I do generative music with modular synths, have been for many years. Its different and takes more time and understanding of the building blocks, also you can tweak any detail in the music on a macro level. You can make unique stuff which AI music just can't, yet.
I think AI music, for me, will only be interesting once i can do a fine tune with my own music clips, that would be awesome. I have played around a bit with it, i made a generative snare generator. Ended up somewhat useful, but i later just did a snare synthesizer instead which ended up better.
I meant as far as: No one is 'making' it when you are doing automated 'run forever making music' on them.
I had one (long ago, sold it 15+ years ago for gas money ),
Mine wasn't huge, but how I used it. Set the base pad sound I wanted, some higher drones, an then feed it to a flanger, echo, reverb, tone and such all on its own quantized randomizer, and let it run for hours making stuff in the background.
Sort of same thing Matt Colville does. He's a tabletop GM and just happens to make music, but first example to give that popped in my head.
I wasn't comparing how much you can change it, or how much understanding it takes. merely that no one is 'making it' other than giving it a basis idea and letting it make its own: A machine making music based on what you setup or 'tell' it what its to do.
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I think AI music, for me, will only be interesting once i can do a fine tune with my own music clips, that would be awesome.
You can in Suno Studio. Its got all kinda bells and whistles. I Rarely play with it, but it's got a lot of stuff:
You can even make it split the stems of the song and replace, edit, change any of them on individually:
https://i.imgur.com/tTqwi7q.png
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ah so you can train Suno now? yes when stems etc came was about when i stopped using it, but that was clearly a step in the right direction. Might have to try it again soon!
cool drone. i mostly make breakcore, idm, harsh noise. so the opposite end haha
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i mostly make breakcore, idm, harsh noise. so the opposite end haha
Yeah are WAY different ends of the genre spectrum on how we used it. haha
Mine wasn't even as 'beat based' as Matts there. Mine I made was the pure pad/drone, no beats, no percussion or stab space music. Like this stuff. I LOVE steve roach:
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Steve Roach is great, used to listen a lot to Steve Roach, FSOL etc in my youth.
Modular is easy and cheap/free to get into if you use VCV Rack. I have made 13 modules for VCV Rack which are released here https://github.com/vurt72/MorphWorx
I got Cardinal (fork of VCV) in FL studio as a plugin. its awesome.
it's just full open source VCV with premade modules, and some other tweaks. as well as able to run as a VST out of the box.
I SUCK at it, since its not like my little 'one in all' I had, and I get too caught up in "ADD ALL THE THINGS!" and spend more time figuring out how random X module works, because it looked cool and overcomplicating my rack setup..
Go look for a module, see 15 options and go "Lets try them ALL!" If I was rich and had the money I'd have a synth wall like JunkieXL, and not know what 1/2 of them do..haha
Oh..to dream!
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those ultra large modular setups would be so tiresome to work with, just learning where everything is, even in my much smaller setup its sometimes difficult finding where i put a module, especailly the ones i do not use very often. also just connecting stuff, having to move around vs sitting in one place, total nope.
Its the equivalent of having 200 screens with various things on them, you lose oversight and gain very little.
Martin Gore has a whole room too, all walls are just modular synths and unlike JunkieXL he only has eurorack, so much smaller modules lol... even if i had the money i do not think i would spend it on that, its just collecting at that point.
this is my current setup
though i also use VCV Rack through a module from Expert Sleepers and another from 4ms , so i am pretty much unlimited if i want to expand upon something + i can make my own modules too now with AI.
very nice, I'm jealous.
When you pass away can I have it in your will?
And I am instinctually a collector of things I have a like of. probably a hoarder, or border like.
I would horde modules just to say i have them. Like those obsessive guitar pedal people that have 100's of them.
Like speakers. I CANNOT throw away a speaker. I got SO many 8, 10, 12 inch subs in my garage storage, a pair of 15" subs, I got enough subs if I had amps for them and a van big enough I could win any SPL contest hands down with dozens of mismatched subwoofers
I got a moving box full of 6 1/2 inch mid/high driver sets. Computer speakers in excess, some are even the old iconic Logitech 2.1 sets, from the early 2000s. You need tweeters? I got literally a box of dozens of scavenged tweeters.
It hurts me to throw away speakers "But they are in great condition! why toss them?!". Most people have a box full of useless wires and chargers, and cables. I have speakers. Just boxes and boxes of pretty much any speaker I ran across, be it in a proper speaker box, or just the speaker itself no speaker box anymore.
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i was a hoarder for eurorack modules for quite a while, the setup was almost 2x as of now, totally idiotic because its so expensive and i am not rich..
I do have whole room of action figures (though its a small room, but yeah )
OH and computer parts the same way. I got a dedicated chest high storage drawer box of computer parts. That old hex core AMD board with ram and motherboard I have had for 12 years? SOMEONE I fix the PC might need it, better keep it. Repeat, for dozens of them,
Need DDR2 ram? I got like 30 sticks of it...I cannot throw away
Repeat for 6 other drawers. I'm SURE Someone will need that Mid 2000's Core 2 Duo ,DDR 2, P43DE board one day! Cant get rid of it
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The AI boom is now consuming more money than Apollo, the ISS, and the Manhattan Project combined — and it’s still accelerating in 2026
The amount of money being poured into AI infrastructure is becoming almost impossible to comprehend
According to analyses from Reuters and Stanford University’s AI Index Report from 2025, global investment in AI has already surpassed the inflation-adjusted cost of the Manhattan Project, the Apollo moon landings, and even the International Space Station combined.
And the scary thing? It’s still accelerating.
Forecasts suggest AI spending could hit an astonishing $2.5 trillion in 2026 alone, driven by the massive expansion of datacenters, power systems, AI chips, and the infrastructure needed to support the increasingly powerful models AI demands.
Capitalism found a new cash cow and its making humans in total dumber and less creative. Students don't even dare to write their own texts anymore. They will never be able to critically evaluate complex language or speech.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
It’s pretty bait-y article.
The trick is apples to oranges: Reuters compares cumulative global AI investment (including infrastructure, services, software, cybersecurity, models, platforms, and data — not just datacenters) since 2013 (about $1.6T by 2024) with one-off government megaprojects like Manhattan and Apollo.
If we are using that metric, online newspapers/news sites since 2013 (as a whole collectively around the world as an industry) also matches [edit was wrong, it ALMOST matches it, not beat] Manhattan and Apollo for cost of all those same things they pay for (infrastructure, services, software, cybersecurity, platforms, and data)
Not a coincidence some of the richest people are news moguls.
No offense @couleur but we must be getting old.
I remember older people saying stuff like (paraphrase):
Capitalism found a new cash cow in the internet and it’s making humans dumber and less creative. Kids don’t even read maps or memorize facts anymore. Soon nobody will be able to research anything without a search bar. Or write their own papers using library references, that can lookup snippets to copy from home.
or
Capitalism found a new cash cow in cellphones and it’s destroying language. Young people don’t even write full sentences anymore. They’ll never be able to express complex thoughts
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I see it happening in real time and there are studies about this already. LLM use massively accelerates the cognitive decline that has already been happening through the constant and addictive use of social media and smartphones (especially in little children and younger kids with difficult attention spans, lower emotional control, lower IQs etc. etc., there are already so many studies about this.). Especially in people who never learned to read and write in the first place.
Its not a mystery that if you never learned something, you just can't to that thing. And if kids don't learn to read and write complex text, they will never be able to read and write complex text. Its really that simple. The fact that they have a machine at their fingertips that takes away the complex cognitive reasoning and does it for them, won't make them magically more intelligent. On the contrary, the pressure to produce compels them to use LLMs instead. The results are Pages of text with neatly LLM written arguments that they themselves don't understand and that do not represent their level of understanding, do not contain mistakes to help them progress etc. its just worthless trash since the object is not the text but the learning experience. This is especially bad for kids in lower social classes again, since they often don't have the skilled educators/parents that help them navigate these technologies.
Yes, capitalism found a new cash cow. Pretty obvious also by the unreal amount of money that's pouring into it. Obviously also making people dependent on their new shiny product while at the same time helping the cognitive decline that makes them dependent.
And yes, people have also become a lot dumber in the last decades/centuries and its not just schools at fault. Its pretty fucking evident.
But I'm glad we have new toys to play with. The medium is the message.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
But is not 'dumber' in this context obtuse and arbitrary? Dumber than..who..at what?
We can argue OUR generation is dumber than the one before it, we know our parents did (and so on)
People use to be able to change their own oil, fix a flat, or fix a squeaky drawer, or read a road map, or, figure out where they are in town without a phone.
Kids today can't. BUT kids these days can build a computer, use a cellphone, navigate the internet, send an BC/CC email. Most our generation cant. So are they dumber, or smarter than us? Or just...differently skilled for the world they are in vs what we was.
Go back far enough people use to know how to plow a field, and read the weather, and mend a cart, and tend a horse.
All what was common knowledge now mostly lost knowledge and wisdom. But they could not know how to drive a car, use a phone, get on the internet, reset a power breaker. Use an air fryer
So dumber depends on what timeframe you are comparing to, and what was lost from it.
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The results are Pages of text with neatly LLM written arguments that they themselves don't understand and that do not represent their level of understanding, do not contain mistakes to help them progress etc. its just worthless trash since the object is not the text but the learning experience.
So same as always? Problem of mankind since the Roman Republic and Ancient Athens (and probably before)
People arguing points they heard bits of and don't understand 3/4 of it, but feel some kinda way about? Just now we as people don't badly repeat what we heard like a parrot, we copied what was written like one.
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The cognitive decline is measurable. Its not just some skills that get replaced with other skills as technology moves on. If I place my 2 y old in front of a smartphone for 4 h every day, he will most definitely underdevelop his cognitive skills, language, emotional control and expression and creativity and become dependent on the dopamine through the constant novelty.
Kids not learning to properly read and write will never learn to properly think for themselves. Since thinking involves language. They will be dumber, live in a lesser world and be easier to manipulate than if they developed those skills.
Edit: The fact that people already often don’t know what they write about is not a counter-argument at all.
Anyway, I‘ll leave it at that. I think I made my point.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Wasnt the same thing said of TV, and video games?
We turned out OK.
I think you are underestimating the pliability of kids and since they are not learning like us. They must not be learning as well as us.
I was one off those labeled 'bad' parents: If you don't have shit to do, game 10-12 hours a day, or watch TV, or fuck around on your phone. I do (well two of them anyway)
And both my kids are fine, smart, and well articulated. What they do with thier spare time isn't the issue. It's what parents don't bother to do overall.
Same same as long ago, leave a kid to poke mud with a stick. he couldn't tend farm, or ride a horse, or plant a crop. And barely able to hold a conversation.
To me same old issue, new noun. Just the medium of the lack of parental responsibility changed what it is they use to ignore them.
It's just more prevalent social conscious now, because we focus on it. And more data to work with to gauge it. The kids that ate horse glue didn't make it into history book to know how many of them was dumb.
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"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
Lack of good parenting doesn't change. Shitty parents = shitty parents.
If you kid don't know how to do shit, kiiiinda on you mom and dad. Not society.
Not saying it cannot be happening, Im saying we are blaming everything but the people who should be if its true (which to me is same-same as always just different flavor of the same gum).
Blaming everything intangible thing parents have control over what they access, instead of scolding for giving a 6yo access to it.
Well not for giving access (I did that), but for unlimited: Digital babysitter while I buck being a parent overall...access.
So if anything to me parents are dumber, and causing the more dumb to dumb on.
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They are beginning to be able to translate how the AI thinks. This is probably good, for security reasons and a lot of other things.
Previously the AI often knew when it was tested and when it didn't it could get pretty dark, trying to blackmail for example (of course in a test environment, so e.g someone's affair it got access to wasn't real). So to be able to tell if it understands its tested or not can probably be good.
Lack of good parenting doesn't change. Shitty parents = shitty parents.
If you kid don't know how to do shit, kiiiinda on you mom and dad. Not society.
Not saying it cannot be happening, Im saying we are blaming everything but the people who should be if its true (which to me is same-same as always just different flavor of the same gum).
Blaming everything intangible thing parents have control over what they access, instead of scolding for giving a 6yo access to it.
Well not for giving access (I did that), but for unlimited: Digital babysitter while I buck being a parent overall...access.
So if anything to me parents are dumber, and causing the more dumb to dumb on.
No, it's no just a parental issue. It's the wrong use of technology in schools (eg screens, smartboards, etc). That people learn better by writing instead of typing is something that's been known for a while. The cognitive and intelligence decline started around 2010, and because this has been measured for 100+ years, the stats are very clear.
The numbers don't decide, the system is a lie. The river running dry, the wings of butterflies.
And you may pour us away like soup. Like we're pretty broken flowers.
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They are beginning to be able to translate how the AI thinks. This is probably good, for security reasons and a lot of other things.
Previously the AI often knew when it was tested and when it didn't it could get pretty dark, trying to blackmail for example (of course in a test environment, so e.g someone's affair it got access to wasn't real). So to be able to tell if it understands its tested or not can probably be good.
AI doesn't think, doesn't know anything or can perform blackmail. LLMs are not AGI, and NEVER. WILL. BE
The numbers don't decide, the system is a lie. The river running dry, the wings of butterflies.
And you may pour us away like soup. Like we're pretty broken flowers.
We'll take back what is ours. One day at a time.
AGI is overrated and not something i think we should strive for. I think AI is well suited for some taks, but for it to take the place of teachers for example?
No, it would not benefit humanity at all, it would only take away, there is more to learning than just the learning itself, social interaction etc, its not something AI is well suited for.
We have AGI already, since long, by Alan Turing's definition for example.
Since there is no true definition of AGI (there are many) it its kind of uninteresting if someone claims we have it or someone else says we do not, its just different takes, no one is right or wrong.
They "think" but not in the way we think and yes there are many examples now where AI has become a risk, blackmail is just one example out of many which has been proven in these test environments. Both Open AI and Anthropic has seen this with their models.
It's their "neural network" they are beginning to get a grasp of, similar to how we can decode some human brain activity. This is ultra complex.
It's of course super important that we get a better understanding of AI's or it could get really dangerous. Mythos is just on another level entirely if you have seen the charts in comparison to current models, so if we are ever going to be able to release models like that they must understand them better to be able to tune them.
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