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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2024 01:37    Post subject:
9/10 times it's merely pointless busywork to give a gambling addiction sense of accomplishment to the player. They either give you no choice, or respec free/easy, or with D3 here just have all skills.

And why make these things complicated, necessitating serious game balancing when your audience ^^^ just want a casual game with AtMoSPHerE and don't care if the gameplay is dog shit.
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2024 01:40    Post subject:
But even the most "hardcore" "role playing games" are structured this way. Character always starts a low-skill pleb and you "advance" as the games goes on. You whisper ten times and your speech skills magically goes " *poof* you can now lie more convincingly!".

Oh, and don't forget, the staple of "classing" "arr pee gees", turn based let everyone stand, while each character pops up, takes a swing of dice roll, then goes back to where it was. That is surely role playing. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2024 01:47    Post subject:
This thread went to shit and out of topic very quick.


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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2024 01:55    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
This thread went to shit and out of topic very quick.

LeoNatan wrote:
they get very emotional, very quick when something is not exactly as they envision what "role playing" is

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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2024 01:57    Post subject:
I shit all over this game as much as next person but at least I keep to D4 shit.

Instead of old man rant about ARPG in general Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Feb 2024 08:49    Post subject:
I played Non season and 1+2 extensively but 3 is so much of a chore. I had hopes after 2 that it would get even better only to have this mess at hand.

So far im done with the game, the grind is abyssmal especially the new patch is a joke. You can now craft your Uber Unique when you salvage 5 other Uber Uniques which are dupes.
5 Dupes or whatever ? ARE YOU SERIOUS !

In S2 i grinded Duriel and did 1200 Runs and my droprate was like 5 Runs for Shako and another 300 for the next Uber and got Andariel or whatever other i didnt needed. All i wanted was Grandfather and ofcourse that was the last i got.

In the end i had 3 Shakos, 2 Andariels, 2 Doombringer, 2 Melted Heart, 2 Skyless Rings, 1 Avaron Staff and last the Grandfather. I could use each of them since i had 3x 100 Chars but i do this never again.
I farmed the Mats at the beginning myself but stopped shortly after when the duped mats could be bought and was then just running Duriel for around 2 Weeks, Gold has no value.

The best part is, when i finally got Granddaddy and the Abbatoir of Zir came out i ran this but stopped aswell since the Glyph leveling was awful, i got to lvl20 i think out of 200. The Content was great but way to repeditive and way to grindy which made me stop playing.

Im to old to waste my time anymore for this kind of Live Service Bullshit.

This Season i made 1x 100 and lost interest half way through, just finished it because my stupid ass bought the fucking Season Pass which i didnt wanted to waste.

Oh, and they also increased now the Uber drop chance outside of Duriel, before some people did the math and you had to get around 300 Uniques for the chance of getting one Uber to drop and now its increased but they didnt say by how much.

Wanna know how much Uniques i dropped this season ... 10 as of now. Fuck the Gamedevs and fuck this game, its lame as hell.

Oh and dont get me started on the Uber Malphas mats and the new pet...

Before the Game they stated also that every Item in the Shop wont be a Fomothing, guess what changed. They are now timed exclusives.

Blizz is beyond repair, the new CEO is the Ex Lead of the CoD Multiplayer department. Also with all the Layoffs now also in place the content will go downhill even further.

But i knew what i was getting into it, i knew what Blizzard had became and actually bought my first ever Blizz game because my RL mates played all the Diablo games that existed before.
Silly me, i know.


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PostPosted: Sun, 11th Feb 2024 09:41    Post subject:
blackeyedboy wrote:
I don't see the campaign being on any list... Anyone having expectations regarding stellar story-writing from some AAA+ corporation in 2024 is... almost delusional.


Yet you keep mentioning this campaign as if it's something special.
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PostPosted: Sun, 11th Feb 2024 10:27    Post subject:
Maybe it's me, expecting stellar story-writing in a hack and slash 80% of people spam: next -> next ->accept quest to kill things.
Is a bit high expectations.

None of the diablos had a good story, I feel like anyone that thinks the ones before it had one has nostalgia glasses on. It barely passes as a boilerplate fantasy adventure plot for a mediocre rpg module.

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For diablo 1, it was just a copy of a forgettable D&D module, changed enough not to rile up TSR.


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PostPosted: Sun, 11th Feb 2024 11:44    Post subject:
I thought diablo 1 had by far the best material, D2 was pretty good too. I think everything from Blizzard since Warcraft3 has been pretty awful.

Diablo 1 had poems are other odds and ends that added to the game. I liked the shrine flavour text, halls of the blind, the archbishop lazarus quest, Cain told a lot of the backstory of the game. There wasn't a ton of story, it was fully voiced which wasn't really a thing in those days. Just enough to wait the 10 or so seconds to hear it out.
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PostPosted: Sun, 11th Feb 2024 14:08    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
blackeyedboy wrote:
I don't see the campaign being on any list... Anyone having expectations regarding stellar story-writing from some AAA+ corporation in 2024 is... almost delusional.


Yet you keep mentioning this campaign as if it's something special.


I understand that it wasn't clear: I play the campaign because it takes me on a journey around the world, not because I am fond of the story, characters or script.

The campaign starts promising with Nevesk, but everything else after is your typical Blizztard accessible, dumbed-down, casual predictable filler.

In short, the campaign is just a mean to take you around the world and unlock stuff.


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PostPosted: Sun, 11th Feb 2024 16:09    Post subject:
finished it yesterday after bumming the account from a buddy

well ... i dunno, guess it was "okay"?

played as Necro. gameplay loop was fun enough for one playthrough. story was "whatever"


but that cutscene close to the end w inarius and lilith , holy shit that was awesome.

anyway. instantly uninstalled, glad i didn't pay for this
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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Feb 2024 17:07    Post subject:
€29.99 for new colour on Town Portal! lol! What a bargin!


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Feb 2024 21:20    Post subject:
Releasing on Game Pass March 28th.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/15/24073290/diablo-4-game-pass-xbox-pc-activision-blizzard

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Diablo IV will be the first Activision Blizzard game coming to Xbox Game Pass, launching on the service on March 28th.


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Feb 2024 21:23    Post subject:
desperate for more players
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Feb 2024 21:44    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
desperate for more players


The more people experience the shit loot the better.


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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2024 11:50    Post subject:
The timing is interesting for the Gamepass release since it is a few weeks before the end of this current Season so it seems like they are trying to get people to pay for the Accelerated Battlepass hoping they can finish it in time. When they released it on Steam they at least timed it with the start of the new season.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2024 16:44    Post subject:
Imagine being a Game Pass subscriber and having just bought the game before the announcement yesterday Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2024 17:13    Post subject:
If you still bought Diablo 4 at this point, then you kind of deserve it.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2024 18:18    Post subject:
Haha I bought it on PS5 on launch day Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2024 19:47    Post subject:
just having finished D4 i must say Last Epoch looks (a lot) more interesting

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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2024 20:27    Post subject:
God Last Epoch was so shit last time I played it.


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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 02:17    Post subject:
How might have fallen since D3 days...


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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 10:47    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/ancient-hydra-new-diablo-4-sorcerer-cosmetics-337759
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/jade-scorpion-new-diablo-4-rogue-cosmetics-337758
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/a-rose-for-the-king-new-diablo-4-necromancer-cosmetics-337757


Blizzard faster at pumping out shitty costumes than fixing important games aspects


I don't think its the same people making the cosmetic thats fixing the bugs though Razz (or rather not fixing the bugs in this case)


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 11:39    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
God Last Epoch was so shit last time I played it.


POE was also pretty shit in beta but now it's one of the best ARPGs.
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 15:27    Post subject:
tet666 wrote:
Przepraszam wrote:
God Last Epoch was so shit last time I played it.


POE was also pretty shit in beta but now it's one of the best ARPGs.


I will have to give it a try. Graphics and endgame content was really rough but that was at least. According to Steam it was back in 2021 when I got max level and just couldn't get into end content or may be there wasnt any,


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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 15:29    Post subject:
Ankh wrote:
Przepraszam wrote:
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/ancient-hydra-new-diablo-4-sorcerer-cosmetics-337759
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/jade-scorpion-new-diablo-4-rogue-cosmetics-337758
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/a-rose-for-the-king-new-diablo-4-necromancer-cosmetics-337757


Blizzard faster at pumping out shitty costumes than fixing important games aspects


I don't think its the same people making the cosmetic thats fixing the bugs though Razz (or rather not fixing the bugs in this case)


I really hate when people make this analogy of "ohh its different developers who focus on gameplay vs pumping out cosmetics"

At the end of the day it's still same company.


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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 16:50    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
Ankh wrote:
Przepraszam wrote:
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/ancient-hydra-new-diablo-4-sorcerer-cosmetics-337759
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/jade-scorpion-new-diablo-4-rogue-cosmetics-337758
https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/a-rose-for-the-king-new-diablo-4-necromancer-cosmetics-337757


Blizzard faster at pumping out shitty costumes than fixing important games aspects


I don't think its the same people making the cosmetic thats fixing the bugs though Razz (or rather not fixing the bugs in this case)


I really hate when people make this analogy of "ohh its different developers who focus on gameplay vs pumping out cosmetics"

At the end of the day it's still same company.


If you have ever visited any of the big game developers you would see that they most often dont even share the same space. I know atleast that on Massive Entertainment the graphic artists are seperated from the rest (just like the sound artists) - that could ofcourse have changed, but the time i spent there was like that.

Sure its the same company, but what do you expect the rest should do while the programmers sort the bugs? Sit around and drink coffee?

Edit: So even if its frustrating (which I do agree totally on) that bugs still stay while shit is pumped out...it is what it is.


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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 17:16    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
9/10 times it's merely pointless busywork to give a gambling addiction sense of accomplishment to the player. They either give you no choice, or respec free/easy, or with D3 here just have all skills.

And why make these things complicated, necessitating serious game balancing when your audience ^^^ just want a casual game with AtMoSPHerE and don't care if the gameplay is dog shit.


You've described basically every ARPG made since Grim Dawn. This genre is basically dead, they're all one step away from F2P garbage.
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Feb 2024 19:50    Post subject:
Ankh wrote:

Sure its the same company, but what do you expect the rest should do while the programmers sort the bugs? Sit around and drink coffee?


How about instead of spending so much time and resources to create cosmetics that almost match the price of an already overpriced game, they spend that time to create enemy models, boss models, etc. You know, stuff that influences the content of a game that's lacking proper content?
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