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madmax17




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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2024 23:06    Post subject:
Killing me softly with his bugs.
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Interinactive
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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2024 23:38    Post subject:
blackeyedboy wrote:
Good thing people are waking - VERY slowly - up.

Mostly Positive now on Steam, down from Very Positive.


Considering the issues and the severity of performance problems + bugs, it should be scored far lower

With Very Positive reviews, there's less incentive for them to fix the game. Giving it a positive review in this state works against these people, as the customers. It's so baffling.

vurt wrote:
I actually made my review negative because of the A.I. I like the game overall, but i also do want what was advertised. I requested a refund at 6h and explained how it takes forever when compiling shaders + the game is not what was advertised to me.


I got one at 4hrs
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Un_Forastero




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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2024 23:48    Post subject:
Mythril wrote:
After playing it for a few hours, I think I've decided to leave the game for a while. Let them finish it off. I would say it's maybe 80% complete as it stands at the moment. There are lots of things that are broken or in need of extra work. I want a good experience not a slog.

Things I've noticed that need attention:

1) Key mapping broken. Can't assign keys to my liking. IE: (No laughing) I use RMB for forwards. Have done for 35 years. I can map the key fine but when I go to climb a ladder, the key mapping defaults to "W" to climb or "S" to descend. Flash light is none mappable. Melee is not mappable unless you edit the config file then that works. Can't move forwards with a bolt in my hand or knife. I have to get up close and personal with whatever object I'm looking at to interact with it. 1" too far away and I've to change from the knife, move closer, select the knife and I can interact with said object.

2) Extremely badly optimised. Needs a lot of work here. No A-Life 2.0 as promised. It's in the code as someone has been doing some digging and found reference to it but it's either turned off at present or it's badly trashed and needs an big overhaul. Basically it's not as originally advertised.

3) I can't currently run the game in native resolution for some odd reason. If I try, the graphics look broken, almost like they are massively over sharpened. Changing settings simply does not do anything. I can only run the game in TAA or DLSS which is not acceptable. If I use DLSS, the graphics look blurred. If I use TAA, they look a lot cleaner but still washed out.

4) The mod community are starting to have a play with the games settings. I have found one mod that helps with fps and removes most, if not all of the mouse lag. That's helping a lot but it's still not 100%.

5) Some of mutants in the game are like bullet sponges. I had three Bloodsuckers come at me at once out in the open. I'd only been in the game for twenty minutes. Barely had a pea shooter to kill them with ! Stamina is a joke. I run for 15m and I'm knackered making it hard to get anywhere, even worse when in a fire fight.

Anyway, this is just a few things I've noticed so hopefully they'll address them in the coming weeks/months.... Years..... Confused


Dear lord, I've been struggling with the fucking bolt keymap since day one, and I too use RMB for moving forwards since Duke Nukem days. No matter what I do, even remaping every single key in-game solves this problem, it's completely bugged and fucking annoying.

Upscalers don't do shit for me, so I'm sticking with TSR at Ultra and 100% res since even performance feels the same across every other upscaling options, going with DLSS or FSR makes it a complete ugly mess Sad


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tonizito
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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2024 23:57    Post subject:
Un_Forastero wrote:
Dear lord, I've been struggling with the fucking bolt keymap since day one, and I too use RMB for moving forwards since Duke Nukem days. No matter what I do, even remaping every single key in-game solves this problem, it's completely bugged and fucking annoying.

Upscalers don't do shit for me, so I'm sticking with TSR at Ultra and 100% res since even performance feels the same across every other upscaling options, going with DLSS or FSR makes it a complete ugly mess Sad
Have you tried autohotkey for the key remapping?
https://www.autohotkey.com/

It's stupid one has to go to that far, but... guess the devs were too traumatized to think about that or key remapping is popular among the ruskies or something Laughing


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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Un_Forastero




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 01:03    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Un_Forastero wrote:
Dear lord, I've been struggling with the fucking bolt keymap since day one, and I too use RMB for moving forwards since Duke Nukem days. No matter what I do, even remaping every single key in-game solves this problem, it's completely bugged and fucking annoying.

Upscalers don't do shit for me, so I'm sticking with TSR at Ultra and 100% res since even performance feels the same across every other upscaling options, going with DLSS or FSR makes it a complete ugly mess Sad
Have you tried autohotkey for the key remapping?
https://www.autohotkey.com/

It's stupid one has to go to that far, but... guess the devs were too traumatized to think about that or key remapping is popular among the ruskies or something Laughing


I was avoinding this path but seems to be the only option so far


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Un_Forastero




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 01:36    Post subject:
Decided to give up and try Frame Generation, at first I was surprised that it maintained a nice constant 60FPS at all scenarios and the input lag wasn't too annoying, but I'm getting even more stutters and to make things worse, the FPS randomly crawls to it's knees to a sub 10FPS experience Sad


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4treyu




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 01:57    Post subject:
Un_Forastero wrote:
Decided to give up and try Frame Generation, at first I was surprised that it maintained a nice constant 60FPS at all scenarios and the input lag wasn't too annoying, but I'm getting even more stutters and to make things worse, the FPS randomly crawls to it's knees to a sub 10FPS experience Sad


Yup, before uninstalling the game to wait for GSC to fix it I had already disabled frame generation as it felt worse with it enabled @60 fps (after applying cap) than without it at 40-45 fps.
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Un_Forastero




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 02:32    Post subject:
4treyu wrote:
Un_Forastero wrote:
Decided to give up and try Frame Generation, at first I was surprised that it maintained a nice constant 60FPS at all scenarios and the input lag wasn't too annoying, but I'm getting even more stutters and to make things worse, the FPS randomly crawls to it's knees to a sub 10FPS experience Sad


Yup, before uninstalling the game to wait for GSC to fix it I had already disabled frame generation as it felt worse with it enabled @60 fps (after applying cap) than without it at 40-45 fps.


When I've tried it at first there was a horrible input lag and tearing, and for about a year since I've got this card, I've never used FG for those reasons. What I did in the Nvidia Panel was to change these settings:

Low Latency = Ultra (Tried both On and Ultra, same stutter problems but way better mouse+kb response)
Vertical Sync = Fast
Frame Cap = 60FPS
FG Enabled ingame along with TSR @100% Res and Ultra Quality

Changing those settings made FG completely playable without screen tearing and the grotesque input lag, but sadly it increased the stutters for about 70% more


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M4trix




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 03:21    Post subject:
Men, drop the subject and turn on wait mode. 2025 will bring the definitive edition. If you still want to drive the car on 3 wheels, then good luck. Btw, look, even StEFaNson went into low profile mode. Razz
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vurt




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 03:27    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:

I got one at 4hrs


Nice. They refused mine.

I don't really care though, it's at least somewhat interesting to follow patches/fixes, but i could be without it too.
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blackeyedboy




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 08:02    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
blackeyedboy wrote:
Good thing people are waking - VERY slowly - up.

Mostly Positive now on Steam, down from Very Positive.


Considering the issues and the severity of performance problems + bugs, it should be scored far lower

With Very Positive reviews, there's less incentive for them to fix the game. Giving it a positive review in this state works against these people, as the customers. It's so baffling.


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Developers at Mixed reviews:

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tonizito
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 08:19    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
Interinactive wrote:

I got one at 4hrs


Nice. They refused mine.

I don't really care though, it's at least somewhat interesting to follow patches/fixes, but i could be without it too.
Try again but this time include an internet archive link showing a-life 2.0 in the features list and the current store link showing it absent and say that they deceived you Whirling cane


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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vurt




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 08:49    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
vurt wrote:
Interinactive wrote:

I got one at 4hrs


Nice. They refused mine.

I don't really care though, it's at least somewhat interesting to follow patches/fixes, but i could be without it too.
Try again but this time include an internet archive link showing a-life 2.0 in the features list and the current store link showing it absent and say that they deceived you Whirling cane


yeah i did say that, doesn't seem like they care. but it's fine, looking forward to try it again here and there and eventually do a playthough in like 3 years, the usual business Laughing
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4treyu




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 10:31    Post subject:
I see a lot of gamers and youtubers (mostly newcomers to S.T.A.L.K.E.R.) raving about the game, I wish I had their innocence so I could enjoy the game in its current state. As a veteran of the series, once you know what's missing you just can't unlearn it Laughing
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Areius




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 11:12    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
Interinactive wrote:

I got one at 4hrs


Nice. They refused mine.

I don't really care though, it's at least somewhat interesting to follow patches/fixes, but i could be without it too.

List them this https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-commercial-practices/index_en.htm
And mention:
"When promoting, selling or supplying products, companies must give you enough accurate information"
Which they haven't done. Steam'll process it for sure, have used this a couple of times in the past.


PC: Yes. Console: No.
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vurt




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 11:35    Post subject:
Areius wrote:
vurt wrote:
Interinactive wrote:

I got one at 4hrs


Nice. They refused mine.

I don't really care though, it's at least somewhat interesting to follow patches/fixes, but i could be without it too.

List them this https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-commercial-practices/index_en.htm
And mention:
"When promoting, selling or supplying products, companies must give you enough accurate information"
Which they haven't done. Steam'll process it for sure, have used this a couple of times in the past.


Cool. Might try it. Thanks.
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tonizito
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 12:03    Post subject:
If they refuse, for sure there's some tranny somewhere in there who knows who you are and is clicking the "refund denied" button over and over Laughing


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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vurt




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 12:18    Post subject:
yeah, maybe i'll change my Steam avatar to the pride flag first Razz
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4treyu




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 12:53    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
yeah, maybe i'll change my Steam avatar to the pride flag first Razz


That's so 2020, Sweet Baby Inc. logo is where it's at these days Cute Pom Pom's Bouncy Gal'
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FireMaster




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 13:43    Post subject:
purple maxxing Laughing

I wasn't expecting much at all given its development circumstances, so far switching engines brought more troubles than it's worth imo. Esp looking at what GAMMA and such have squeezed out of the old one.


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OrignalSpaceJockey




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 13:44    Post subject:
I'm really enjoying my time in the zone (with mods).

But with the current state of the game. I just can't give it a positive review on steam.
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MirkoOdora




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 14:31    Post subject:
Enjoying it. Running just fine at 1080p on epic, native, DLSS AA only.

Can confirm all the bugs mentioned so far.


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Un_Forastero




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 14:59    Post subject:
OrignalSpaceJockey wrote:
I'm really enjoying my time in the zone (with mods).

But with the current state of the game. I just can't give it a positive review on steam.


True. Game is pretty good underneath the issues, it manages to capture the previous game's atmosphere and feels like a true stalker game, plus some nice details such as "physical" lightnings during thunderstorms, the way anomalies interacts with the world/flora, gunplay is also very nice with neat gun animations too. But sadly in it's current state, it pretty much outweighs the positive things. All in all, it should be a pretty decent experience when(if) it gets some proper fixes


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 15:48    Post subject:
Un_Forastero wrote:
Mythril wrote:
After playing it for a few hours, I think I've decided to leave the game for a while. Let them finish it off. I would say it's maybe 80% complete as it stands at the moment. There are lots of things that are broken or in need of extra work. I want a good experience not a slog.

Things I've noticed that need attention:

1) Key mapping broken. Can't assign keys to my liking. IE: (No laughing) I use RMB for forwards. Have done for 35 years. I can map the key fine but when I go to climb a ladder, the key mapping defaults to "W" to climb or "S" to descend. Flash light is none mappable. Melee is not mappable unless you edit the config file then that works. Can't move forwards with a bolt in my hand or knife. I have to get up close and personal with whatever object I'm looking at to interact with it. 1" too far away and I've to change from the knife, move closer, select the knife and I can interact with said object.

2) Extremely badly optimised. Needs a lot of work here. No A-Life 2.0 as promised. It's in the code as someone has been doing some digging and found reference to it but it's either turned off at present or it's badly trashed and needs an big overhaul. Basically it's not as originally advertised.

3) I can't currently run the game in native resolution for some odd reason. If I try, the graphics look broken, almost like they are massively over sharpened. Changing settings simply does not do anything. I can only run the game in TAA or DLSS which is not acceptable. If I use DLSS, the graphics look blurred. If I use TAA, they look a lot cleaner but still washed out.

4) The mod community are starting to have a play with the games settings. I have found one mod that helps with fps and removes most, if not all of the mouse lag. That's helping a lot but it's still not 100%.

5) Some of mutants in the game are like bullet sponges. I had three Bloodsuckers come at me at once out in the open. I'd only been in the game for twenty minutes. Barely had a pea shooter to kill them with ! Stamina is a joke. I run for 15m and I'm knackered making it hard to get anywhere, even worse when in a fire fight.

Anyway, this is just a few things I've noticed so hopefully they'll address them in the coming weeks/months.... Years..... Confused


Dear lord, I've been struggling with the fucking bolt keymap since day one, and I too use RMB for moving forwards since Duke Nukem days. No matter what I do, even remaping every single key in-game solves this problem, it's completely bugged and fucking annoying.

Upscalers don't do shit for me, so I'm sticking with TSR at Ultra and 100% res since even performance feels the same across every other upscaling options, going with DLSS or FSR makes it a complete ugly mess Sad


RMB for forwards ! It's like I've just met my long lost brother. Thought I was the only one Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 16:32    Post subject:
Un_Forastero wrote:
OrignalSpaceJockey wrote:
I'm really enjoying my time in the zone (with mods).

But with the current state of the game. I just can't give it a positive review on steam.


True. Game is pretty good underneath the issues, it manages to capture the previous game's atmosphere and feels like a true stalker game, plus some nice details such as "physical" lightnings during thunderstorms, the way anomalies interacts with the world/flora, gunplay is also very nice with neat gun animations too. But sadly in it's current state, it pretty much outweighs the positive things. All in all, it should be a pretty decent experience when(if) it gets some proper fixes


^ This.

Goodbye. / Uninstall.

Will return - no doubt - at a later time.


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Un_Forastero




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 18:49    Post subject:
Mythril wrote:
Un_Forastero wrote:
Mythril wrote:
After playing it for a few hours, I think I've decided to leave the game for a while. Let them finish it off. I would say it's maybe 80% complete as it stands at the moment. There are lots of things that are broken or in need of extra work. I want a good experience not a slog.

Things I've noticed that need attention:

1) Key mapping broken. Can't assign keys to my liking. IE: (No laughing) I use RMB for forwards. Have done for 35 years. I can map the key fine but when I go to climb a ladder, the key mapping defaults to "W" to climb or "S" to descend. Flash light is none mappable. Melee is not mappable unless you edit the config file then that works. Can't move forwards with a bolt in my hand or knife. I have to get up close and personal with whatever object I'm looking at to interact with it. 1" too far away and I've to change from the knife, move closer, select the knife and I can interact with said object.

2) Extremely badly optimised. Needs a lot of work here. No A-Life 2.0 as promised. It's in the code as someone has been doing some digging and found reference to it but it's either turned off at present or it's badly trashed and needs an big overhaul. Basically it's not as originally advertised.

3) I can't currently run the game in native resolution for some odd reason. If I try, the graphics look broken, almost like they are massively over sharpened. Changing settings simply does not do anything. I can only run the game in TAA or DLSS which is not acceptable. If I use DLSS, the graphics look blurred. If I use TAA, they look a lot cleaner but still washed out.

4) The mod community are starting to have a play with the games settings. I have found one mod that helps with fps and removes most, if not all of the mouse lag. That's helping a lot but it's still not 100%.

5) Some of mutants in the game are like bullet sponges. I had three Bloodsuckers come at me at once out in the open. I'd only been in the game for twenty minutes. Barely had a pea shooter to kill them with ! Stamina is a joke. I run for 15m and I'm knackered making it hard to get anywhere, even worse when in a fire fight.

Anyway, this is just a few things I've noticed so hopefully they'll address them in the coming weeks/months.... Years..... Confused


Dear lord, I've been struggling with the fucking bolt keymap since day one, and I too use RMB for moving forwards since Duke Nukem days. No matter what I do, even remaping every single key in-game solves this problem, it's completely bugged and fucking annoying.

Upscalers don't do shit for me, so I'm sticking with TSR at Ultra and 100% res since even performance feels the same across every other upscaling options, going with DLSS or FSR makes it a complete ugly mess Sad


RMB for forwards ! It's like I've just met my long lost brother. Thought I was the only one Laughing


Hahahaha you and me both Very Happy my friends always give me that look once they see that in every single game that I play lol


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 19:40    Post subject:


May the NFOrce be with you always.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 20:14    Post subject:
its officially lol wut


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madmax17




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2024 20:44    Post subject:
What's a-life anyway, more like gay-life Bouncy Gal'
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W123




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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2024 04:58    Post subject:
Game development, never change. When you see that they spent time implementing the guitar playing system, which clearly would have taken some time.. and then silly shit like having to shoot mutants with ten 12 gauge shots while their broken AI randomly disengages you and is walking away from you, and the game economy is broken because repairing guns that have attachments on them is prohibitively expensive... basic stuff.. not to mention the fact that AI is literally spawning 20 feet away from you.

Just crazy mismanagement and allocation of resources and stupid little pet projects that take precedence over the basics. It never fails to amaze me lol.
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