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Supino
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 Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006 19:41 Post subject: [PS3] more speculations on Sony's PS3 - long read |
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http://taketa.livejournal.com/5325.html
Take your time and read this.. It's JUST speculations, but still interesting.
I for one, do not see the end of Sony and I think we'll have them around for next gen too. But I DO have the gut feeling that they're struggeling these days, do you gys feel it too?
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006 21:11 Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting this, very interesting.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006 23:28 Post subject: |
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Nice one, thanks
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2006 23:52 Post subject: |
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awesome read. i started smelling a rat back when sony announced no vibration because it conflicted with motion sensing(even tho only one game is noted to take advantage of this feature and nintendo seems able to just fine). anyways this article just pulled back the fridge on the source of it, something that sony seems to want to hide at all costs.
it is kinda funny even tho i am anti-sony(just because most their games seem so bland and uninspired), i do not think their going away completely would be a good thing. might just lead to a huge dropout in the games market, a vacuum that cant be filled by their rivals, especially without the continued heated competition that everyones grown so used to. only time will tell i guess.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 03:09 Post subject: |
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the writer of that article is an idiot, he didn't know what he was talking about half the time. He said:
"PS3lite version borders on being useless in many of the areas that PS3 actually wants to excel at."
Thats bullshit because the only thing its missing is HDMI output (something that hardly anyone has on their TV's anyway, because those HDTV's are so expensive). And he said:
"PS3 Lite won't let you do a whole bunch of that and won't even let you use memory sticks or wifi for your damn controller."
Which is some more bullshit. They already said that there would be addon components for the memory sticks and everything could be purchased later if needed, for the $500 version, except for HDMI support.(Some TV's also support 1080p with component cables, so HDMI wouldnt be necessary) Wifi is also supported in the $500 version from the start.
The way that he wrote that article makes me think he is against Sony himself, so he is pretty much trying to find everything he possibly can to try and bring the console down in everyone's eyes. But like StarShine said, MGS4 alone bought the console for me. When MGS4 is released, thats when I grab a PS3 from the store.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 05:54 Post subject: |
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| Cock knocker wrote: | the writer of that article is an idiot, he didn't know what he was talking about half the time. He said:
"PS3lite version borders on being useless in many of the areas that PS3 actually wants to excel at."
Thats bullshit because the only thing its missing is HDMI output (something that hardly anyone has on their TV's anyway, because those HDTV's are so expensive). And he said:
"PS3 Lite won't let you do a whole bunch of that and won't even let you use memory sticks or wifi for your damn controller."
Which is some more bullshit. They already said that there would be addon components for the memory sticks and everything could be purchased later if needed, for the $500 version, except for HDMI support.(Some TV's also support 1080p with component cables, so HDMI wouldnt be necessary) Wifi is also supported in the $500 version from the start.
The way that he wrote that article makes me think he is against Sony himself, so he is pretty much trying to find everything he possibly can to try and bring the console down in everyone's eyes. But like StarShine said, MGS4 alone bought the console for me. When MGS4 is released, thats when I grab a PS3 from the store. |
Yup. And the controller is not wifi, its bluetooth (which both ps3 versions have built-in. Wifi sadly isn't in the $500 one though, but I frankly don't mind hooking up an ethernet cable into my ps3. >< And about the memory stick thing.... Umm.... Thumb drive anyone? |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 09:05 Post subject: |
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i feel like he is basing his article on to many ifs. its not eniterly imposible what he is saying though, but at the moment feels pretty far fetched. only future will know.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 09:40 Post subject: |
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xbox fanboy lol if you read down after the article he says
| Code: | | I may be mistaken about Nintendo being an Immersion shareholder however, the internet isn't clear about that. |
he's just making half it up how can everyone saying that ps3 will be shit when it hasan't even come out yet
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 17:49 Post subject: |
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| Cock knocker wrote: | the writer of that article is an idiot, he didn't know what he was talking about half the time. He said:
"PS3lite version borders on being useless in many of the areas that PS3 actually wants to excel at."
Thats bullshit because the only thing its missing is HDMI output (something that hardly anyone has on their TV's anyway, because those HDTV's are so expensive). And he said:
"PS3 Lite won't let you do a whole bunch of that and won't even let you use memory sticks or wifi for your damn controller."
Which is some more bullshit. They already said that there would be addon components for the memory sticks and everything could be purchased later if needed, for the $500 version, except for HDMI support.(Some TV's also support 1080p with component cables, so HDMI wouldnt be necessary) Wifi is also supported in the $500 version from the start.
The way that he wrote that article makes me think he is against Sony himself, so he is pretty much trying to find everything he possibly can to try and bring the console down in everyone's eyes. But like StarShine said, MGS4 alone bought the console for me. When MGS4 is released, thats when I grab a PS3 from the store. |
You totally miss the point of HDMI. HDMI is necessary to watch High Definition Blue-Ray movies. Due to the new copy protection used by Blue-Ray and HDDVD, you can only get a HD-video signal through the "copy-protected" HDMI port. If you plug your Blue-Ray/HDDVD player to your TV with any other cable, the video gets downsampled to standert NTSC/PAL resolution.
Sony argues that the PS3 is worth its money because it is not just a video game console but also a "Next-Gen-DVD-'Player". But the PS3 lite is not capable of displaying HD movies on your HDTV. This is an important fact Sony has obviously "forgotten" to tell their fans.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 18:35 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | Cock knocker wrote: | the writer of that article is an idiot, he didn't know what he was talking about half the time. He said:
"PS3lite version borders on being useless in many of the areas that PS3 actually wants to excel at."
Thats bullshit because the only thing its missing is HDMI output (something that hardly anyone has on their TV's anyway, because those HDTV's are so expensive). And he said:
"PS3 Lite won't let you do a whole bunch of that and won't even let you use memory sticks or wifi for your damn controller."
Which is some more bullshit. They already said that there would be addon components for the memory sticks and everything could be purchased later if needed, for the $500 version, except for HDMI support.(Some TV's also support 1080p with component cables, so HDMI wouldnt be necessary) Wifi is also supported in the $500 version from the start.
The way that he wrote that article makes me think he is against Sony himself, so he is pretty much trying to find everything he possibly can to try and bring the console down in everyone's eyes. But like StarShine said, MGS4 alone bought the console for me. When MGS4 is released, thats when I grab a PS3 from the store. |
You totally miss the point of HDMI. HDMI is necessary to watch High Definition Blue-Ray movies. Due to the new copy protection used by Blue-Ray and HDDVD, you can only get a HD-video signal through the "copy-protected" HDMI port. If you plug your Blue-Ray/HDDVD player to your TV with any other cable, the video gets downsampled to standert NTSC/PAL resolution.
Sony argues that the PS3 is worth its money because it is not just a video game console but also a "Next-Gen-DVD-'Player". But the PS3 lite is not capable of displaying HD movies on your HDTV. This is an important fact Sony has obviously "forgotten" to tell their fans. |
Wrong. The copy protection is called the ICT, or Image Constraint Token. You can watch blu-ray movies on the PS3 through component cables in full 1080p, until Movie studios decide to implement it. And last I heard, Sony has been in talks with major movie studios to insure that the ICT won't be implemented until 2012. HDCP is the copy protection you are talking about. Anything that doesn't use HDCP gets downampled to 540p. Both DVI and HDMI use HDCP. Even if ICT is implemented, not all movie studios will use it. |
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bxrdj
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 20:45 Post subject: |
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Cock Blocker, the HDMI input is necessary for the 1080p output ...
fuck ...
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2006 23:31 Post subject: |
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| bxrdj wrote: | | Cock Blocker, the HDMI input is necessary for the 1080p output ... |
Ahem...
| Quote: | | Wrong. The copy protection is called the ICT, or Image Constraint Token. You can watch blu-ray movies on the PS3 through component cables in full 1080p, until Movie studios decide to implement it. And last I heard, Sony has been in talks with major movie studios to insure that the ICT won't be implemented until 2012. HDCP is the copy protection you are talking about. Anything that doesn't use HDCP gets downampled to 540p. Both DVI and HDMI use HDCP. Even if ICT is implemented, not all movie studios will use it. |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006 13:48 Post subject: |
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| GexX2 wrote: | | You can watch blu-ray movies on the PS3 through component cables in full 1080p, until Movie studios decide to implement it. |
But if only one major studio decides to implement it, you won't be able to watch a lot of Blue-Ray movies in HD quality. I would not spend 500 € for a BD-player with known compitability issues.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006 14:30 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | GexX2 wrote: | | You can watch blu-ray movies on the PS3 through component cables in full 1080p, until Movie studios decide to implement it. |
But if only one major studio decides to implement it, you won't be able to watch a lot of Blue-Ray movies in HD quality. I would not spend 500 € for a BD-player with known compitability issues. |
So you'd rather spend 1000€ for a BD-player that just plays movies instead of a BD-Player that plays next-gen games, acts as a PC, and plays non-ICT enabled movies? |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006 17:00 Post subject: |
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| GexX2 wrote: | | So you'd rather spend 1000€ for a BD-player that just plays movies |
I would wait and see how BD and HDDVD perform (remember Betamax, MiniDisc and UMD)
| GexX2 wrote: | | instead of a BD-Player that plays next-gen games, |
I am still waiting to see a PS3 game in real-time, and I mean a REAL game, not just a tech demo (because I still doubt if the Cell-Processor is usefull for games anyway)
| GexX2 wrote: | | acts as a PC |
You can't be serious with this one
| GexX2 wrote: | | and plays non-ICT enabled movies? |
Yes, comaptibility is very important to me. This is why there are standards like BD and HDDVD in the first place, to ensure comaptibility.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006 18:08 Post subject: |
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| GexX2 wrote: | | So you'd rather spend 1000€ for a BD-player that just plays movies |
I would wait and see how BD and HDDVD perform (remember Betamax, MiniDisc and UMD)
Blu-Ray has a ton of support right now, and if you search on google you'll find this.
| GexX2 wrote: | | instead of a BD-Player that plays next-gen games, |
I am still waiting to see a PS3 game in real-time, and I mean a REAL game, not just a tech demo (because I still doubt if the Cell-Processor is usefull for games anyway)
You've seen the MGS4 trailer right? Thats real time.
You've seen Resistance right? Thats real time. - Launch title
You've seen Heavenly Sword right? Thats real time.
You've seen Warhawk right? Thats real time. - Launch Title
And heres how far into development they are.
| GexX2 wrote: | | acts as a PC |
You can't be serious with this one
Very much so.
| GexX2 wrote: | | and plays non-ICT enabled movies? |
Yes, comaptibility is very important to me. This is why there are standards like BD and HDDVD in the first place, to ensure comaptibility.
Then just pay 600€ instead an there will be no issue. Its still better than paying 1000€ + isn't it? |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006 18:29 Post subject: |
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The link is really interesting, I (and I think nobody else) wasn't expecting this.
The games you mentioned were shown as trailers, I did not see anyone with a controller playing them in real time. Gran Turismo HD ran on a PC, so my conclusion is that these trailers were not made with PS3-in-game-material as well.
Has nVidia finalized the GPU by now? (I really dion't know)
PS3 an PC: I highly doubt that Sony will allow you to use the console as a real PC. I think it will become something like a Mac and will have a strict anti-piracy system (Sony surely doesn't want anyone to programm some kind of emulator that plays illegally downloaded games fron the internet; you can do this on a real PC)
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jun 2006 18:35 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | The link is really interesting, I (and I think nobody else) wasn't expecting this.
The games you mentioned were shown as trailers, I did not see anyone with a controller playing them in real time. Gran Turismo HD ran on a PC, so my conclusion is that these trailers were not made with PS3-in-game-material as well.
Has nVidia finalized the GPU by now? (I really dion't know)
PS3 an PC: I highly doubt that Sony will allow you to use the console as a real PC. I think it will become something like a Mac and will have a strict anti-piracy system (Sony surely doesn't want anyone to programm some kind of emulator that plays illegally downloaded games fron the internet; you can do this on a real PC) |
They showed a clip of the guy moving the controller in the warhawk video. And I can give you links to live stage demos if you want. Gran Turismo HD was GT4 made to work in 1080p. It was most likely a tech demo. And if they include development tools you can make whatever kind of program you want. The sony CEO recently mad ethe absurd allegation that the PS3 will make current PC's infereior (lol) so I can say with complete certianty that it won't be anything but a full OS. They also said in a recent interview, that they may release a blu-ray or DVD burner in the future.
Heres a Video of a tour of the sony booth. Skip to about 1/4th in and you see people playing resistance live on the sony floor. After that is warhawk and other games.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1408357925033910130&q=Resistance+E3 |
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006 09:04 Post subject: |
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I'm surpised. These games look playable (except Warhawk, the ship is responsing too slowly on controller movements).
But if someone (like me) isn't interested in a BD player and already has a PC (and I still doubt that a PS3 can replace it), there still isn't anything that makes me say: "These game look so awsome, I won't buy a X360 but a PS3 for the double price instead."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-PS3. I just still haven't decided if I will buy an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and what I want is a video gaming console.
What do you think about programming games for the Cell? Considering that even the PS2 was painfull to program for (because of crappy dev tools provided by Sony), how will a 7SPU processor perform for games.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006 12:07 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Microsoft quite obviously has more than enough money to employ that strategy. Sony had its ongoing income from the PS1 (for it continued to sell) buffering their losses with the PS2 until it stopped making losses. Now, XBox 1 has covered for XBox 360 (tho XBox 1 is dying much quicker now) and PS2 is expected to cover for the PS3.
well...yeah, there's the problem.
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What a loada shit really. Sony is not in debt. Of course a 150,million $ payout would hurt them, but they're in too deep to pull out of the next gen race and I think the backwards compatibility will still be there. I don't think it's illegal to have 'dormant' code in there i.e. the rumble code will be there, just wont be used because it can't trigger anything.
He did sound anti-sony though, but they're deffo slipping. |
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006 13:56 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | Quote: | Microsoft quite obviously has more than enough money to employ that strategy. Sony had its ongoing income from the PS1 (for it continued to sell) buffering their losses with the PS2 until it stopped making losses. Now, XBox 1 has covered for XBox 360 (tho XBox 1 is dying much quicker now) and PS2 is expected to cover for the PS3.
well...yeah, there's the problem.
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What a loada shit really. Sony is not in debt. Of course a 150,million $ payout would hurt them, but they're in too deep to pull out of the next gen race and I think the backwards compatibility will still be there. I don't think it's illegal to have 'dormant' code in there i.e. the rumble code will be there, just wont be used because it can't trigger anything.
He did sound anti-sony though, but they're deffo slipping. |
They are slipping. Nintendo made no losses at all last gen. Microsoft made only losses (seriously, Bill made no money off of this one ><), and PS2 (I think) barely didn't made losses even though it sold the most units. So really, if you look at it financially, Nintendo came out the winner last gen. The Wii is also supposed to be cheap to produce, and nintendo have stated that they once again expect no losses.
A read from 03 on the xbox "profits."
| me7 wrote: | I'm surpised. These games look playable (except Warhawk, the ship is responsing too slowly on controller movements).
But if someone (like me) isn't interested in a BD player and already has a PC (and I still doubt that a PS3 can replace it), there still isn't anything that makes me say: "These game look so awsome, I won't buy a X360 but a PS3 for the double price instead."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-PS3. I just still haven't decided if I will buy an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and what I want is a video gaming console.
What do you think about programming games for the Cell? Considering that even the PS2 was painfull to program for (because of crappy dev tools provided by Sony), how will a 7SPU processor perform for games. |
Heres all the info on Cell you'll ever need.
And heres more from the warhawk developer. Click Behind the Scenes, The last two are about Cell and RSX.
This is just from a personal perspective, but I don't see anything on the 360 that interests me, but don't get me wrong. I have no bias towards the console, I already own one. I buy all consoles. xP The first wave of games they had out were crap (Quake 4. Teh pain..). They were either PC ports, or sports games. Perfect Dark Zero was the only one that interested me really, because I could get the exact same other stuff on my PC. There are only two games I'm currently interested in buying for the 360, Gear of War, and Lost Planet. Which Lost Planet looks fucking amazing, Kick ass motion blur.  And Gears is equally good looking. fast foward to the middle for ingameness. But there are a ton of games I'm looking foward to on the PS3. Assasains Creed, FF13/Versus, God Of War 3, Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, Devil May Cry 4, and Warhawk just to name a few. Its all a matter of personal preference.
And since Sony's online service is free (as in playing games online free. It basicly XBOX Live Silver with free online gaming.) thats an added perk.
I also reccomend you watch the Heavy Rain Tech demo. It was confirmed to be running on the latest PS3 Dev Kit. But if you can I suggest you get all of the next gen consoles
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006 15:55 Post subject: |
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| GexX2 wrote: |
This is just from a personal perspective, but I don't see anything on the 360 that interests me, but don't get me wrong. I have no bias towards the console, I already own one. I buy all consoles. xP The first wave of games they had out were crap (Quake 4. Teh pain..). They were either PC ports, or sports games. Perfect Dark Zero was the only one that interested me really, because I could get the exact same other stuff on my PC. There are only two games I'm currently interested in buying for the 360, Gear of War, and Lost Planet |
100% agree on that. The only X360 games that interest me at the moment are PDZ and PGR3. The launch line up was very poor IMO, I hope Sony will do better.
Right now, Assasins Creed is the only PS3 title that makes me wanna play it right now (but just because I played the Sands of Time trilogy and know what Ubi Montreal is capable of) and of course MGS4.
The Heavy Rain Demo looks nice. I hope they can pull something like this of with physics, AI and larger levels than just a kitchen.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Jun 2006 16:07 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | GexX2 wrote: |
This is just from a personal perspective, but I don't see anything on the 360 that interests me, but don't get me wrong. I have no bias towards the console, I already own one. I buy all consoles. xP The first wave of games they had out were crap (Quake 4. Teh pain..). They were either PC ports, or sports games. Perfect Dark Zero was the only one that interested me really, because I could get the exact same other stuff on my PC. There are only two games I'm currently interested in buying for the 360, Gear of War, and Lost Planet |
100% agree on that. The only X360 games that interest me at the moment are PDZ and PGR3. The launch line up was very poor IMO, I hope Sony will do better.
Right now, Assasins Creed is the only PS3 title that makes me wanna play it right now (but just because I played the Sands of Time trilogy and know what Ubi Montreal is capable of) and of course MGS4.
The Heavy Rain Demo looks nice. I hope they can pull something like this of with physics, AI and larger levels than just a kitchen. |
lol. Yeah. And fix her teeth xD |
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