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Przepraszam
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| zmed wrote: | | Przepraszam wrote: | | Can we have a break from Marvel movies for like 5-10 years :/ |
Yes. It's called "not watching them". |
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LeoNatan
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garus
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2024 11:45 Post subject: |
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Not like they can save them from shitty scripts and bad decisions that started from Infinity Wart 
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2024 16:06 Post subject: ***** |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2024 18:46 Post subject: |
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They were the worst ones? What heroin are you on?
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2024 19:09 Post subject: |
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Well to be honest, none of them was 'good'. Entertaining sure. Good? I myself say of all the MCU movies, 5 out of 10 is the best I'd give the good ones.
It felt like they went: How do we take cheesy, late 90's, over the top teenager focused comic book stories and plots..and make them worse?
(Looking at you thanos MCU..man I hated those so much, the comic thanos motivation story was 10x better. why not use it?? Why make him have 'arguable' good intentions??? He was pure selfish power hungry carnage in the real story. He killed 1/2 the universe trying to impress a chick [lady death] trying to bang her because she asked.)
As well as tweak every character to be the most overarching generic version of itself.
Only two characters I personally liked for consistency of 'vibe' with the actual characters was Stark, and Hulk. I guess Scott was ok, but Scott (cyclops) was always a milk toast character in the books. Can't really mess up shallow entitled douchebag much. take Fred from scooby doo, slap on some entitled asshole-ness, you got Scott.
Wolvy too to a degree I guess was ok. But they keep a later wolvy persona, into stories earlier in the comic timeline where he was more 'primal angry honey badger' type.
Not that it didn't work, but it loses it flair and bite intended of the scenes/panels, when you replace the 'where he is in his head atm' with a more 'already wrestling to come to grips with himself' wolvy.
The movies lost most the complexly primal and instinctually motivated angry wolvy, and went with his later down the line: 'Grumpy old man with anger issues, and dislike of social situations' wolvy.
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2024 20:59 Post subject: |
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marvel gone to shit after russo movies but also russo didnt make anything good after they left marvel
I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes..
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2024 21:05 Post subject: |
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| StEFaN7 wrote: | | marvel gone to shit after russo movies but also russo didnt make anything good after they left marvel |
Unlike Hack Snyder |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Jul 2024 14:37 Post subject: ***** |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Jul 2024 18:06 Post subject: |
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| StEFaN7 wrote: | | marvel gone to shit after russo movies but also russo didnt make anything good after they left marvel |
The russo movies were meh too. Specially End Game
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tonizito
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The bag of money must be HUGEEEEE. And all that for (IMO) no return on the box office.
We'll see
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2024 13:17 Post subject: |
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RDJ looks like he'll be playing the character with a walking stick
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2024 16:38 Post subject: |
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They desperate.
sar·​casm | \ ˈsär-ˌka-zəm \
1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
b: the use or language of sarcasm
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garus
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2024 00:04 Post subject: |
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I might be wrong but DR.Doom cant/wont take of his mask ever.
Step 1: Take a noname actor and make him put on the doom mask/costume.
Step 2: Pay off Robert Downey Jr. so he gives you the rights to use his voice through a.i. technology.
Step 3: Make the audience believe it's Robert Downey Jr. so they keep fanboying and watching plus don't worry about the actor being too old since you can keep this going for years and years.
Step 4: Profit.
Maybe besides initial scenes where the character gets introduced to make it more believable...
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2024 00:15 Post subject: |
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@lametta
Would be tricky and could backfire, you need to find someone that can emulate Downey's mannerisms and physical movement traits.
Otherwise some people will be able to tell its not him. He's one of those actors that no matter what he plays, the way he walks, carries himself, physically does things, and moves is inherent to him. Like Chris Farley, Robert De Niro, or Christopher Walken. Even if they didnt talk or you couldn't see thier face. Knowing its them you can tell its them or not (like a stunt actor or fill in for scenes) by thier physical screen presentation.
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | @lametta
Would be tricky and could backfire, you need to find someone that can emulate Downey's mannerisms and physical movement traits.
Otherwise some people will be able to tell its not him. He's one of those actors that no matter what he plays, the way he walks, carries himself, physically does things, and moves is inherent to him. Like Chris Farley, Robert De Niro, or Christopher Walken. Even if they didnt talk or you couldn't see thier face. Knowing its them you can tell its them or not (like a stunt actor or fill in for scenes) by thier physical screen presentation. |
So actors whose hold "job" is to act like someone else can't copy the mannerisms of robert downey jr.? well i disagree
Anyhow we will see in due time.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2024 02:11 Post subject: |
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Not saying someone can't. But you'd need to hire someone whos specialty is that.
There is famous well paid actors thats job is to act like someone else that cannot emulate well physicality of presence or mannerisms, other than themselves without tell tale signs its them underneath. Most of them actually.
They speak, dress, talk, and take on a persona of a character. But the physical presence is still them underneath. It's rare to find an actor that is good at hiding who they are, and emulate someone else, in thier movement mannerisms.
Take Jim Carrey for example. Put him in any costume, to play any part, and within a few minutes I can tell its him. Even as Kaufman it felt like Jim being Kaufman, and not Kaufman (to me). Same with Brad Pitt (hes meh to start with so not a good example, just and easy one).
Johnny Depp too. Lots of wildly different roles. But the foundation under them all is just 'Johnny trying to be something not Johnny.'
RDJ also: Be it Iron Man, Tropic Thunder, Chaplin, Dolittle, all the way back to Weird Science and Back to School in the 80's. His looks are different, but his movement, quirks, and way of presenting himself in motion..so to speak, is identifiable as him. (vs when its background actor 'being' him or stunt double).
Even Gary Oldman as good as he is, has a 'him' about himself in all the roles running undercurrent to the character.
Maybe its just me and my 'tism. But its one of those things once I notice it I cant stop noticing it.
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Seems like a lot of work, training, and vetting method fill in actors when RDJ will still need to be paid for voicing, will expect to get paid near the roles fixed compensation as he will be billed and credited as such. (unless they are upfront before production Doom isnt RDJ, just his voice).
Along with the backlash that would come if people found out they was tricked when they thought it was RDJ.
Stunt roles, and background bits of fill in, sure. But in 1/3 frame center talking? And people are not told upfront that isnt RDJ and just lead to think it is? Does marvel want worse rating than they get now?
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garus
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2024 12:11 Post subject: |
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Pedro wasn't a huge star setup on stage in a reveal made to purposely show he was playing that character.
And I said stunt doubles people are fine with. Id suspect them making a big deal of RDJ playing doom, and then he is never the one in the scene talking as doom would be slightly different.
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garus
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2024 12:16 Post subject: |
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Why they did is besides the point. I never mentioned they are doing it to save money, lametta did.
I'm talking about the audience expectations by what the studio themselves said, not the logistics of who plays when.
(most) People dont care if it was pedro or not before it was flimed. I seriously doubt if they totally replaced him, he never got the role, and took him out and used someone else totally anyone would have fussed. He's like the guy that played chewbacka, put a new guy in the fur suit..its fine.
People care if its RDJ because they went out of thier way before even making it, to say he IS playing Doom.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2024 12:21 Post subject: |
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Oh I agree, scenes that dont need talking or maskless. Could be doubles.
I'm was talking about lametta's take. That he is never on screen at all, and only goes in a voice booth and the rest is someone else you see the entire time.
Which I feel they could do, if they didnt have him symbolically take off the mask on stage to imply that it is him behind the mask.
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