Upgraded my Ryzen 5900X, AsRock B550 Velocita PG and 32GB (4x 8GB) 3200Mhz @ 3600MHz combo to Ryzen 7900X, Asus X670E-F WiFi, 2x 16GB 5800MHz C28 @ 6000MHz C30 for less than 200€.
Sold old parts for 450€ and bought new ones second hand (except memory) for 620€ total. Only CPU + mb cost almost 900€ brand new. 7900X is something I would never bought new but for this money it is worth using until 8 series or 7950X3D when it becomes cheap enough.
Let us know wich BIOS came with the mobo (To see if they've been updated recently so you can skip the whole CPU burning issue).
Also, if possible, do a photo of the white sticker from one of the side of the box to see the production date etc so in case some people can check the mobo at a retailer they can see if they've been updated etc to save some drama)
Wich RAM brand did ya got?
Let us know how long memory training takes to start the PC the first time or atleast how much time it takes from turning the PC on (NO HIBERNATION, aka must be 100% off) till it reaches the desktop/login screen.
Also, if someone doesn't likes to do OC, can't they just disable memory training to speed things up?.. Or, if you touch a setting that's NOT related to RAM training, does it have to re-train the entire thing again?
Planning on upgrading my X570 3800X combo in the future
The memory in question is G.Skill F5-5600J2834F16GX2-RS5W (Hynix M-die). Crucial and Cirsair might have Micron or Samsung chips which are poor for overclocking. The rule is go with Hynix whenever possible.
Booting takes ’forever’ (less than minute though), but I have to play with BIOS settings to optimize that. Even overclocking is still in process sice I’m very busy with other stuff at the moment. Hopefully upcoming Black Friday will make 64GB (2x 32GB) DDR5 6000MHz C30 memory for 150-170€ a reality.
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The most impressive thing so far with the 7800X3D - Morrowind no longer has that tiny loading where it stutters for a bit.
For years i thought this was completely unsolvable. I remember when i got my first SSD, i thought it would fix this for sure, nope, not even close. Then they remade the engine entirely (openMW), didn't fix it.
I cheated with TLC and flew over the landscape for 5 minutes, no hitching (usually happens every 30 seconds or so)
The most impressive thing so far with the 7800X3D - Morrowind no longer has that tiny loading where it stutters for a bit.
For years i thought this was completely unsolvable. I remember when i got my first SSD, i thought it would fix this for sure, nope, not even close. Then they remade the engine entirely (openMW), didn't fix it.
I cheated with TLC and flew over the landscape for 5 minutes, no hitching (usually happens every 30 seconds or so)
Try DXVK, can't recommend it enough for those crapola gamebryo games.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
It also works well on these Assassins Creed games, starting with Origins, afaik.
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Jesus what nightmare this new build has been, MSI Mortar Wifi matx + 7800X3D + 32GB Corsair Vengeance 6000mhz CL30. It was freezing even in bios with the stock bios it came with, now with latest it seems to work...Also wtf, the CPU was running almost 90C in Diablo 4, now with latest bios its little over 60c.
I've had more blue screens with my 7800x3D than with Intel, not that is has happened a lot, maybe 4 times since i got it some months ago so it's not much of an issue. I can't even remember if i had a blue screen in years with the previous intel.
I've had more blue screens with my 7800x3D than with Intel, not that is has happened a lot, maybe 4 times since i got it some months ago so it's not much of an issue. I can't even remember if i had a blue screen in years with the previous intel.
I had as well while using PBO -30. (Random BSOD on idle. Last time I had one was years ago.) Lowering PBO to -26 has resolved this issue 100%.
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Jesus what nightmare this new build has been, MSI Mortar Wifi matx + 7800X3D + 32GB Corsair Vengeance 6000mhz CL30. It was freezing even in bios with the stock bios it came with, now with latest it seems to work...Also wtf, the CPU was running almost 90C in Diablo 4, now with latest bios its little over 60c.
Always, always, update your bios to the latest one on new build. And preferred to update it anytime a new one comes out.
Updating your bios is way more important than drivers. But seems some people (not implying you, but people I know) religiously update drivers, and have 2-3 year old bioses. Some never have never done it at all, it's got what it came with.
My friend avi that runs that store, says 1/5 of his service work comes from people that didn't/dont know how to update bios and have ones installed from 2018 or something that came with the board, they got new hardware and now it's 'acting funny'. So he gets to charge them $250 to click 3-4 times to update it.
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Bios updates usually gives more problems than they help, if all works good, why update?. AM5 has been complete shit show tho, the update that came with motherboard was from 2 months ago.
Just because it works on surface level doesn't mean things not on screen are not doing wonky, or suboptimal, or security fixes/features.
The one you have might be the one made around the time of your parts. But the newer ones will work too. Most the time not updating the only issues you get are event viewer entries of warns or such that dont affect 'day to day' usage and most people never open that anyway.
Purely anecdotal, but I've never had problems with bios updates on my or kids PCs since I started making them. Well looooong ago on the core2duo I had to fight with one, but that could have been it or me, as I barely knew what a bios was then when I did it.
Your machine, your choice
Id recommend it. But not required.
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I never update bios if all works, i will also never update this if all works now good.
That is quite bad pracitse on AMD's platform for AGESA reasons alone. Even the very latest version has some bugs which will be fixed in the future. Especially regarding proper RAM support and general system stability.
Yes it can also cause some new problems, but in general the newer the better. AM5 platform is still so new that there can be tons of bugs waiting to be fixed at some point. RAM support is one example of that.
Not long ago some MBs were killing the CPUs due to high voltage.
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i had X570 asrock taichi board, in that one bios updates always broke something, especially memory i was running, only one beta bios was completely stable.
@escalibur
RAM is a good example. My 7900x and board was letting me set XMP, showed XMP, windows reported those speeds. But wasn't 'really' running them when I built it. ram benchmarks and CPU-Z showed it was slower than it should have been.
Using it there was no noticeable difference, but I paid for XMP ram, I want XMP speeds BIOS update fixed it.
If I didn't know where to look I would have ran it for a year now at stock non-XMP speeds.
My last one the USB 3.1 speeds was a 'tad' low. Nothing Id notice as Id chalk it to my USB drives speed, or some other things to blame. the SUB 3.1 fix in the BIOS fixed it.
Another one of those things you'd never notice using it without paying attention. USB copying at 120MBps vs 180MBps to a 3.1 thumb drive isnt something most people would care to look into and chalk it up to"Its got to be because its small files, or my drive, etc".
When I updated the bios noticed that in the notes of it, and paid attention next copy, was faster.
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Seems like AM5 is even worse than AM4 was at start. I just got lucky with my AM4 board back in the day but I remember lots of people having issues.
I was planning on switching to AM5 next year, but maybe I‘ll go back to Intel this time around.
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Been saying it for months already. I was a massive fan of AM4, and the AM4 MB/CPU I have in my kids PC is still running strong. AM5 has been nothing but a headache, and I'll be going the Intel route until it steers me wrong. I don't care so much for numbers or price, I need stability for work.
If I felt like it was just me, I wouldn't be so aggravated by it, but I can see people having similar (if not identical) issues to what I experience. It's also the most expensive CPU and motherboard I ever bought, which adds salt to the wound
All the problems seems to be EXPO profile or specific mobo + ram combo, I was lucky to get problematic one for myself now tho, i have build several AM5 systems and they work flawlessly, none of them has high speed / low latency memory tho. If all problems are due to silicon lottery in the CPU IMC, this is big problem for AMD.
EDIT: found some tip for AM5 instability with EXPO profile, apparently can fix it, power down enable needs to enabled in advanced memory settings. Rig booted instantly without crashing, lets see how long it works now...
@Breezer_
You got memory with EXPO speeds and didn't enable EXPO/DOCP/XMP/A-XMP? (whatever your MB calls it)
It SHOULD run fine without it, but unless you are setting the settings yourself manually for what that setting would do for you. No reason to have highspeed/low lat memory with it off. At that point your just running stock 4800MHz with default timings.
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Is it worth replacing my ryzen5 3600 with rx5700 (non XT) for ryzen7 5800x3d ?
mostly for gaming (CP2077,Starfield and so on...)
P.S
Playing on 1080P.
For Starfield it’s definitely worth it. Any CPU bound title really.
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It's almost 40 degrees here today, it's been driving me insane. Not long after I turn on the PC with the 7900X, it counters the aircon (19c) even at idle. Idle, which is just slightly lower than the 13700k rig while gaming. Going to buy new parts and sell it.
The other PC in the same room (3700/RTX2080) has games played on it all day and the room remains cool. Unbelievable.
time has come... to replace my 9900k. Finally playing newly finished/released Cyberpunk 2077 and it dips below 60fps a lot due to cpu bottleneck with rtx...
So what to do? wait couple of weeks for 14900k or go for 7900x3d? also can I reuse my DDR4 for 14900k or it will be a bottleneck?
why not 58003d ? 100 eur second hand am4 mobo, 280 eur cpu new, and ur done done, as u can reuse ddr4 its gonna cost u double or even tripple for little gains 1%low gains and lots of isseus still with new releases
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