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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 17:21    Post subject:
Then maybe you should try another class or move on. Or maybe you should have waited for the full release to see if you like what they did with the powers.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 17:28    Post subject:
I doubt the full release will radically change how powers are picked/given. and tried 3 classes so far. All the same: Level up, get a specific power. Get a few branches that slightly change how that power works.

Not saying its bad or dogshit in itself. Just not what I was after or expecting.
To me it feels like D4, with a more complicated UI but roughly the same level of: You are X class, you do these things...and these things only. want to be a mage with some minions and uses magic arrows from a bow? Well too bad. You are a mage, and JUST a mage, no dabbling in none mage things.


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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 17:59    Post subject:
Mastery is where things start to come together. But given your complaint, it seems you don't like the class system in H&S, so I doubt you'll find what you want here.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 18:28    Post subject:
Yea, I think PoE spoiled me on infinite (even if some useless) options. The majority of my fun in it is spending hours sometimes slapping gems together to see what a 6 or 4 link of things I think sound cool together does.

Like my friend I made a setup for, that is a Witch.
But uses the red gem for Cyclone, linked to cast when channeling, and volatile dead to spin around the screen exploding corpses to make heat seeking fireballs that chase enemies. Along with 5 totems that spawn corpses to add more to explode. Most of of the powers are not Witch powers. As it borrowed gems suited for Marauder and Templar. But it was exactly what he wanted his playstyle and gameplay to be: Can you make me a guy that pirouettes around the screen exploding enemies with fire damage?

And you can start doing that type of gem theory crafting around level 10. about 45 minutes in. Here I am 12 hours in, and still feel like I am locked into someone else's build guide, as it just 'gives' me powers at set levels. Like I am following a build guide hard coded into the game and has a few places you are free to tweak that build.


-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 18:42    Post subject:
Servers are fucked Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 18:48    Post subject:
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 19:47    Post subject:
It's not up to a great start. I played a few maps, the bear druid seems ruined with no improvements to the technical or gameplay problems it had.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 20:12    Post subject:
Click play full offline.
Wait really long time for the game to load.
Click create new cycle character.
The game gets stuck with no characters to select with no way to get back to any previous screen.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 20:25    Post subject:
Is there no way to re-bind left click to move OR normal attack if an enemy is selected? Do I really have to waste a fucking skill slot and button on normal attack? What kind of autistic faggotry is this?!

I can see that left click is sub-divided into two actions via a diagonal line, but they are both mapped to move, and no amount of clicking on them allows me to rebind them.


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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Feb 2024 20:42    Post subject:
I know it's diablo clone and the plot isn't that important but reading the dialogues is something else.


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 00:48    Post subject:
Does anyone know for sure whether offline mode characters are backed up via Steam Cloud saving?

I play these types of games alone, and good thing too given the monumental clusterfuck that's going on (as expected - modern devs give zero fucks about launches, it's all about maximum profit via minimal spending). That said, it'd be nice to have my offline characters auto saved to the cloud.


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W123




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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 05:15    Post subject:
Omg so much dialogue and story/lore dumping. Worst part is you cant click it to reveal the dialogue so you can speed read... it'll just skip the whole line. Just awful.

Gameplay wise it's fun enough and the skill system seems deep. Much more fun than Diablo4 where you have to use your shitty resource generator that does 15% weapon damage so you can finally use your 150% weapon damage resource spender Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Can't speak to itemization yet since im only 2 hours in but so far the combat is fun, the story/world/visuals are generic AF but luckily you don't play these types of games for those reasons anyways.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 12:15    Post subject:
Immunity wrote:
Does anyone know for sure whether offline mode characters are backed up via Steam Cloud saving?

I play these types of games alone, and good thing too given the monumental clusterfuck that's going on (as expected - modern devs give zero fucks about launches, it's all about maximum profit via minimal spending). That said, it'd be nice to have my offline characters auto saved to the cloud.


Yes there is Steam Cloud support for offline mode (online saves are server side only anyway so it's not necessary).
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 16:47    Post subject:
Immunity wrote:
Is there no way to re-bind left click to move OR normal attack if an enemy is selected? Do I really have to waste a fucking skill slot and button on normal attack? What kind of autistic faggotry is this?!

I can see that left click is sub-divided into two actions via a diagonal line, but they are both mapped to move, and no amount of clicking on them allows me to rebind them.


Yes I wondered that too, but I could never have put things quite so eloquently as you have.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 17:20    Post subject:
I bought the game last year but didn't play it but let me get this straight:

1.campaing isnt complete with 1.0
2.still lots of bugs
3.some character classes dont work properly

Dunno if ive been missinformed, but if true how is this a 1.0?
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 17:42    Post subject:
Keep trying to like it, as a friend really likes it. But I just can't get into it. I get bored of the classes after like level 40ish. A mix of being locked into a theme. Along with everytime it forces a new power on me its a toss up on if I even want to use it. And the ones I do use, never feel 'right' for how I want to make it work but cant since my choices on its mechanic changes are limited in scope.
Not sure how to describe how it feels to me. Its less you get to branch out as you grow into branches you make. It's more you get to pick the color of paint the rails you are on are colored.

Not a bad game, just not for me is all.


-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 18:38    Post subject:
Usually the same problem with me. I get set in my ways so if i suddenly get new abilities then 90% chance i won't even use it. Now i don't browse the web for meta builds and such, like 99% others do these days. Still, i get on just fine most of the time
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 18:48    Post subject:
DXWarlock wrote:
Keep trying to like it, as a friend really likes it. But I just can't get into it. I get bored of the classes after like level 40ish. A mix of being locked into a theme. Along with everytime it forces a new power on me its a toss up on if I even want to use it. And the ones I do use, never feel 'right' for how I want to make it work but cant since my choices on its mechanic changes are limited in scope.
Not sure how to describe how it feels to me. Its less you get to branch out as you grow into branches you make. It's more you get to pick the color of paint the rails you are on are colored.

Not a bad game, just not for me is all.


Sounds like you dont like any arpg then?
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 18:50    Post subject:
Mine isnt so much set in my ways. More coming in set in a way I want to mold it. And can't.
I get bored with games once I figure them out. So I avoid all spoilers, or builds, or meta and enjoy figuring stuff out in nearly any game I play. I go in blind as the longer I take to work out all the possible options, the longer I play it.

This game doesn't scratch that itch for me, or maybe scratches it too fast? By level 20 I can see the 12 powers I can ever get, and figure out which fit my 'theme' I am going go, or lack of options to fit it.

Like in PoE, id say honestly 1/2 my time is going "OHH what if I combine this, with this, and this other gem, then do these support gems..whats that do??" Sure someone else has figured that out and if it's shit or not. But I dont know that. And it's the discovery process of nearly endless options to try to find the 'perfect' one of how I want gameplay to feel.
Here within 2 hours of playing you get the total jist of the character overall. no real mysterious deviation. So it's not so much not knowing what to expect and experimenting. As it is just waiting for what you know to expect to get at level X. Which grows boring to me.


-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 18:51    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Sounds like you dont like any arpg then?

I love PoE, and loved uh...one from the early 2000s can't remember the name. But it had a pyramid WAAAY off in the desert if you ran long enough to discover it. Was it Sacred? doesn't seem like thats it, but that popped in my head..but think its wrong.
Diablo-like ones with 'level up, get X power like every other of your class" no, not really my thing.

Same with MMO's I dont like those either. "level up, get X power like every other of your class". I'm more into necron/Asheron's Call/Anarchy online type of "spend a wide range points in focused areas to mold and create unique twists of powers you want for you" type MMOs.

Just because a type of game in X genre isnt my style. Doesnt mean I dont enjoy that genre. I just dont enjoy those in that genre.


-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 18:57    Post subject:
titan quest had a pyramid after 6 hours or so Laughing Im up for some titan quest coop, never finished it. cause it was soooo long and i was picking up way to much trash
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 19:00    Post subject:
Might be it. Was a side thing easter egg way off of the side of the map. All I remember was playing a mage, and friend was too and ours was WILDLY different on mechanics, playstyle and powers. Like to the point they was barely even the same thing other than we both used magic. I was glass cannon AoE DoT fire carnage. His was focused high crit single target ice sniper.


-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Feb 2024 19:47    Post subject:
DXWarlock wrote:
Mine isnt so much set in my ways. More coming in set in a way I want to mold it. And can't.
I get bored with games once I figure them out. So I avoid all spoilers, or builds, or meta and enjoy figuring stuff out in nearly any game I play. I go in blind as the longer I take to work out all the possible options, the longer I play it.

This game doesn't scratch that itch for me, or maybe scratches it too fast? By level 20 I can see the 12 powers I can ever get, and figure out which fit my 'theme' I am going go, or lack of options to fit it.

Like in PoE, id say honestly 1/2 my time is going "OHH what if I combine this, with this, and this other gem, then do these support gems..whats that do??" Sure someone else has figured that out and if it's shit or not. But I dont know that. And it's the discovery process of nearly endless options to try to find the 'perfect' one of how I want gameplay to feel.
Here within 2 hours of playing you get the total jist of the character overall. no real mysterious deviation. So it's not so much not knowing what to expect and experimenting. As it is just waiting for what you know to expect to get at level X. Which grows boring to me.


Dropped PoE because i specced entirely wrong and got kinda gimped as stuff got increasingly difficult. That's when i can check guides and sadly, recommended builds did not interest me at all so i quit. Complexity should never be a giant trap.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2024 12:10    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2024 17:02    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:

Dropped PoE because i specced entirely wrong and got kinda gimped as stuff got increasingly difficult. That's when i can check guides and sadly, recommended builds did not interest me at all so i quit. Complexity should never be a giant trap.

Got ya, think its out totally different approach to them.
I dont look anything up in most games. And for PoE I bet I have respecced my tree 10 times trying different things, it's what fun for me: Think of a concept of playstyle. Try it see if I like it and/or if it works.
Some worked for maps but I didn't like the feel of, some played awesome but sucked for damage, and some sounded cool, but didn't work how I thought in my head.

Its like legos sort of. I dont build whats on the box for the pieces. And not everything I build will be good, but I have fun with unlimited pieces tearing them apart and starting over until I find a thing I really like.


-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 08:36    Post subject:
I refunded this for now. Something about it just feels so cheap like it’s a f2p mobile game. Might be the overall presentation but I just couldn’t get into it.
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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 11:13    Post subject:
It's growing on me, definitely better than Diablo IV but not as good as the majors like Grim Dawn or PoE. I think mostly to not interesting items so far.


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 15:18    Post subject:


May the NFOrce be with you always.
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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 15:38    Post subject:
Guess they will need some time to upgrade fine/tune their servers. Its just unplayable online right now.


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Feb 2024 15:48    Post subject:
The netcode has been mess since online was released. They don't seem capable of fixing it.
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