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| Il_Padrino wrote: |
We all saw this coming. An unmoderated free speech social media platform becomes a(n even bigger) cesspool.
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Yea, I said it back when he said 100% free speech on it. He paid billions to basically start making a second 4chan. 4chan exists, how did he not have an idea of what making an online 'everyone is behind the safety of a screen a keyboard' mixed with you can say whatever you want would create?
To me anyway, it seems painfully obvious what trying to combine:
-I will make a site where anyone online can say whatever they want consequence free.
-We will make our money by advertisements placed next to those comments.
Would turn into. Advertisers not wanting to risk their ad image is 'endorsing' some sort of idiotic comment and people posting the most outrageous thoughts because the internet is where people want to shout, the things they won't dare say even in a normal voice in real life.
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Dromaium
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| DXWarlock wrote: | | Il_Padrino wrote: |
We all saw this coming. An unmoderated free speech social media platform becomes a(n even bigger) cesspool.
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how did he not have an idea of what making an online 'everyone is behind the safety of a screen a keyboard' mixed with you can say whatever you want would create?
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This statement makes it look like if this was something negative.
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| Dromaium wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: | | Il_Padrino wrote: |
We all saw this coming. An unmoderated free speech social media platform becomes a(n even bigger) cesspool.
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how did he not have an idea of what making an online 'everyone is behind the safety of a screen a keyboard' mixed with you can say whatever you want would create?
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Isn't it? Because it seems that if you can't be man enough to shout your inner thoughts on rooftops, you're a pussy.
Don't get me wrong, I get the idea. But there's a nuance to it.
For example, anything I say on here I do say "in real life" too. I'm just more diplomatic about it.
Sure, it's more coarse on let's say this forum, but one doesn't systematically preclude the other, and thinking so is as limited, intellectually, as some of the crap I sometimes spout.
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Dromaium
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2023 20:36 Post subject: |
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| HubU wrote: | | Dromaium wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: |
how did he not have an idea of what making an online 'everyone is behind the safety of a screen a keyboard' mixed with you can say whatever you want would create?
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This statement makes it look like if this was something negative. |
Isn't it? Because it seems that if you can't be man enough to shout your inner thoughts on rooftops, you're a pussy.
Don't get me wrong, I get the idea. But there's a nuance to it.
For example, anything I say on here I do say "in real life" too. I'm just more diplomatic about it.
Sure, it's more coarse on let's say this forum, but one doesn't systematically preclude the other, and thinking so is as limited, intellectually, as some of the crap I sometimes spout. |
If you are more diplomatic about it you are already censoring yourself.
People like political correctness, because the aesthethic of body language and words is a nice thing to witness, but it is always a fake posture of people's inner thoughts.
I don't know if you were in this forum before I got banned, but I was mainly banned because I was "incovenient"
But one thing I will tell you, I had the same approach in all aspects of my life. Back then I still worked a regular job and I had a myriad of problems because I always was the first one to point how my boss was wrong.
In family occasions, I always was the first to point the hipocrisies of people.
I was arrested due to driving without a seatbelt because the officer would "make me the favour" of letting me go with a warning, and I told him, well if I've done something that doesn't risk anyone but me, you're nothing but a prentious prick clinging to your sense of moral authority.
The issue here is that most people are afraid of the consequences of saying everything they think about.
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Twitter has become in some aspects a bigger cesspool indeed. One reason is that since the idiots were deplatformed everywhere else they all congregate on a single platform now.
If Twitter's strategy worked and other platforms would become less censorious, we'd see them spread out more evenly.
Also there is still moderation, free speech does not mean completely unbridled speech - doxxing, most blatant hate, direct personal attacks, call for violence and genocide etc. is all illegal and accounts are still being suspended for that.
These christian nationalist types in my feed make my blood boil but as long as they just formulate their idiotic opinions it is fine by me, this falls under free speech and I can live with that.
Muting and blocking is one way, it sucks to resort to that and the stable genius Musk wants to get rid of the Block feature...I don't think he'll go through with it though.
But it all makes me think of Call Of Duty.
The Call Of Duty analogy is perfect.
Call Of Duty is soon on track to becoming the orwellian nightmare the anti hate orgs and so many snowflake users are wishing for:
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Call of Duty's new voice chat moderation system will employ AI-powered technology from Modulate to identify and enforce against toxic speech in real-time, with flagged language including hate speech, discrimination, and harassment. (for now) |
https://www.eurogamer.net/call-of-duty-getting-global-real-time-voice-chat-moderation-with-modern-warfare-3-november
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/30/23852652/call-of-duty-activision-modulate-toxmod-artificial-intelligence-voice-moderation
THIS is where our entire virtual existence will potentially end up if the politically correct got their way, this is the alternative.
Call Of Duty voice chat is legendary for being a cesspool of psychopathic pre-teens, I don't play online but I can only imagine how bad it could get.
Now we're on track to get the brave new version - Safe, non-toxic, sanitized!
Both scenarios suck, but c'mon you know which alternative is potentially the worse of the two. I'd rather mute idiots constantly than having the damocles sword of perpetual surveillance and potential bans for wrong think hang over me. Constant self-censoring out of fear. The tables turned: You won't dare say in the internet what you say in a normal voice in real life.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2023 21:25 Post subject: |
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| Dromaium wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: | | Il_Padrino wrote: |
We all saw this coming. An unmoderated free speech social media platform becomes a(n even bigger) cesspool.
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how did he not have an idea of what making an online 'everyone is behind the safety of a screen a keyboard' mixed with you can say whatever you want would create?
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No sorry I didn't mean it that way, I'm not against it, just we know what it will turn into when anyone online on a whim can send the entire world any thought they have. Me pointing out what that becomes, doesn't mean I am saying its a 'bad' thing. Just that it WILL be that thing.
But also I meant is a conflict of goals in context of my whole post.
He wants to make a totally free speech platform. Awesome go for it. But he also wants advertisers and such to pay to put their product on those posts to make it a commercial business that turns profit for shareholder and partnered companies? Well "cake and eat it too" comes to mind.
These are two non symbiotic goals. Without any gatekeeping on what can be said (right or wrong in purpose of that), many advertisers will shy away from wanting to put ads on the content. As who KNOWS what random dice roll of post + ad will be mixed.
Selling Laundry detergent? to realize your ad was on a hate post of prompting genocide...well this might be awkward. You just spent money to have people see a post of "We need to purge and clean up the middle east of the ape like caveman scum" and your logo "Soapy - Gets rid of dirt and filthy grime fast!"
Or Nike realizes their "JUST DO IT!" is right next to that post...hm PR dept is going to go apeshit.
Or whatever ad. Just a silly example of purpose.
EITHER:
Make a totally free speech platform, OR try to make it worth billions so companies will want ads on it associating them with it.
But you can/won't be able to do both.
I'm not against either, hell or both at the same time. If you can find a way to exploit people's urge for shouting their overly self decided important delusional thought diarrhea at the masses unfiltered, AND capitalistic greed to profit off of it into the billions. You do you. Just know what to expect by creating that monster.
But its not a thing that can happen. If you let everyone say everything, hardly any major company will want to risk putting their product pitches next to what can be 'anything' said.
Is he wanting to make a free speech platform? or a profit driven business..Pick one.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2023 21:44 Post subject: |
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The people pushing for complete lack of filters clearly have no experience of being on the other end of it given where the history pendulum is in this moment. So for them this is just lame grown ups going totalitarian on some kids having fun. In short, they have a lot of growing up to do.
I would not expect a born rich billionaire white guy to have the wisdom or foresight in these matters. "It's just words bro, It didn't even say anything wrong just I want all jews, blacks etc genocided. WHY WONT YOU PAY ME TO PUT YOUR PRODUCT NEXT TO IT YOU DICTATOR?"
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| FireMaster wrote: | The people pushing for complete lack of filters clearly have no experience of being on the other end of it given where the history pendulum is in this moment. So for them this is just lame grown ups going totalitarian on some kids having fun. In short, they have a lot of growing up to do.
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Exactly, in my point of view too.
What it feels like, is they are kicking and screaming on the floor:
Oh how I have yearned to let every person on the planet know my opinions and concepts the instant I have them, and now I can! (Which seems to be the more common than average marta of people with strong negative/derogatory opinions on things)
Then react with: ...wait what?! I can't just say anything that pops in my head to the entire world at once with very little effort on my part to do so? Then what is the point of this site if not for "SMS group chat all humans with a text message of my bigoted thought of the day"?!? I don't get it, you made a thing that I can use to get my 'IR IMPORTANT" thoughts out with, and your telling me I can't say what 'other people' call dumb shit?
| Il_Padrino wrote: | It might be better if they remove all anonymity, and everyone's full name is shown with every post, but that'll destroy the platform completely, I think  |
I am ALL For free speech. BUT the rest of that sentence is: Free speech does not mean free from appropriate consequences of said speech. (within moral and just consequences).
And sites like twitter where you can be anon, removes the caveat that makes you responsible for your free speech usage. It removed the burden of needing to be held accountable for what you say if what you said needs accountability. Which I myself think is required and inherent to the right everyone has to it.
Also as a reply to both above (and in general) I also hold that every person has a right to say anything they wish. But that in no way obligates anyone else to repeat, say, relay, or spread your speech. Too many people equivalate that "Me having a right to say it" means "You have a duty as the place I said it, to help me make sure everyone sees it".
Nope, your right to say it stops at the edge of your lips. No one is duty bound in any capacity to help you say it more, or louder. The fact you can send it to a server, that spreads it around the world for you for free..is a privilege, not a human right. The human right is you can say it anytime anywhere to anyone by your own means.
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https://ghostarchive.org/archive/iQUO7?wr=false
| Quote: | At various moments in “Elon Musk,” Walter Isaacson’s new biography of the world’s richest person, the author tries to make sense of the billionaire entrepreneur he has shadowed for two years — sitting in on meetings, getting a peek at emails and texts, engaging in “scores of interviews and late-night conversations.” Musk is a mercurial “man-child,” Isaacson writes, who was bullied relentlessly as a kid in South Africa until he grew big enough to beat up his bullies. Musk talks about having Asperger’s, which makes him “bad at picking up social cues.” As the people closest to him will attest, he lacks empathy — something that Isaacson describes as a “gene” that’s “hard-wired.”
Yet even as Musk struggles to relate to the actual humans around him, his plans for humanity are grand. “A fully reusable rocket is the difference between being a single-planet civilization and being a multiplanet one”: Musk would “maniacally” repeat this message to his staff at SpaceX, his spacecraft and satellite company, where every decision is motivated by his determination to get earthlings to Mars. He pushes employees at his companies — he now runs six, including X, the platform formerly known as Twitter — to slash costs and meet brutal deadlines because he needs to pour resources into the moonshot of colonizing space “before civilization crumbles.” Disaster could come from climate change, from declining birthrates, from artificial intelligence. Isaacson describes Musk stalking the factory floor of Tesla, his electric car company, issuing orders on the fly. “If I don’t make decisions,” Musk explained, “we die.”
By “we,” Musk presumably meant Tesla in that instance. But Musk likes to speak of his business interests in superhero terms, so it’s sometimes hard to be sure. Isaacson, whose previous biographical subjects include Leonardo da Vinci and Steve Jobs, is a patient chronicler of obsession; in the case of Musk, he can occasionally seem too patient — a hazard for any biographer who is given extraordinary access. At one point, Isaacson asks why Musk is so offended by anything he deems politically correct, and Musk, as usual, has to dial it up to 11. “Unless the woke-mind virus, which is fundamentally anti-science, anti-merit and anti-human in general, is stopped,” he declares, “civilization will never become multiplanetary.” There are a number of curious assertions in that sentence, but it would have been nice if Isaacson had pushed him to answer a basic question: What on earth does any of it even mean?
Isaacson has ably conveyed that Musk doesn’t truly like pushback. Some of his lieutenants insist that he will eventually listen to reason, but Isaacson sees firsthand Musk’s habit of deriding as a saboteur or an idiot anyone who resists him. The musician Grimes, the mother of three of Musk’s children (the existence of the third, Techno Mechanicus, nicknamed Tau, has been kept private until now), calls his roiling anger “demon mode” — a mind-set that “causes a lot of chaos.” She also insists that it allows him to get stuff done.
It’s a convenient assessment, one that Isaacson seems mostly to accept. “As Shakespeare teaches us,” he writes, “all heroes have flaws, some tragic, some conquered, and those we cast as villains can be complex.” Well, yes — but couldn’t this describe anyone? What is there to say specifically about Musk himself?
For that we can turn to Isaacson’s reporting, of which there is plenty. (Another thoroughly reported biography, by Ashlee Vance, was published in 2015 — four years before SpaceX started launching Starlink satellites and seven years before Musk acquired Twitter.) Isaacson even managed to get Errol, Elon’s intermittently estranged father, to talk — though mostly what Errol offers are rambling bigoted comments (while insisting he isn’t racist) and self-aggrandizing tales (at least one of which turns out to be “provably false”).
Errol has two children with his stepdaughter. As for Elon, he has 10 children with three women, one of whom — Shivon Zilis, who bore his twins in 2021 — is an executive at one of his companies. (Another child, Musk’s first, born in 2002, died from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome when he was 10 weeks old.)
“He really wants smart people to have kids,” Zilis said of Musk, who offered to be her sperm donor so that, Isaacson adds, “the kids would be genetically his.” At the time, Grimes and Musk were expecting their second child, a girl. Musk didn’t tell Grimes that he had just had twins with one of his employees.
But the details of such domestic intrigues are, in the book and in Musk’s life, largely beside the point. He is mostly preoccupied with his businesses, where he expects his staff to abide by “the algorithm,” his workplace creed, which commands them to “question every requirement” from a department, including “the legal department” and “the safety department”; and to “delete any part or process” they can. “Comradery is dangerous,” is one of the corollaries. So is this: “The only rules are the ones dictated by the laws of physics. Everything else is a recommendation.”
Still, Musk has accrued enough power to dictate his own rules. In one of the book’s biggest scoops, Isaacson describes Musk secretly instructing his engineers to “turn off” Starlink satellite internet coverage to prevent Ukraine from launching a surprise drone attack on Russian forces in Crimea. (Isaacson has since posted on X that contrary to what he writes in the book, Musk didn’t shut down coverage but denied a request to extend the network’s range.) Musk decided that he was saving humanity from a nuclear war. When Ukraine’s vice prime minister texted him to say that Starlink service was “a matter of life and death,” Musk instructed him to “seek peace while you have the upper hand.”
Counseling the Ukrainians to “seek peace” sounds especially rich coming from someone who is “energized,” Isaacson says, by “dire threats.” But then the overall sense you get from this biography is that for all of Musk’s talk about the world-changing magic of “the algorithm,” he ultimately does what he wants. He will order his companies to scrimp fanatically on some things while insisting that they spend lavishly on others. At Tesla, Musk’s obsession with the minutiae of automotive design inflated costs and drained the company of cash. At SpaceX, instead of spending $1,500 for the kind of latch used by NASA, an engineer figured out how to modify a $30 latch intended for a bathroom stall. When Musk acquired Twitter last year, he eliminated 75 percent of the staff.
Since Musk’s acquisition, hate speech on the platform has proliferated while ad sales have plunged. Reading this book, one begins to wonder if the old bird-site will be Musk’s Waterloo. “He thought of it as a technology company,” Isaacson writes, “when in fact it was an advertising medium based on human emotions and relationships.” Isaacson believes that Musk wanted to buy Twitter because he had been so bullied as a kid and “now he could own the playground.” It’s an awkward metaphor, but that’s also what makes it perfect. Owning a playground won’t stop you from getting bullied. If you think about it, owning a playground won’t get you much of anything at all. |
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"I buying the platform to advocate for free speech for all, if you can afford it".
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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When i look up why i should "hate" Musk then it's all just petty nonsense. But i don't get manipulated by popular opinion and media very easily. Not saying it doesn't happen, but for the most part i'm pretty bullheaded.
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While i'm not gonna watch your video i'm gonna say that you're gonna try harder. He's made spacex, which is interesting even if it doesn't do as well as it could, but he also made starlink. I fail to see how this guy is the bane of mankind. Just absolute horseshit propagated somewhere. At least this is a guy who does interesting things with the vast fortune he's made. Also cracked down on leftist lunacy on twatter and changing it's name to something retarded. I agree that the name change is quite stupid.
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He can do groundbreaking things, and be a detrimental person also.
Him doing good things, do not nullify the bad he does in other areas.
Me saving 500 children's from a burning orphanage daily, and also raped 5 nuns. Doesn't mean those 5 nuns should be overlooked.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2023 21:04 Post subject: |
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But who are you or i to tell him what to do? Not our business. His money, his life, his decisions. That's how society works. We just have to hope he spends a bit to the betterment of all, but we are not in the right to demand it.
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the law tells us not to lie to investors n customers, he is gonna get his day in court just like holmes
and not watching that video listing ALL his lies, means ur stuck in ur own echo chamber of spacex fanboyism ... spacex.... doing what nasa did 60 years ago, ALSO with tax payer dollars as almost all of it was subsidized, he probably personally hasnt sunk a penny into, tax payers dollars
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I honestly don't care that much. I'm impressed by the things he's done and i don't care about everything else. That's the difference between us. You sound like a gossip woman and i don't give a shit about everyones shortcomings unless they affect me
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2023 21:21 Post subject: |
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nah man, u drinking the musk cool aid selective media bigtime by saying that, for every one half good he might have done that u think is so awesome he did twenty proven scams. They arent shortcomings, they are deliberate stock market influencing blatant lies at meticoulisly planned announcement times to boost his stocks price when he needs to sell some more shares
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2023 21:26 Post subject: |
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You are entitled to think whatever you want <3
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | You are entitled to think whatever you want <3 |
if you don't want other people to realize that they triggered you i suggest you to not post any "<3". it's on the same level as "darling"
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2023 23:26 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | We just have to hope he spends a bit to the betterment of all, but we are not in the right to demand it. |
No one (at least me) is demanding it. But I as anyone else that is a peon nobody can judge his moral character and negative impact he has on the masses. Does it mean anything? No. But I can have them and share them as its about others and his impact he's had on them.
I feel a "I Worry not for others, as I am too busy worrying about myself. My penchant for conclusions will only be spurred when mine own is affected". Is at play here for you.
Has he done good things? Eh good is subjective. He has done useful things. Many of his things is failed/floundering but "his money his prerogative" applies there. Its when his money or actions negative affects others that bother me. I dont care if you have $1 billion or $1. If you can't be more morally just than a previously sociopathic felon..I feel you have room for improvement.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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