The system uses just a few watts of power and keeps neurons alive for up to six months, according to the company’s website.
That's a major point there, cool!
The biggest bottleneck with computers (especially quantum) is the energy consumption, which can be elevated by mixing it with chemical/biological materials.
@SumZero yes, a "chemical" solution might be more accurate than "biological". Although I think there are advantages with using more advanced 'systems' like brain-type (or stem) cells, than just a mix of chemicals and trying to invent the wheel again. Especially because it's (too) complicated to properly understand, so better just use it (like quantum physics in general )
My take on it is there HAS to be a better way than using our poorly made 'best way evolution stumbled on, that we know of' way of processing sensory data and compiling it into thoughts.
I highly doubt of the endless ways to do so, evolution by process of trial and error picked the best one. It just picked the most widely applicable one across a wide range of animals that share our tree lineage branch of clustered cells gathered in one central location connected to a spinal stem to process all body and sensory data. (even octopuses [octopi?] have us beat on that one).
If we try to force it to replicate our/animals way of processing data, we are using a pretty poor and cumbersome way of trying to make something that thinks. It's just the best we know of. Akin to a caveman realizing a broken rock works better to clean hide than a smooth one. Not the best, just the best HE knows of so trying to replicate it in automated machinery to do it using sticks tied to cracked stones being pushed by dismembered hands (replicate how I do it, with things like I have to do it).
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I was speaking more on how we should approach it, not on what we understand to do so far.
That if we are going for AGI, we shouldn't aim for it to be based around our biological makeup. As most our genes in our cells are not the ones designed to do what we are aiming for it to do. Most are for traits to survive, or incremental survival advantage, so why make that the foundation to start from?
we share 99% of our genes with bonobo monkeys. So we would be leaning on that 1% of all our genes that make us 'intelligent' to make it intelligent. Seems highly wasteful. Start ground up learning\making\developing a purely conceptual matrix that replaces that 99% of "Be born, live to make more of us, protect them long enough, then die" coding with something actual useful to it.
And skip the biological part all together. That part is error prone as hell, delicate, environmental condition vulnerable, and overly complicated for just the concept of intelligence. You got to keep a lot of things 'alive' (chemical reactions stable) just so it can exist to DO its thing.
Much like Molecular Biologists and Biotechnologists, they only manipulate and tweak bacteria genes to 'do' a thing, because we don't know how to make things that do that without needing a whole bacterial 'fluff' to store it in.
If they could create it without the bacteria it would save a LOT of hassle. (Not that we should need the bacteria to do it, we only know how to trick simple bateria into doing the end result we want)
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Thinking about it, my point is much like why we are 'stuck' in binary for computers:
Binary wasn’t chosen because it was elegant it was chosen because it was practical for the hardware of the 1930s–1950.
And it progressed to the standard, so 'stuck'. memristor arrays, ternary logic (three states), or quaternary could possibly be MUCH better if we started with that back then and worked through the tech to modern day.
And its analogous to me if we start with human brain cells for AI (or biological), we are setting a limiting path to be 'stuck' in (jumbled with a lot of evolutionary genes not useful for our intent), as we advance it, than unexplored possible better alternatives would offer.
And if we go far enough, starting over would be going backwards, even if the alternative could do better in the same amount of time (Reversing binary for computers would ruin what we have and be worse starting off, and could take a few decades to catch up and pass where we are now, even after 100 years of binary)
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I was first thinking its click bait but this is very intriguing (about the death of an Open AI employee who called them out, then found dead and with signs of struggle, a wig was found, blood in two different rooms, overall weird).
Altman's answers are not... great.
Edit: oh, the medical report. An absolute joke. It says he took alcohol and GHB and in insane amounts.
As a former user of GHB and GBL, its lethal with alcohol + its super-super fast acting too, there were so many times i took a little too much (you take it in ml, very small dosages) and i was out after less than a minute (you just fall asleep and you go directly into REM-sleep, combine it with alcohol you go into a coma, then death because you will stop breathing).
Why take a lethal combination of drugs and also commit suicide with a gun, likely he wouldnt have the strength to push the trigger at that dosage, or would have been conscious enough to do it
Despite the malfunction, even if it worked this looks gigaretarded.
Just open your phone, look up the recipe and start cooking, maybe? Useless technodick bullshit
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
blaming it on the wifi? They really believe the audience is that retarded to think the AI's algorithm has anything to do with the wifi connection.
Silicon valley is out of ideas, hardware plateau'd, everything coming out these days is another attempt at reinventing the wheel but most importantly creating another bubble.
The problem is: The more talk there is about the Gartner Hype Cycle, the more people are aware of it and adjust their behaviours accordingly, the less likely it is to happen. It's like a reverse self-fulfilling prophecy.
Since everybody expects we are now in the beginning phases of the "trough of disillusionment" they invest accordingly and the curve progression will break down again.
It will either blow down past the bottom and fully crash or bump back to the hype cycle very soon. It's not going to go according to the curve when so many people know about it.
This is the 90's internet boom again.
Things are getting silly. Like Nvidia investing in openAI so openAI can lease Nvidia GPU' with the money Nvidia invested. While openAI hardly makes any money. So either they know something we don't, or it's all going to waste and there will be a an AI crash like after the first internet boom.
It's more a matter of finetuning AI and learning how to use it, but AI is still the next big thing. Either in 5 years, or 15, or more, who knows. The potential is there.
The AI Backlash Is Here: Why Public Patience With Tech Giants Is Running Out
From ads scrawled with graffiti to online comment sections filled with mockery, the public’s patience with AI-generated media is starting to wear thin. Whether it's YouTube comments deriding synthetic ad campaigns or scribbled in Sharpie across New York City subway posters for AI startups, the public's discontent with the AI boom is growing louder.
As AI spreads, public skepticism is turning into into open hostility toward its products and ads. Campaigns made with generative AI are mocked online and vandalized in public. Friend, a startup that spent $1 million on a sprawling campaign in the New York City subway with more than 11,000 advertisements on subway cars, 1,000 platform posters, and 130 urban panels, has been hit especially hard. Most of its ads were defaced with graffiti calling the product “surveillance capitalism” and urging people to “get real friends.”
"AI doesn't care if you live or die," reads one tag on a Friend ad in Brooklyn.
The truth is: Slop already started before AI, AI just accelerated the process. It really took off with those creepy Youtube Kids CGI videos that were handmade back then.
IMO I don't see his point? Or nor making a new point. Just the tool changed, the problem with the result already exists for over a decade.
It's like that now to me without AI. 99.99% of stuff on youtube is low effort slop, and 100% of Instagram and tik tok is slop. What/who made it won't be why I don't wish to watch it.
Same argument could be made for them before AI:
What happened to the funnel of video content took expensive equipment, talent, effort and a crew? Now anyone with a phone/camera can film themselves doing shit and post it (And they did, and do).
Im sure there is 10s of 1000s of youtubers with 1000 hours each of stuff, I would consider no better than AI slop, but just made by 'hand' now.
The Mr. Beast example he gave highlights it to me.
Before AI: clickbait slop of him doing stuff. After AI: Clickbait slop of him doing stuff? What's degraded by adding AI? His content wouldn't get worse, just faster. And if I don't watch his slop, he can make 1 a week or 50. Still slop I won't watch.
The way I read his concern anyway: Human made slop, somehow has more integrity than non human made slop. It's the effort put into making the mostly unwatchable slop that counts.
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!?!?! so me using the indian chineze programmers to do my work wasnt ethically?
