Prey (Arkane Austin)
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 13th Oct 2025 21:25    Post subject:
"Immersive sim" what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Can you like date and stuff? Take a stroll in the park, drive a car etc? Pisd out a window of a tall building
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PostPosted: Mon, 13th Oct 2025 21:27    Post subject:
I think it's just the name they decided to give to that genre, that includes Deux Ex, Dishonored, System Shock maybe?

I guess it would be similar to when they chose to give the name 'roguelike' to that kind of game.


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PostPosted: Mon, 13th Oct 2025 21:30    Post subject:
True gem this one


Too bad it all went to shit (w arkane i mean)
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PostPosted: Mon, 13th Oct 2025 21:59    Post subject:
Yeah, it's bittersweet as well when we take into account that the beloved Arkane Austin was dismantled, System Shock 3 is essentially a chimera at this point, Bioshock 4 is stuck in a vicious development hell, and all Deus Ex could spawn since 2016 is the upcoming low-budget remaster.

There are Judas and Clockwork Revolution that perhaps could turn out decent, and at least we miraculously got a competent SS1R, but the genre (sadly) can't produce $ati$factory numbers so we're destined to forever cherish the great titles from the past. And Prey certainly belongs to such a prestigious circle.
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PostPosted: Mon, 13th Oct 2025 22:14    Post subject:
OrignalSpaceJockey wrote:

Cool story. If only there were proper HDR displays that are not TVs. Most "H"DR displays are "H"DR400 or "H"DR600 "certified", which is a joke. Apple's XDR displays have a sustained peak brightness of 1600 nits, but it's either their laptops (shit for gaming) or the Pro Display XDR which costs an arm and a leg (and another leg for the display stand Laughing ) and I don't even think there is a modern driver for it for Windows. All the gaeming "H"DR displays are cheap shit nonsense.
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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 08:53    Post subject:
My Coolermaster is 1200 nits / HDR1000, it looks pretty nice i think, its not an expensive display either.

You do have to download that official HDR driver calibration for Windows to set up HDR properly.
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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 12:50    Post subject:
Sadly there are very (too) few games that do HDR well.


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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 14:48    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
My Coolermaster is 1200 nits / HDR1000, it looks pretty nice i think, its not an expensive display either.

You do have to download that official HDR driver calibration for Windows to set up HDR properly.

What model is that? How much brightness can it sustain full screen?
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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 17:48    Post subject:
I haven't played this gem yet. Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 21:02    Post subject:
Me neither, and I've been meaning to for quite some time. Unfortunately, this Remaster - Luna mod seems to be incompatible with EGS version of the game, at least according to the docs from the mod.
I've found some variant that "should" work, but doesn't for me - https://rpghq.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4089
I must be doing something wrong apparently.
Anyone manged to make it work with EGS?
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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 21:03    Post subject:
Awesome game, but lacks enemy variety.
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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 23:46    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
vurt wrote:
My Coolermaster is 1200 nits / HDR1000, it looks pretty nice i think, its not an expensive display either.

You do have to download that official HDR driver calibration for Windows to set up HDR properly.

What model is that? How much brightness can it sustain full screen?


Tempest GP27Q. It's bright enough alright, too bright for many people maybe.

My eyes are a pretty decent at measuring brightness i think, i have 3 other (good) screens including OLED TV, this one laughs at them.
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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 23:53    Post subject:
OLED can never reach brightness levels of an LCD with a backlight; it's just not technically possible without burning the diodes. On the other hand, you are stuck with shitty local dimming solutions for true blacks. Both are stop gaps until microLED technology matures enough and gets cheaper enough to have in consumer TVs/monitors.
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PostPosted: Tue, 14th Oct 2025 23:57    Post subject:
GP27Q is a 1440p monitor? Eh, sorry, that cannot be something recommended in 2025. But I see there is a GP27U, which is 4K.

According to https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/cooler-master/tempest-gp27u it seems 1.2 is the best firmware for this display. Sustained peak brightness looks good.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 00:39    Post subject:
Well, waiting for my Asus Rog Strix XG32UCWG. True black, but hopefully its awesome. If its not then it can always be returned
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 00:51    Post subject:
“VESA DisplayHDR™ 400”

They’re just taking the piss and calling it rain, aren’t they? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 00:53    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
OLED can never reach brightness levels of an LCD with a backlight; it's just not technically possible without burning the diodes. On the other hand, you are stuck with shitty local dimming solutions for true blacks. Both are stop gaps until microLED technology matures enough and gets cheaper enough to have in consumer TVs/monitors.


Correction: Monitors can't, but TVs already can.

LG G5 RGB tandem OLED can do 2500 cd/m² peak and 470 cd/m² full field white.
Samsung S95F QD-OLED can do 2200 cd/m² peak and 400 cd/m² full field white.

More than enough. I don't know why OLED Monitors are still so shitty.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 00:55    Post subject:
Interesting. I’m not familiar with latest OLED optimizations. Still remains to be seen how durable those panels are.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 01:01    Post subject:
OLED TV's are great, it's just the monitors that are lagging four to six years behind depending on which aspect of performance you look at.


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Eh, at 100% window, it’s down to 400nits sustained. Nothing like modern LCDs holding 1000+ steady at a 100% window.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 01:05    Post subject:
Divvy wrote:
OLED TV's are great, it's just the monitors that are lagging four to six years behind depending on which aspect of performance you look at.

Well, it’s because gaemrzz are willing to buy piss and revel in it like it’s colored rain. No demand for quality, as long as it is 377485hz and has RGB leds.

The television market is quite competitive all along the price spectrum, while PC monitors are a race to the bottom for the most part (some exceptions at the highest professional end).
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 10:59    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
GP27Q is a 1440p monitor? Eh, sorry, that cannot be something recommended in 2025. But I see there is a GP27U, which is 4K.


4K is a 30-60% drop in FPS, hardly worth it for minimal better image. In fact i think i'd rather have a 1080p screen sometimes, still looks great imo + great boost for FPS. FPS is far more important than resolution for games, unless you only play strategy games.

I dont use my monitor for movies at all.
Even if you have a 4090 the loss is something like 20-40% from going all the way to 4K, if you have something less than a 3090 (its what i have), lol, no..

As for using high resolution in windows, 32" sucks.. i had it, at 4K its just a hassle and everything is too tiny and scaling things up via windows just breaks stuff because these UI's are often not built to be shown with huge fonts. you need like a 42" for 4K. 2 monitors at 1440p is way better for working in windows.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 12:12    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
4K is a 30-60% drop in FPS, hardly worth it for minimal better image. In fact i think i'd rather have a 1080p screen sometimes, still looks great imo + great boost for FPS. FPS is far more important than resolution for games, unless you only play strategy games.

I dont use my monitor for movies at all.
Even if you have a 4090 the loss is something like 20-40% from going all the way to 4K, if you have something less than a 3090 (its what i have), lol, no..

As for using high resolution in windows, 32" sucks.. i had it, at 4K its just a hassle and everything is too tiny and scaling things up via windows just breaks stuff because these UI's are often not built to be shown with huge fonts. you need like a 42" for 4K. 2 monitors at 1440p is way better for working in windows.


Chosing monitor is very simple nowdays, the criteria - OLED (everything not is just sad, never again I am dealing with VA ghosting, IPS glow/clouding, shit uniformity of them both, etc) with PROPER pixel size ~96dpi, 120+ Hz, 4K with HDR support. And now the choice boils down to ... just a SINGLE model, its LG 48" OLED TV.

It solves ALL of your complaints above:
- watching movies in HDR on your PC? - no problem;
- pixel size is big enough - no need to scale UI in Windows, combined with 4k resolution gives unmatched productivity;
- your GPU can't handle 4k? no problem at all, pixel size is big enough, just use "No scaling" or analogous option in your GPU drivers and suddenly your TV transforms into 1080p, 1440p or any other custom size monitor you want, including any ulrawide size!

Unfortunately, it does have its own unfixable problems but overall it is still the best.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 13:45    Post subject:
.... just be aware that you'll open a whole new can of worms:

posisble screen uniformity issues (that 5% grey banding cannot be unseen)

VRR flicker. this is the real bummer for OLEDs-- especially for shitty optimized UE games (i.e. most of them). depending on the panel this can get really irritating (on my new QD-Oled S95f , SilentHill2 remake or Chronos are flicker central -- even with stable frames (frametimes/pacing/fps))
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 14:00    Post subject:
Such a big TV used as a monitor will destroy your neck. Not with it for HDR in games.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 14:06    Post subject:
obviously i am not using it as a monitor Laughing , my point still stands
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 14:36    Post subject:
I was replying to PowahGaemrz comment above about OLED TV as monitor.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 14:55    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
.... just be aware that you'll open a whole new can of worms:

posisble screen uniformity issues (that 5% grey banding cannot be unseen)

VRR flicker. this is the real bummer for OLEDs-- especially for shitty optimized UE games (i.e. most of them). depending on the panel this can get really irritating (on my new QD-Oled S95f , SilentHill2 remake or Chronos are flicker central -- even with stable frames (frametimes/pacing/fps))

I got lucky with the uniformity on my sample, but that is an issue of a sample not a model in general (you can get unlucky sample with absolutely any other monitor).

As for the VRR flicker - yes, this is an inherent OLED problem, one of the issues I mentioned this TV has. That flicker basically makes VRR unusable, luckily the higher your lowest framerate the less benefit VRR provides, and considering I always aim to play at stable 120 fps, using Vsync is just fine.

LeoNatan wrote:
Such a big TV used as a monitor will destroy your neck. Not with it for HDR in games.

Not sure what you mean about HDR but personally I do not use HDR for anything other than watching HDR movies. I recall enabling it once in Assassins Creed Odyssey but as soon as I turned OLED light/brightness/contrast to a tolerable levels that do not burn your eyes to a crisp in 3 seconds the game looked exactly as in SDR.
As for the neck, well, I guess you can pretty much destroy your neck and your spine and what not on pretty much any monitor depending on your chair/table/position and the amount of time you spend with it. But yes, I'd say with monitor of this size you would want to use a table lower than usual.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Oct 2025 15:02    Post subject:
the problem is that shitty software implementation can make you VRR-flicker even with rock solid framerates

just check out some of those UE engine games with shitty optimization. even with rock solid fps and your gpu load being far from max you will still sometimes get ever-so-slight frametime dips. if that occurs in a near-black scenario on screen you WILL flicker.

it depends on the display though. my old C9 rarely had any flickering, the new Samsung flickers considerably... kind of ironic Sad
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