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Karmeck
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 Posted: Fri, 24th Sep 2021 21:23 Post subject: |
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I bet soon with some AI EQ´s with good processing power, you can make even wallmart speakers/headphones sound good.
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DXWarlock
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Sep 2021 22:00 Post subject: |
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Yes but like my last post you need 2x the power for each 3db boost the EQ is adding.
So battery will last 1/2 as long, amp working 2x as hard, and start to clip/distort at 1/2 perceived volume as amp maxed out at wattage into a speaker 3db sensitivity lower.
Why a 87db sensitivity speaker is 1/2 as loud (perceived) than a 90db one. Then add in a speakers SPL and responsiveness and its a tangled mess of inefficiency.
So digital correction to image and audio vs physical objects compensation that are affected by physics is WILDLY different.
Let’s say you are looking at three different speakers. In the specifications, under speaker sensitivity, for each speaker it states:
Speaker A: 84dB (1w/1m) Speaker B: 87dB (1w/1m) Speaker C: 90dB (1w/1m)
Speaker B will be 3dB louder than speaker A. This may not may seem much, but when you realize that 3dB is the same as doubling the amplifier power, it can be significant.
If you want to connect Speaker A and Speaker C to the same amplifier, then Speaker C will be 6dB louder than Speaker A.
Nothing can make speaker A sound as good as speaker C on the same amp above 1/2 volume. No AI can trick/bypass physics and electrical principles.
So you CAN but its not "all gain no cons". Its more "give up more than you gain".
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Nui
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Sep 2021 00:05 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | Genelec DSP is mostly used for room correction. |
But they surely also use it as the crossover an probably EQ, no?
| DXWarlock wrote: | OH ok misunderstood what you mean, thats on me  |
all good 
| DXWarlock wrote: | | I myself prefer flat response and to tweak EQ to what I need. |
Me too. Though most of my EQ is isolated to the modal range, so "bass", because that has to be done in room. For the rest, you usually require a competent speaker to begin with and I just bought some 
| DXWarlock wrote: | | I never seen any that needed pre-tweaking to sound good, that sounded good across all types of sounds vs good drivers that sound good across the same. Since when they EQ tweak it, its for a subjective 'type' of ballpark music/sound/whatever. |
I happen to have some dsp controlled active speakers here, that all aim for neutral, and I would be surprised if they did not use their dsp improve their frequency response
| DXWarlock wrote: | | Not to mention the exponentially more powerful amplifier you need. Say you add 20db EQ to bass (extreme but just for sake of big example): |
Of course I would exclude that from sensible. The base performance must be adequate for EQ to work properly.
@ Breezer_
For subwoofers there already exist solutions that are even more direct than "AI" stuff, the servo subwoofers, like the Rythmik Audio ones. These literally measure the movement of the cone, calculate the differnce to what they should have moved and add that to the signal to be amplified, so you end up with a totally self-correcting driver. Unfortunately these seem fairly expensive and I found no evidence, that any reduction in distortion is necessary. 
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Nui
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Nov 2023 19:12 Post subject: |
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looking for wireless headphones which can be used on the PC and also on the PS5.
if i move to a new flat i can't use my speakers anymore at night, so i want something which i can use then. headphones with cables give me the feeling to be chained to the desk and in no case i want that, that is one of the reasons i never used my old hyper x cloud headphones, which also did sound like shit.
on the PC i will mostly use them for videos and music. im no audiophile but i don't want hollow/flat sound and a lot of bass. i really don't care about 3d gaming sound and whatever there is, good audio in songs is the most important part for me.
bluetooth on PC is no option as far as i can tell because of latency, otherwise i would have used sony xm4 i think. also i don't care about mic, as long as i can detach it or flip it up im fine with it.
mostly the software seem to be a deal breaker. so you have to set it up on the pc with software and then you use it on the PS5 and it will sound like shit since EQ and so on are not saved on the headphones but on the PC. so is there even something with onboard memory?
250 euro max.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 13:06 Post subject: |
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Corsair HS80 wireless has been very good gaming headset, very good quality mic aswell, sound quality is ok, like all gaming headsets, can be improved with Dolby app greatly, not sure if the presets are better on corsair software now tho, I refuse to use iCue. I have used them for like year now, first gaming headset I actually decided to keep, so that is something.
If you want very good sound quality, also can be used as wireless, check this deal out.
https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/deva-pro.html
Last edited by Breezer_ on Tue, 21st Nov 2023 13:10; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 13:09 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | Corsair HS80 wireless has been very good gaming headset, very good quality mic aswell, sound quality is ok, like all gaming headsets, can be improved with Dolby app greatly, not sure if the presets are better on corsair software now tho, I refuse to use iCue.
If you want very good sound quality, also can be used as wireless, check this deal out.
https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/deva-pro.html |
ah one day too late, still thank you.
ordered the steelseries arctis pro wireless yesterday. sound should be ok, no software needed and i can use it on the PC and PS5. also removable batteries. i just hope they are fine, otherwise i will check yours out. thank you
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 16:52 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 17:04 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 20:26 Post subject: |
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I bought a pair of Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless last month, they're great. It switches between the Deck, PC and Android tablet without me having to do anything (once one device is off, it picks up whichever is being used)
Before that it was Hyper X cloud, which I'd been using for years, but I got sick of needing a USB dongle
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 21:27 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | I bought a pair of Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless last month, they're great. It switches between the Deck, PC and Android tablet without me having to do anything (once one device is off, it picks up whichever is being used)
Before that it was Hyper X cloud, which I'd been using for years, but I got sick of needing a USB dongle |
they also look great, thanks for the tip but after seeing the sony xm4 and people reporting latency issues on the PC with bluetooth i thought it wouldn't be a good idea to use them on a PC so i didn't even kept on looking for pure bluetooth headphones.
i just got some weird chinese bluetooth dongle and tried it once with my wireless buds and the latency was also really bad.
well lets see when the arctis nova pro arrive, if the sound is good enough. if not im open for everything with good sound and connectivity. so i will check them out then, im pretty sure you wouldn't use it if it would have latency issues.
thank you all for the tips (also for the profile picture tip )
/edit it came today, gonna keep it for sure, didn't expected that kind of sound. thank god, i thought i will have to return it. it has some small flaws but overall i can live with it, especially with the two removable batteries, that i never have to use a cable and that i don't need to use software at all.
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