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ginge51
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006 04:54 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006 05:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006 10:51 Post subject: |
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I remember watching on MEMRI a part of a TV show where some dude showed how you can find the speed of light in the Quran. That was shit imo.
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CPHKA
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 06:49 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 11:59 Post subject: |
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University of Southern California: The Qur'an, Knowledge, and Science
| Quote: | The Relationship Between the Qur'an and Modern Science
Modern scientific theory today finds itself quite close to the Qur'an. There are at least two reasons behind this observation. The first is the lack of inconsistencies between the Qur'an and observable natural phenomena. Science has not been able to produce theories or experiments that fundamentally contradict the Qur'an. Had our science done so, either our understanding of the Qur'an or of the world would have been to blame: the Qur'an itself is true for all times. The second reason for the remarkable harmony between the Qur'an and science is the presence in the Qur'an itself of very clear and positive encouragement to contemplate and investigate the world around us. As the verses quoted above indicate, Allah has not forbidden man to question, and in fact, it seems He wants us to do so.
However, the Qur'an goes beyond simply encouraging all human beings to be aware of the natural world. It also contains widely dispersed references on a variety of subjects which are not only scientifically accurate, but in some cases, quite advanced relative to the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saas). For the Muslim who reads and understands these references, they serve to strengthen his or her faith of course. For the non-Muslim who questions the authenticity or authorship of the Qur'an, these references provide some interesting answers. One possible reason for these Qur'anic verses which describe the natural world can be found in the following verse:
[41:53] Soon will We show them Our Signs in the (farthest) horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes manifest to them that it is the Truth...
The historical event which this verse alludes to is the conquest of Makkah. However, almost every verse in the Qur'an carries a historical and a universal meaning, and therefore one possible interpretation of this verse is that it refers to the gradual discovery of greater and greater natural "evidence" of the Creator's involvement in our world. Two of the most important and most fascinating goals of modern science are to peer farther and farther out to the edge of the universe, and to look deeper and deeper into the structure of the human body. It is in these two areas that we find the "signature" of Allah's creative power at its strongest. |
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/scislam.html
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 14:45 Post subject: |
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Compu forget about it ok, its a fairytale. Just do your prayers daily and dont search for science there, because there isnt.
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 16:36 Post subject: |
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| Freakness wrote: | | Compu forget about it ok, its a fairytale. Just do your prayers daily and dont search for science there, because there isnt. |
You chosing to ignore it is quite diferent from it not being there  |
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 17:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 17:48 Post subject: |
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| swingman wrote: | OMG!!!!!!!!
I am totally convinced. Where do I sign up to convert to Islam. 
On second thoughts I'll give it a pass. Don't mean to bash (and I'm happy you are happy with your religion) but all religions are outdated and have outlived their usefulness. They were invented in a time of lawlessness as a means to restore order and sometimes to unite people under a single banner against an external enemy. We don't need religion-based systems anymore because we have laws against lawlessness  and most people in the world have a common banner of their own, ie their nationality.
Having said that, I think you should reflect on this whole system of religion and how we fit into it. I remember you mentioning somewhere that you are from Egypt so in all probability your ancestors worshipped Ra and all that stuff. Somewhere along the line came a bunch of people with swords. Again, not a bash, that's just the way these things used to work in those times and they still do in some places. Bam, and your ancestor was a Muslim. And since then all the members of your family have been Muslims down to you.
Think about it for a while. You never got a say in the matter. You certainly didn't choose where you would be born, and once born, going against parents is totally out of the question. Religion is just brainwash that is done to us by our parents and you will probably do it to your own children. It sounds harsh but that's the truth.
Again, I am happy you are happy. |
While i obviously disagree with you, at least yours is the first civilized post in this topic
And i'm not trying to get people to convert, as you put it "I am happy you are happy"  |
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 20:26 Post subject: |
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You seem able to get a scientific theory and compress it into a single vague sentence.
The big crunch is a theory, the universe may continue expanding then the Qur'an may need a rewrite, but more likely another fundamentalist will find another vague sentence and link that to the expanding unviverse.
| Quote: | | Eating pork is harmful to health in a great many regards.....It often plays in, and even eats, its own excrement. |
Haha bacon FTW!
A lot of animals eat their excrement or thats what it looks like its the body's way of digesting difficult foods correctly.
Ever owned / eaten a rabbit?
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 21:17 Post subject: |
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| Basil-Brush wrote: | You seem able to get a scientific theory and compress it into a single vague sentence.
The big crunch is a theory, the universe may continue expanding then the Qur'an may need a rewrite, but more likely another fundamentalist will find another vague sentence and link that to the expanding unviverse. |
Until this is proven, the Qur'an stands unchallenged
| Basil-Brush wrote: | | Quote: | | Eating pork is harmful to health in a great many regards.....It often plays in, and even eats, its own excrement. |
Haha bacon FTW!
A lot of animals eat their excrement or thats what it looks like its the body's way of digesting difficult foods correctly.
Ever owned / eaten a rabbit? |
| Quote: | Pork, source of 'bad' bacteria: studies
CBC News, 28 December 2001
CHICAGO - New studies on food safety have found pork may contain even more dangerous germs than poultry. The findings were presented at the 2001 Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy in Chicago. A team of researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tested nearly 600 packages of ground pork purchased from different grocery stores in five states. They found high levels of Enterococci bacteria, a common cause of food poisoning that is resistant to antibiotic drugs.
Scientists say patients who have antibiotic-resistant enterococcal infections have a death rate of 37 per cent. Enterococci were found on three per cent of ground pork.
"With pork chops or steaks, you've got bacteria contamination on the outside," says lead researcher Jennifer McClennan. And with ground meats, the bacteria are found throughout, making them more dangerous.
"You've got to make sure to cook (pork) thoroughly."
As a result, McClennan says cooks should follow stringent practices when they prepare pork and anything cooked less than medium is probably not a good idea. Another study presented at the symposium raised further concerns about pork.
Dutch researchers found the Enterococci bacteria in pigs cause more trouble for humans than the same type of bacteria found in poultry. The researchers recommended farmers use antibiotics sparingly on their animals. About half of the antibiotics given to animals worldwide are used so they can grow bigger and remain disease-free.
The continuous exposure to antibiotics can also alter the balance of good to bad germs, promoting the antibiotic-resistant strain of bacteria in the animal. Resistant strains can be passed on to humans when they consume the meat of the animal. Researchers found these bacteria in pork seemed to survive and thrive longer in humans than those found in poultry. |
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/view?/news/2001/12/28/Consumers/pork_011228
| Quote: | Multidrug-Resistant Bacteria Found to be Airborne in Concentrated Swine Operation
People could be exposed to antibiotic-resistant bacteria from breathing the air from concentrated swine feeding facilities, according to researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. They detected bacteria resistant to at least two antibiotics in air samples collected from inside a large-scale swine operation in the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States. Until now, little research has been conducted regarding the presence of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in the air within industrial swine facilities. The study adds to the understanding of various pathways in which humans can be exposed to antibiotic-resistant bacteria, such as consumption of retail pork products and contact with or ingestion of soil, surface water and groundwater near production operations. The article is published in the online edition of Environmental Health Perspectives.
"Eating retail pork products is not the only pathway of exposure for the transfer of antibiotic-resistant bacteria from swine to humans. Environmental pathways may be equally important," said Amy Chapin, the study's lead author and a doctoral candidate at the Bloomberg School of Public Health's Department of Environmental Health Sciences.
Chapin explained that the use of antibiotics in industrial animal production has a significant impact on the emergence of antibiotic-resistant bacteria that threaten human health. Using antibiotics in animals can decrease the effectiveness of the same antibiotics used to combat human infections. The non-therapeutic use of antimicrobials in livestock production in the United States comprises an estimated 60 to 80 percent of the total antimicrobial production nationally. Non-therapeutic doses of drugs are given to swine to promote growth and improve feed efficiency - not to treat actual swine disease.
The airborne bacteria samples that were found to be multidrug-resistant were: Enterococcus, coagulase negative staphylococci and viridans group streptococci. These bacteria are associated with a variety of human infections. The study found that 98 percent of the isolated samples were resistant to at least two of the following antibiotics: erythromycin, clindamycin, virginiamycin and tetracycline. All of these drugs (or their human drug counterparts) are important antibiotics in the treatment of human infections. In contrast, none of the bacterial samples were resistant to vancomycin – an antibiotic that has never been approved for use in swine production in the United States.
The researchers believe workers at concentrated animal feeding operations are at greatest risk for airborne exposure to antibiotic-resistant bacteria. However, the same workers may also become reservoirs of drug-resistant bacteria that can be spread to family and the broader community. The study also raises questions about the spread of drug-resistant bacteria to areas beyond the immediate site through ventilation fans and by the application of manure from feeding operations to off-site fields.
"These research findings add another piece to our understanding of human exposure to antibiotic-resistant bacteria," said Kellogg Schwab, PhD, assistant professor in the Bloomberg School of Public Health's Department of Environmental Health Sciences and the study's corresponding author. "Finding and documenting the multiple environmental pathways of exposure are critical to finding solutions to the growing, serious problem of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in humans." |
http://www.ehponline.org/press/011305b.html |
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 21:41 Post subject: |
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Compubrain, Stop preaching about islam here. you won't turn us into muslims and you don't need to prove us that your religion is right.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 08:12 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | "Miracles"
ahahahahahaha |
More like scientific facts.
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Godlikez*
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 08:24 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 09:35 Post subject: |
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1. Get random verse from the Koran
2. Extrapolate wildly and link to modern science (all of which came about via infidels, as the Arabs were too busy fucking camels and stoning rape victims to death)
3. ???????
4. Profit!
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 13:00 Post subject: |
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| Muppet wrote: | 1. Get random verse from the Bible
2. Extrapolate wildly and link to modern science
3. ???????
4. Profit! |
| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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WaldoJ
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| swingman wrote: | | You have no idea how lame it sounds when you try to defend the indefensible just because mohammed was a so-called prophet. Hell, I don't care if horse-sex was a common practice in those days, I don't go condoning it just because I had the misfortune of being born into a certain religion. Even if my own ancestors were paedophiles, that does not make me blind to the obvious. I have a mind of my own and no amount of madarsas are going to brainwash me into becoming a tool. |
If you were born in the days of your ancestors you would also be a pedophile. If it's common then, your thoughts and opinion of it would've been entirely different than they are now. Of course it is disgusting right now. Horrible. But in those days, it was different. You may say that if you were in those days you'd think differently. And that's bull shit.
The way you are now is because of the time you're living in. Pedophilia is wrong. Murder is wrong. Etc. But back then people had different values and you would've also had different values. No matter how hard you want to believe you won't.
| swingman wrote: | | You really don't expect us to accept only the 'good' parts out of your koran while ignoring the pervert parts. I am beyond the age where I believe that there are no monsters under my bed. I am not going to ignore the fact that there's a paedophile hiding behind a so-called holy book. It might be your custom to not look at your own flaws and go on believing blindly. The strength of your faith does not change the facts and almost everyone can see that the emperor has no clothes. |
every religion can be nitpicked. Every religion has flaws. There’s no need pointing them out. You just show how immature you are.
| swingman wrote: | | What was a very thinly veiled attempt at getting people to believe in the greatness of the koran is actually having the opposite effect. It's unbelievable that in this day and age people would choose to ignore the truth and keep swallowing this kind of stuff. |
What is the truth?
| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 14:01 Post subject: |
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lol the black hole stuff is complete nonsense. It's grasping at anything.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 16:18 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: |
The way you are now is because of the time you're living in. Pedophilia is wrong. Murder is wrong. Etc. But back then people had different values and you would've also had different values. No matter how hard you want to believe you won't.
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This kind of extreme moral relativism can lead to absurd conclusions, some of which you just described. Indeed, the boy/girl lover movement argue along these lines. Pedophillia only has negative consequence on a childs mind because of the societial condemnation for such action. If society accpeted Peadophilla then it would not be so traumatising. Same goes with incest, although of course here there are negative biological consequences and therefore 'naturally' more indusive to prohibition.
You can use this to argue absoutlely anything, extreme moral flexibilty has no place anymore. And we are correct to look back at these sort of actions and fully condem them. Arguing that moral relativism saves the henious nature of the act leads to a dangerous path, where we can justify absoutlely anything and everything.
Murder is wrong in this time and all times. Some truths are self evident it does not matter what time it is. What constitutes murder, however, is up for juridicial debate which is usually based on societies norms. This is why I dislike religion, because if we stuck to Sharia law there would be no societal influence over laws. We would be stuck with things as they were in those times. Including pedophillia.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006 18:12 Post subject: |
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or "[I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]!" (Qur'an, 86:1-3) That is the best Allah can describe a black hole?
