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fallout is best postapocalyse time game, some games are tactic´s combat too, like arcanum, the fall last days of gaia and shadow vault
i like a lot other tactic´s combat game too, called Golden Land, isnt based on post-nuclear apocalypse world, but for me is koolest game since fallout 2
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| Posted: Mon, 1st May 2006 11:01 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | if it's mmorpg neocron comes to mind, if it's crpg then that russian game that got released some time ago, can't remember it's name. And "The Fall" which you should really look forward to as it's most like the old fallouts, but it won't get released until late may
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that is some damned good news that the fall is still on its way in an english and much improved version. i tried playing the german but felt like the story was being ruined without completely understanding it(which seemed really well-thought out for a game of its type). as long as it has good voice acting and good modding potential i am sold.
and ja2 was the greatest game ever made(plus it is even better with fanmade 1.13 patch http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=20 ). long live the legacy of sir-tech.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st May 2006 11:45 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 1st May 2006 12:51 Post subject: |
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there wont be any fallout news at e3 sadly, i think bethesda are going to fuck it up though, they are going to "oblivion" style whore it down for consoles, plus they are going to scrape the barrell to attract new fans who have never heard of Fallout. Its a shame Caen is such a dipshit, he had such a fuckin good thing in Interplay and he BLEW IT.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st May 2006 12:51 Post subject: |
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there wont be any fallout news at e3 sadly, i think bethesda are going to fuck it up though, they are going to "oblivion" style whore it down for consoles, plus they are going to scrape the barrell to attract new fans who have never heard of Fallout. Its a shame Caen is such a dipshit, he had such a fuckin good thing in Interplay and he BLEW IT.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st May 2006 17:36 Post subject: |
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Man i still somtimes log in gamespy arcade and talk to some old buddies of mine from the fallout tactics lobby , ive been active for 3 years playing it online
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| Posted: Mon, 1st May 2006 17:45 Post subject: |
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fallout tactics owned , the story 2 , but the presentation was lacking ... i didnt " feel " like it was fallout anymore ... it was like squad based smooth combat sim .. pahj .... online owned thoo . played on gamespy arcade for 3 years
edit : oops double post sorry
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2006 17:10 Post subject: |
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talking about fallout, anyone got any news at all about fallout 3? i so long for it, but i cant find any news at all on it. also hope they keep the isometric view, and the deph of the game that was in the first and secound. graphic isnt that important for a game like that.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2006 21:12 Post subject: |
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| Aephir wrote: | | talking about fallout, anyone got any news at all about fallout 3? i so long for it, but i cant find any news at all on it. also hope they keep the isometric view, and the deph of the game that was in the first and secound. graphic isnt that important for a game like that. |
Bethesda own the rights to the Fallout name and are possibly making it their next priority. I've never played Fallout and have only recently played the second one, and it is simply superb. The graphics are shite, the sound is shite, the combat is proper old school (and quite probably shite) but the character development, story, dialog is all top notch stuff, and make it a superb game as far as I can see. I honestly can't see a game like this coming out again though, I can't think of another game which had this sort of depth to it in the last 4 or 5 years.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2006 21:29 Post subject: |
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| KaiserSoze666 wrote: |
Bethesda own the rights to the Fallout name and are possibly making it their next priority. I've never played Fallout and have only recently played the second one, and it is simply superb. The graphics are shite, the sound is shite, the combat is proper old school (and quite probably shite) but the character development, story, dialog is all top notch stuff, and make it a superb game as far as I can see. I honestly can't see a game like this coming out again though, I can't think of another game which had this sort of depth to it in the last 4 or 5 years. |
Aye, i know bethesda own the rights, they also stated that they were suppose to start with the development during the development of the follow up to morrowind (oblivion) http://www.bethsoft.com/news/pressrelease_071204.htm
but that news is sooooo OLD. i wonder if there are anymore news about it since i havnt heard shite bout it. and bethesda doesnt mention anything about it either on their HP.
EDIT : and under games that are under development they added a startrek game recently, but still nothing about fallout 3 : end of edit :
also response to your new founding of depth in fallout compared to other games. i have to say that i havnt seen a game since 98 that can match fallout 2 (98 was when it was released) unlucky for us developers almost only cares about graphic and nothing else these days =/
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2006 21:47 Post subject: |
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I haven't really heard of any news since that, seems strange that Fallout and Baldurs Gate franchises seem to have been dropped. Its not as if there aren't enough geeks around that would buy something like that these days. Lets just hope its being left until Bethesda think that they can do the name justice.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2006 22:10 Post subject: |
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| KaiserSoze666 wrote: | | I haven't really heard of any news since that, seems strange that Fallout and Baldurs Gate franchises seem to have been dropped. Its not as if there aren't enough geeks around that would buy something like that these days. Lets just hope its being left until Bethesda think that they can do the name justice. |
Bethesda just doesn't talk about what they are working on very often, but FO3 is definitely in development. Hopefully there will be some news from E3.
I'd say BG was dropped mainly because of NWN. Dragon Age is probably the closest thing we'll ever see to a true BG3. Unfortunately they decided to go with realtime instead of turn-based, which sucks for a RPG imo.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2006 22:51 Post subject: |
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Somehow I have a feeling that we'll get a post-apocalyptic Oblivion with Fallout 3. Could be interesting to say the least. But Bethesda will definitely not go for isometric view. 
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| Posted: Thu, 4th May 2006 23:07 Post subject: |
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| Palegod wrote: | | KaiserSoze666 wrote: | | I haven't really heard of any news since that, seems strange that Fallout and Baldurs Gate franchises seem to have been dropped. Its not as if there aren't enough geeks around that would buy something like that these days. Lets just hope its being left until Bethesda think that they can do the name justice. |
Bethesda just doesn't talk about what they are working on very often, but FO3 is definitely in development. Hopefully there will be some news from E3.
I'd say BG was dropped mainly because of NWN. Dragon Age is probably the closest thing we'll ever see to a true BG3. Unfortunately they decided to go with realtime instead of turn-based, which sucks for a RPG imo. |
well the last new i saw from Fallout 3 was that they would be no news about if at this E3.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 02:41 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 10:21 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | | Nidhogg wrote: | | Somehow I have a feeling that we'll get a post-apocalyptic Oblivion with Fallout 3. Could be interesting to say the least. But Bethesda will definitely not go for isometric view. |
Excactly what I am afraif odd. Isometric IS a part of fallout. And Oblivion post post-apolyptic weapons and nature will just feel stupid IMO.
About Baldurs Gate though, the 3rd part of the series was in development but was canceled when they went bankrupt... just as interplay... 
I really miss these games with some real depth and interesting developments throughout the games instead of some light-rpg ala obliivion...  |
I can understand your nostalgia for Fallout, but think about it. Fallout 1 and 2 are perfectly good turn-based, isometric, post-apocalyptic RPGs. Making Fallout 3 turn-based or isometric would be a waste. Not that I have a lot of faith in Bethesda, but I want the game to be first or at least third-person, to soak in the rich, post-nuclear atmosphere. I want to SEE the horizon of a scorched Earth - not be locked in some top-down perspective, teased with only a view of the ground and immediate surroundings. I don't want to control a party. I don't want unrealistic, tedious turn-based gameplay for a single-character game. I want to fill the shoes of a survivor in a hellish wasteland - complete and total immersion. A FPS RPG Fallout COULD work, IMO.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 12:26 Post subject: |
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| tzen wrote: | | kosmiq wrote: | | Nidhogg wrote: | | Somehow I have a feeling that we'll get a post-apocalyptic Oblivion with Fallout 3. Could be interesting to say the least. But Bethesda will definitely not go for isometric view. |
Excactly what I am afraif odd. Isometric IS a part of fallout. And Oblivion post post-apolyptic weapons and nature will just feel stupid IMO.
About Baldurs Gate though, the 3rd part of the series was in development but was canceled when they went bankrupt... just as interplay...
I really miss these games with some real depth and interesting developments throughout the games instead of some light-rpg ala obliivion... |
I can understand your nostalgia for Fallout, but think about it. Fallout 1 and 2 are perfectly good turn-based, isometric, post-apocalyptic RPGs. Making Fallout 3 turn-based or isometric would be a waste. Not that I have a lot of faith in Bethesda, but I want the game to be first or at least third-person, to soak in the rich, post-nuclear atmosphere. I want to SEE the horizon of a scorched Earth - not be locked in some top-down perspective, teased with only a view of the ground and immediate surroundings. I don't want to control a party. I don't want unrealistic, tedious turn-based gameplay for a single-character game. I want to fill the shoes of a survivor in a hellish wasteland - complete and total immersion. A FPS RPG Fallout COULD work, IMO. |
NO IT COULD NOT WORK but yeah we live in America (remeber that Ramstein song ) every where is propaganda and xbox 360 players  and yeah they will remove those truns becoz console kiddies will hate them becoz we live in a strange world when PCs are more powerfull than consoles and still the industry wants to show us that PC games must look and feel like a console game |
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 13:41 Post subject: |
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Making fallout 3 as interplay began too would make me as happy as any gamer can be.
Check this link for screenshots of a prebuild version of the game http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=39
Isometric and turn-based FTW!
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 14:09 Post subject: |
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nice pic anyway wonders me WHY O WHY they released Lionheart and NOT this game
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 14:41 Post subject: |
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| Aephir wrote: | | talking about fallout, anyone got any news at all about fallout 3? i so long for it, but i cant find any news at all on it. also hope they keep the isometric view, and the deph of the game that was in the first and secound. graphic isnt that important for a game like that. |
dont worry , trust BETHESDA to screw it up .
the enemies will probably level up with you ... oh joy , fucking bethesda what were you thinking .
if they gonna screw up fallout 3 so help me god i will burn thier HQ .
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 16:55 Post subject: |
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| tzen wrote: | | I can understand your nostalgia for Fallout, but think about it. Fallout 1 and 2 are perfectly good turn-based, isometric, post-apocalyptic RPGs. Making Fallout 3 turn-based or isometric would be a waste. Not that I have a lot of faith in Bethesda, but I want the game to be first or at least third-person, to soak in the rich, post-nuclear atmosphere. I want to SEE the horizon of a scorched Earth - not be locked in some top-down perspective, teased with only a view of the ground and immediate surroundings. I don't want to control a party. I don't want unrealistic, tedious turn-based gameplay for a single-character game. I want to fill the shoes of a survivor in a hellish wasteland - complete and total immersion. A FPS RPG Fallout COULD work, IMO. |
I'm not sure how you could claim to be a fan of Fallout and then go on to say you want a game which is absolutely nothing like Fallout other than the setting. Turn-based combat is much more realistic than realtime in a RPG. As soon as you introduce realtime into the mix you immediately allow for some sort of twitchiness in the combat, rather than having the outcome decided solely by the stats and skills of your character--the mark of a true RPG. I wouldn't be opposed to them changing the camera, since KotOR showed that you can have a turn-based with multiple characters and it doesn't need to be isometric. Even the drooling masses (console gamers) liked those games.
To me, a Fallout game without turn-based combat and a party of characters is not Fallout at all, but a bastardization of the license that would go down in history as the only sequel to suck more than Deus Ex: Invisible War.
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| Quote: | | the mark of a true RPG |
The mark of a true roleplaying game is one where you can taking on the role of your character and make decisions that have a meaningful and lasting effect on the world in which you're playing. How you go about doing that is unimportant. While you may control how you swing the sword in a real time style of play, your stats may control the damage done, the speed of your swing, the speed of your recovery, etc.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 19:03 Post subject: |
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i too hope to see a first person game based on the story of fallout.. however down with enemies leveling up with you... that is LAMMMEEE
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 21:07 Post subject: |
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I don't own a 360, and the only reason I might buy one is for Resident Evil 5. In fact, I don't own a single console these days. I have always been a PC Gamer first a foremost. Some of the best games EVER have been turn-based and/or isometric; Diablo, Fallout, HoMM, Bioware RPGs, etc.
KotOR was an amazing game, but it was NOT entirely turn-based. It was more of a mix of real-time pause and turn-based. And I'd argue much more the former.
HoMM5 is a good example of why being too true to a license is sometimes a bad thing. HoMM5 sounds really good on paper. In the end, though, it's just missing something. There's nothing wrong with it. It just lacks that certain charm to make it interesting/fun. Id just play HoMM3 and enjoy it more because of nostalgia (and the great music).
While the turn-based combat of Fallout was fun at the time (I played the demo 500 times before I ever even got the full game), I would argue that it is not one of the defining aspects of the Fallout series. When I think of Fallout, I think of the alternate retro future setting, the environments, the characters, the NPC interaction, the humor, the cool weapons and death effects, character creation system, etc. I must admit, though, that when I play Fallout today, the combat seems slow and tedious at times.
They have a couple of directions to go with the license. They can make it a FPS/TPS RPG, where any party members have their own AI. I think a lot of the Oblivion mechanics would work awfully well in that situation. Though, I do see the point of taking away from the dice-rolling aspect of RPGs and moving it over to the twitch-aiming camp.
Or they can make it real-time pause (ala Baldur's Gate, KotOR), rotatable camera RPG. This style I think works better when you have to control an entire party, and allows for more realistic combat than turn-based.
My point is, they need to take SOME risks and try to add a fresh spin to it. Yeah, it may fail, but just taking Fallout and throwing 3D graphics over it would be boring.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th May 2006 22:28 Post subject: |
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| tzen wrote: | | KotOR was an amazing game, but it was NOT entirely turn-based. It was more of a mix of real-time pause and turn-based. And I'd argue much more the former. |
Either way, there's a world of difference between realtime pause and full realtime combat. I wouldn't object so vehemently to changes in a game like Fallout if it weren't for the fact that there is basically no such thing as a turn-based RPG anymore. The last one was ToEE, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the last one, period. If games like Fallout and Dragon Age succumb to the realtime stuff, what hope is there for anyone else to try turn-based?
| Quote: | | HoMM5 is a good example of why being too true to a license is sometimes a bad thing. HoMM5 sounds really good on paper. In the end, though, it's just missing something. There's nothing wrong with it. It just lacks that certain charm to make it interesting/fun. Id just play HoMM3 and enjoy it more because of nostalgia (and the great music). |
I don't know, I think HOMM5 is great so far. Won't know for sure until I get the full game, but I will say this much: I would vastly prefer if Nival had the FO3 license instead of Bethesda.
| Quote: | | While the turn-based combat of Fallout was fun at the time (I played the demo 500 times before I ever even got the full game), I would argue that it is not one of the defining aspects of the Fallout series. When I think of Fallout, I think of the alternate retro future setting, the environments, the characters, the NPC interaction, the humor, the cool weapons and death effects, character creation system, etc. I must admit, though, that when I play Fallout today, the combat seems slow and tedious at times. |
Fallout and Fallout 2 definitely can become tedious, but they vastly improved the turn-based combat system in Tactics. That's the kind of evolution I like to see in the series, not a total redesign.
| Quote: | | My point is, they need to take SOME risks and try to add a fresh spin to it. Yeah, it may fail, but just taking Fallout and throwing 3D graphics over it would be boring. |
I just can't agree at all. You could have said the same thing when they released Fallout 2, but I think pretty much everyone who's played the games would agree that FO2 was better than the original. There's plenty of other things you can do to spice the game up without massive, fundamental changes.
I'd like to see a turn-based or realtime/pause, an engine that can do AA/AF, any resolution you want, physics, destructible environments, etc.--something along the lines of the Silent Storm engine, only a lot more advanced.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2006 14:45 Post subject: |
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about the fall... that5 game was already released in germany in 2005 i think
dont get ur hopes up on that game, when it was released i was the most unfinished and buggy ive ever seen! EVER! there have been al ot of patches since, but i played it with a fairly recent one and it still was unplayable, with really jerky controls and camera... i couldnt even stand playing 5 minutes!
yeah i just thought u should know, so u dont waste money or hopes on that game
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| Posted: Mon, 8th May 2006 15:13 Post subject: |
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I think the fall will be great. Considering the time they actually are putting into the localization to english.
Having a fallout game in 1st person a'la oblivion would suck though. I don't like oblivion because its just an fps in a medieval setting with some "leveling up" (that you won't notice anyway because enemies levels with you, unless you use a mod ofcourse).
I can admit that isometric may not be necessary but some sort of turnbased it IMO. Turnbased kotor style would work for me as I loved that game, even if the 2nd one wasn't as good the feeling of the games are great!
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