I mean I'm just asking for impartiality and you're making it out to be like I'm some sort of basement dwelling goblin looking to jack off to Rockstar validating my beliefs. Looks to me like you're just after some argument to prove some pre-concieved point about me.
I didn't imply that, I didn't even use the word 'you' in my statements anywhere. (other than the first one I replied to you with)
I have not one preconceived point about you. To be honest I barely recognize your nick/name, much less have any formed opinions about you.
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I mean I'm just asking for impartiality and you're making it out to be like I'm some sort of basement dwelling goblin looking to jack off to Rockstar validating my beliefs. Looks to me like you're just after some argument to prove some pre-concieved point about me.
I didn't imply that, I didn't even use the word 'you' in my statements anywhere. (other than the first one I replied to you with)
I have not one preconceived point about you. To be honest I barely recognize your nick/name, much less have any formed opinions about you.
Let me rephrase it then. You saw what I wrote, made up your mind about what my views are and approached the whole conversation from that angle.
Oh yea..then yea.
But I meant it as an overall comment on people, from either side of anything..Not just your side of your thing.
I think anyone concerned with what they make fun of is balanced is worrying about: Making sure if they make fun of stuff I like belittling me, they better make fun of what I don't. Or I will think its biased and scared to talk about 'it'. [insert it being whatever you dont like..doesnt matter what]
It's just a game. Shit let them make it specifically about making fun of ONLY things I like and ignore anything I dislike/find stupid. Even funnier to me. If you cannot laugh at yourself first...
They will do what they do in every GTA: Make fun of that that is harmless to make fun of about society. Anything that the majority of people can find humor in when made absurd that doesn't offend anyone really as it is a caricature of a thing most people agree with is outlandish. And anyone that does find offense in it is marking themselves as the absurd caricature (the sublime of that type of humor). Don't expect more than that.
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I'm not going to make a graph displaying the amount of right or left jokes and get angry that x or y is too much or not enough.
I hate censorship in writing, I think it inhibits creativity and ruins stories. I think pc dialogue comes off as stilted and unnatural.
I just want people to stop censoring themselves because of a few nutters on twitter. The reason I sound more against the left then the right is cause it is the mainstream and is what is being pushed by big companies and goverments. Imagine people thinking they're rebelling when the goverment is on their side....
Don't confuse censorship with choice.
Just because someone can make fun of something, doesn't mean they want to, or have to.
They could just be different of opinion of you. Making fun of what you don't (or not of what you do) could be down to just pure choice, and not 'being silenced/scared to'
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How do you know it is choice and not self-censorship? Why would you risk it when there are big companies that push and enforce certain views? Why would you risk it when you'd get crucified on twitter and people would try to cancel you?
There could be different opinions from me sure, but you're making the same assumption you're accusing me of.
And to give you an actual answer. I think that if they are just actively choosing to push an agenda, but make it actually funny and written well then I won't care. But it has never been the case, because extremists like that are rarely capable of creating good writing. How can you create a good nuanced character if you believe a certain type of person can't have flaws or be criticized? If you're women can't show weakness or fail to have something to stand back up from, or a disabled person can't be evil cause it is "problematic" I think that hurts the actual writing.
See, my problem with seeing political messaging in games and media is that it is indicative of bad writing. If it was good, then I could get over the preaching.
Now, this is all just gone way out in the land of fairytails, cause there is nothing political or indicating anything political in that trailer, this is all just an argument of a hypothetical for a game that won't be out for at least 1 more year and probably 2-3 for pc.
Rockstar's writing have made it pretty clear where their sympathies lie thus far, to each his own of course.. They've been fairly political in their writing and characters long before GTA6, as their games are naturally set within realistic environments and settings. Nothing new to see here !
We can infer what their intentions might be or not, but it's a moot point to me, very similar to applying an objective, an underlying desire to this or that author.. it's just a subjective suggestion/interpretation for the sake of analysis, but we can't know for sure unless we hear it from the horse's mouth, can we.
Meh.. I just wish it wasn't set during our modern times. Social media just suck in general, even if I end up blowing up influencers left and right in a parody fantasy.. I just wish it wasn't there to begin with.
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Not making any assumptions. I myself dont care if they do or dont make fun of anything. Nor am I upset if they do or don't enough.
let them make 400 LGBTQBBQ characters that are unflawed and perfect human beings, or 400 white guys and 'white people be like' offensive jokes.
It's a game. I dont care myself. I am in it for the game mechanics and fun with friends. Their agenda/message or lack of in a world where I bang hookers then run over them to get my money back while shooting other people with flying rocket motorcycles, isn't really poignant to me
I feel people expect too much social commentary out of silly premise games if you ask me: I want my social commentary to be fair and balanced in a game where I can run over pedestrians in a monster truck while shooting at the cops with a grenade launcher, all while wearing a monkey mask and borat bright green thong...
I'm with Zor, I think rockstar fucked up doing it to start with, should never have, or at least not made it so forefront. Now people have expectations of targets they do it to (or expectations of 'unbiased bias' of fairness when they do it).
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I do want to get my hands in this wonderful sandbox though, upping it up an notch over RDR2 is going to be a treat !
The SP storyline should be better than GTA5, I prefer a well-focused Bonnie & Clyde story even if it's a bit cliché to what we got in GTA5 - it was fine and serviceable, but not much more than that.
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Wut, hot chicks? Dx must hate this. Aint git no room for that in my vidyagames
What? When did I ever complain or care about that? Fuck I got VaM and use it in VR...not sure what you are on about
@TheZor
Yea I'd prefer a more 'humanized' one. I didn't do ANY of the singleplayer in GTA5 despite have 1000 hour in it. But my friends did, and watched them play it in voice chat with streams. The story /characters was a bit too..holywoodish? Movie main character type? Not sure how to convey they vibe I mean. It didnt grab me so had no urge to do the SP parts.
Granted I am not a 'story' game person. But GTA4 I REALLY liked, I actually played the whole campaign of that, and got into it. 5 seemed too, over the top, for me to feel anything for the characters when watching someone play it.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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They went for a full-blown parody in GTA5, each character was basically a movie character archetype on his own (but it should have been one genre at a type.. they didn't blend together all that well at all) like you're writing, and in the end I really had issue in relating/caring about any of them at all.. they were all shitty-gray morals kind of humans.. while RDR2 was very, very strong on that part.
I don't expect it to be the same kind of rather serious story all the way, you're running away from army tanks and die over and over again all the time after all, but some grit does make GTA games more compelling. The franchise was kinda supposed to be all about that before, how serious and "real" it was when it dealt with crime compared to more cartoonish/PG-friendly stuff.
Imo, they just completely missed their target after GTA4 got frequently called out as not fun/too serious for its own good (just like you, I personally loved it.. but I get that kids, for instance, just won't nor can't get it) after the very "relatable" and easily lovable games that GTA3/VC/SA all were. GTA4 was more difficult to apprehend and arguably appeals to less people overall !
I hope you're right and that these characters will feel more relatable and grounded in reality, rather than a not-so-witty pastiche of sitcom and action movies - it ended up being so in your face a lot of jokes and serious moments landed flat.
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But everyone wanted every car to be fast (and flippable in case you crashed), so that entire aspect became more arcade'ish
Actually me and some friends gave up playing GTA4 after few hours exactly because the driving was terrible. The handling was like a boat - shaking left to right and brakes barely worked. And don't remember there being any difference between cheap and expensive cars, all was shit to drive. Are there upgrades that make driving somewhat realistic?
I agree the GTA V's single player cars have been underwhelming. At least in Online there's many variations and all are very different. You can't just drive a race car on dirt - they slow down, lose control and slip. And some cars are better for curved roars, others - on straight ones. Then drag cars vs drift etc. Driving in Online is very cool, imo. Too bad R* never made SP expansions for GTA V or could've added stuff from online.
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Social media just suck in general, even if I end up blowing up influencers left and right in a parody fantasy.. I just wish it wasn't there to begin with.
