliefs, and combining them into one. My problem isn't with what you're saying, it's with the way you're saying it.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Sep 2006 16:30 Post subject: |
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Crap poll choice. Put me down for "dunno" as I don't believe in any organised religion but have my own personal beliefs that don't incoprorate kiddy or simplistic notions.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Sep 2006 04:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Sep 2006 04:48 Post subject: |
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hey, if you like your plant life i can see why this would be right up your street.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Feb 2008 21:22 Post subject: All Loving God. |
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Some interesting posts. Hello all.
How about another view from a Gnostic Christian? Here's what that means.. The Devil, Sin, Hell are all completely man made for controling others. Aferall, you cannot have an All Loving God if you believe in a Satan. We're all allowed Free Will it's what we do with that Free Will that matters. Now I have no believe in Demons or a Satan, which would promote guilt. The Church made all that crap up a long time ago. I've done a lot of research & check out the research of others.
Another point I'll bring up.... I believe in science & I believe God has given us the ability ask "Why?" & find out the answers. God (for me, it's Father & Mother God..afterall, we're Male & Female, right?... This also goes back to the days of Pegans.) allows us to discover where we live & as we grow we learn more.
No outright intervening, because if that happened we wouldn't learn anything. There has to be Good and Evil (Evil for the sake of argument...) because that's how we learn. If we didn't have any negitive everything would be peachy, & that would be boring as Hell.
I can go into more detail but I cannot pick a vote here because none falls in with what I believe. Oh... 1 more thing to add to this cool debate...
We planned our lives before we came here. Just like Jesus said, "They will be done." meaning he didn't want to die then, BUT he planned his life (as we all do) before he came here, & it has to be fullfilled. Afterall, we Go Through Hell as we live. This is where Hell is.It's hard to live here....but we need to learn & we impact other people's lives as we do.
Jesus was very intelligent & did a lot of learning from all over the place. I do not believe he died on the cross (I'll save that for later..) but lived a long, long time. He was Spiritually alive, even Psychic....but NOT the Son of God.
I cannot stand Religeon because it's filled with Dogma & lies. I am, however, Spiritual & there's a HUGE, Huge differenece.
Any intelliegent comments?
Keep Information Free, Keep It Open.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Feb 2008 21:27 Post subject: |
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Some legendary options for answering the poll.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Feb 2008 21:43 Post subject: |
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I'll agree with that. Brainwashing is a horrible thing. Just like putting money into a collection plate.
Many people don't get that Jesus did not follow himself. He did, however, get pissed at the hypocrisy.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Feb 2008 01:35 Post subject: |
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I like to be opened minded so I chose the duno option.
But its unlikely that there is a god more like a exploitative ET playing the rule of a god.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Feb 2008 01:37 Post subject: |
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Eh, it's probably someone playing an RTS up there. You know, Black & White 764 or something...
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Feb 2008 02:06 Post subject: |
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Hehe...I've entertained the idea that we're the Real Sims. Being able to ponder it without being told "You're not supposed to ask such questions, just know that it is." which is a real statement I got years ago. Which of course makes that person smart & and the person asking the question stupid thus retain control.
Even with what I stated above I'm keep open to any & all (intelligent) conversations here & everywhere else.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Feb 2008 02:26 Post subject: |
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Nah it's the fact that there is some mysterious correlation between people who are more then casual internet go'ers and their opinion (Or lack of) on religion.
If you ask someone on the internet "What do you think about religion" and you ask the same thing to someone on the street you'd get two seperate answers.
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