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vurt
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You don't think we can argue just the same for you, that you're instead downplaying?
"Oh, i know someone, and they had this experience, that means i'm right!" lol. how would anyone know that's even true, you've always come off as someone with a slight case of mythomania if i'm going to be completely honest.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 11:51 Post subject: |
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You can argue, you have every right to argue I am. Youd be wrong but that doesn't remove your right to.
And I don't mind if you think I have mythomania. I can't convince you otherwise. So no reason to try to counter it.
But what are the chances I guess...I would have kids in the US, in this day and age, who happen to know other kids in the US, that are going through the thing that seems to be the major social situation for this generation in the US.
Pretty low I guess..so naturally I would have to lie that my kids know other kids, that are intertwined with a major cultural event that is going on in kids their age. 
Id say that believing me as a dad I have kids over the age of 12 that still openly talk to me about their social life, situations, and relationships, would be the FAR less believable thing, than me knowing people going thru the major social hot topic of this moment...
I grew up in the Riverside area of Jacksonville in my late teens/early twenties. The meca of Jax for gay/alt/goth/punk, so naturally I would have to lie about those 10 or so years to make up a sizable group of gays/alt/LGBT I know over that time. And might as well lie about my fictional friends of how I still fictionally talk to many of them either online or in person semi-regularly.
Fuck 3/4 of our pathfinder tabletop group is either gay or LGBT. and 1/2 those are 18 to 25-year-old friends of my son, I became friends with.
But hey you don't know me. Take my stories as fantastical fiction if you want. I have no concerns either way if random person #4,412,563-C on the internet believes me.
And I admit, I could be off base in my assessment. BUT who has a higher chance of being closer to the needle in the middle where true is? A guy who has on a inter-personal level known people involved with in some way, or directly, with that community for 30 years (turned 50 days ago..damn Im old). Or some dude who reads about it online? We might both be wrong, but I'd bet my dick (reference intended) I am far closer to the pulse of truth than you.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 13:26 Post subject: |
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| SumZero wrote: |
That's not how it works, its not how any of that works.
I assume (maybe wrongly) you have zero actual idea how it works and are going off 3rd hand online info that is second-hand outrage over poorly or selected out-of-context 1st hand snippets of info that are inaccurate out of the context as a whole?(and its out of context on purpose to invoke the sentiment you have from that)
I mean it is completely different than you describe. Unless they are going to some fringe ostriched doctor specifically because he rejects the established regime of general medical professionals. NO 'kid' can even start to get any elicit or augmenting procedures, or prescribed alterations (hormones), until well after the Menarche stage of puberty years. Before 16 is rare, 18 is the typical age
As the process, stages of assessment and stop-gap milestones, and different stages and years of counseling by a mental health expert that happen at different ages, all before they are even 'allowed' to start any invasive or persuasive outside facilitated changes..is literally NOTHING like you mention it happens as.
No doctor (well surgeons..two different things: All surgeons are physicians, but all physicians are not surgeons) will cut you open to remove a dangerous tumor without rigorous tests, studies, and expert opinions of specialized doctors signing off on the necessity of the operation. As well as well versing you on the dangers, complications, future expectations, and implications of you agreeing to that surgery.
Do you....think they just go "Well Johny don't want a penis, and mom said its ok. hand me the estrogen and scissors"
Any doctor giving a preteen pre-Menarche person any of what you mentioned should be reported. As what they are doing is criminally chargeable and medical malpractice liable in the biggest way possible. |
I love how you equate a perfectly functioning organ to a dangerous tumor. By the point you reach the surgeon you're already fucked on a hormonal level and the changes you've experienced are past the point of no return. It doesn't matter by that point since you're infertile and have grown too much breast tissue for the changes to be reversible. (I'm talking in the case of mtf obviously since it's the one I have the most knowledge/experience with). So yeah, being on hormones and surrounded by toxic positivity and encouragement, most are too brainwashed to consider anything else, especially since it was their initial delusion that got them there. It's actually pathetically easy to get on hormone treatment even in a more conservative country like my own, let alone the US, and that is considering when people take the full official route, and don't just DIY ruin their lives.
Whatever, we can talk in 20 years when the fallout of all this madness will be impossible to ignore, and society will have to live with how many lives they've ruined.
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zenux
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 13:51 Post subject: |
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I like reading his texts. He writes them for me too.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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zenux
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 19:07 Post subject: |
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@zenux
Caring if people believe me, and having conversations of subjects with others on sharing opinions are completely different things.
If I had to pick between people believing what I say, or learning something from what I say. I will pick the latter. I doubt I do either, but that would be my preference if I had to pick one.
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Nickchange is because I left for a few months, then thought "how is it now?".
Came back and first thread I saw was the old 'drag out the horse to beat about young people changing the world as they do, and old people confused and mad about it as its not how they remember doing it"...and went "fuck it, lets post to the old people yelling at clouds and kids again for a bit."
And I feel that 'bit' is coming to an end.
Realizing this place isn't what it used to be. Or at least not what it used to be to me.
As repetitive as I MYSELF am. It's really the same 3-4 subjects spread over threads and topics.
People complained about how much I posted about things. But if you look, I never was the first to bring it up....so others are posting as much about it as me. It's that I'm not on the same cart posting about it.
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zenux
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 19:43 Post subject: |
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Multiple things:
Decided to leave and didnt post. About a month later son moved back in (lost his job), had to work and deal with that for a week or so so wasn't online much anyway.
Then I got arrested and spent 2 weeks in jail. I had my wife sell my PC and CNC router for bond money. (Might be looking at prison time again, hoping for house arrest).
The first account I purposely lost.
I Don't use LastPass or any online password vault, I use a local one. PC was formatted and sold. So second I didn't want to bother the admins to reset as I wasn't coming back to post anyway, and made this one simply because unregistered people cannot see some of the categories to read. Then saw the posts and eventually went "Damnit...they are drawing me to post again" and here I am.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 20:18 Post subject: |
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| SumZero wrote: | @zenux
Caring if people believe me, and having conversations of subjects with others on sharing opinions are completely different things.
If I had to pick between people believing what I say, or learning something from what I say. I will pick the latter. I doubt I do either, but that would be my preference if I had to pick one.
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Nickchange is because I left for a few months, then thought "how is it now?".
Came back and first thread I saw was the old 'drag out the horse to beat about young people changing the world as they do, and old people confused and mad about it as its not how they remember doing it"...and went "fuck it, lets post to the old people yelling at clouds and kids again for a bit."
And I feel that 'bit' is coming to an end.
Realizing this place isn't what it used to be. Or at least not what it used to be to me.
As repetitive as I MYSELF am. It's really the same 3-4 subjects spread over threads and topics.
People complained about how much I posted about things. But if you look, I never was the first to bring it up....so others are posting as much about it as me. It's that I'm not on the same cart posting about it. |
It is rich that you say "this place isn't what it used to" i mean, you have done your share at making discussions and opinions uncomfortable so you're not very innocent. Many people do these days depending on the subject, but you did so way too much. Pages upon pages of nonsense discussions and let's not forget that you admit to your arrogance and lack acknowledging being in the wrong in these lengthy discussions
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zenux
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 20:34 Post subject: |
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@zenux
Doesnt help distract so much. Would be here/doing what I am doing outside here either way.
For my real life problems. I try to live by:
Is something wrong? Yes. Can I fix it? Yes. Then why worry over it, it can be fixed.
Is something wrong? Yes. Can I fix it? No. Then why worry over it, you can't do anything.
This is the latter. It will be what it will be. I cannot change/fix/do anything until I get to a judge decision that is out of my hands. Might it suck when that comes? OH yea. But until then stressing and dwelling on it does nothing productive or useful, only harmful.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 20:45 Post subject: |
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I never claim to be innocent. The worst (I think) innocent of something claim I did was point out I don't name call people or get personal with attacks like some tended to do.
Maybe because I don't see these topics (our topics, not THE topic it is about) as objectively right or wrong. As its opinions ON those topics. I see it as subjectively for or against a thing. Saying your opinion is bad, is not saying you are wrong for having it. Just saying it's a shitty one to have.
And I don't think anyone can have a 'wrong' opinion. Just a bad one. Now I can point out that your opinion is based on wrong information. But again I don't think I have ever told anyone outright their opinion is wrong. Just what formed it is.
Like people posting yesterday of saying lots of kids (in the social collective of what image 'kid' brings up in your mind) are getting sex changes..I will call stuff like that wrong, it's outright wrong and incorrect. Now someone saying they think it would be stupid that they can change is Fine. that is an opinion. Saying they can change isn't, that an incorrect statement.
maybe loss of context, and people or you assume I am attacking your opinions and saying they are wrong. Im not. I'm debating the things you used to form it. You can keep the opinion you have after. Just get the stack of papers of info you used to make it correct and we are copacetic disagreeing.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 20:54 Post subject: |
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No, you didn't go for personal attacks you've got that right. You did show your disdain through even more vigorous discussions though  While you didn't go for personal attacks, you did have your way of talking down at people, and being grown ass men, you know that doesn't land well with anyone except the meekest.
On your last part, if it's not my kid they can mutilate themselves as much as they want, not my business. But when they go in my face and ask me what i think about their Frankenstein body, i'm not gonna give them the answer they want, or when media portrays it as such a good thing and just tries to breed positivity around the subject, i'm gonna be annoyed,
The victims here are the true mental cases who do in fact have the personality of the other gender and not just people jumping on trends, but it's such an important thing to not make a trend out of things like this.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 20:59 Post subject: |
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And I agreed with that too.
My example was if on holloween my daughter when young dressed as a princess. Me and my wife, and friends can call her your highness to please her. But if we went to McDonalds and they didn't and just asked "What do you want little girl" I wouldn't go "You WILL call her your Highness, she is a princess".
The illusion of comfort and agreement in the dress-up is a compassion and caring thing from those that love her. Not expected of everyone.
But my take on it for me: Someone named Jason wants me to call them Jamie and a her? Sure. It costs me literally nothing. While to them its thier main world, and me doing so with zero effort put into it..why not? Show some compassion for a stranger that does not effect or impact me in anyway, but has a large impact for them. Sure.
BUT just because I don't expect everyone to, doesn't mean I cannot think it is shitty they do not. Or even shittier if they refuse to out of spite.
As above, I am not saying you are wrong for not doing it. Your opinion. Just shitty for not doing it.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 22:18 Post subject: |
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| SumZero wrote: | Multiple things:
Decided to leave and didnt post. About a month later son moved back in (lost his job), had to work and deal with that for a week or so so wasn't online much anyway.
Then I got arrested and spent 2 weeks in jail. I had my wife sell my PC and CNC router for bond money. (Might be looking at prison time again, hoping for house arrest).
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Are you alright??? How did you end up in jail?
Also hope you weren't affected by the flooding.
1 and 2 are still amazing. |
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 22:30 Post subject: |
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I'm as good as can be expected.
if I get prison time, I lose my job of 18 years, my house we bought (cant pay if I am in prison), most my woodworking tools as I told my wife to start selling it as needed each month to pay mortgage as long as she can to give her time to work something out.
But I cant control any of the outcome. So just prep myself to be ready for whatever, and make sure my family is OK. or as OK as can be. They don't need to suffer for my thing.
And went to jail for stupid stuff with stupid people, me included in that list. Nothing major at all. just my past record is fucking me in it.
Until it's over don't want to mention any details. Chances of anything here being found and used in it is a lotteries chance. But like my lawyer says: Dont say anything to anyone that could be used. As if one detail is different, or left out, or out of context they can use it however they want to prove something they want to argue has a discrepency.
The only reason I face any time (as its not that serious), is because of my past record history. In Florida it counts towards your time sentenced as a 'point' system. Each time you go you gain X points, and the total including new points is considered. You got say, 20 points and didn't get in trouble for 30 years? Well you now have like 20 + whatever, when you get in any criminal trouble 30 years later no matter how small.
And the floods wasn't too bad here in my area. Wind was a MotherFUCKER. shit all over the yard. But I got a brick house so house was fine. Just had no power for 3 days the first time, and 2 days the next (two hurricanes passed us in last few months)
SO yea, I could argue I could have had a better last few months...haha
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Nov 2024 00:48 Post subject: |
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Oh, yeah. Best to follow your lawyer's advice, you never know. Fingers crossed things go well for you. Good to hear you weren't affected by the floods and weathered the strong winds.
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Nov 2024 04:06 Post subject: |
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I must have been posted in this thread.
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Damn i just wanted to get a sense on the birth certificate stuff lol. Funny story, i was registered as a female in DR, every so often they "rewrite" old documents as they start to deteriorate, i got written up as a female somehow, that was fun.
