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It's going to run like shit, doesn't matter who they partner with
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2023 23:32 Post subject: |
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Unless the REALLY went under the hood and got proper multi-threading and stopped piling up shadows on the CPU ( ) then it will still be a cpu bound nightmare, performance wise.
And no DLSS ou FSR will save it.
Just don't add derpnuvo to it, toddster. I want to isodemo 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2023 23:56 Post subject: |
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niggas made an entire galaxy but not a single functional ladder or land vehicule to explore entire RNG planets with. Don't get your hopes up with this engine.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 02:31 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | It's going to run like shit, doesn't matter who they partner with |
Bulk of sales would be console / AMD hardware. I disable RTX in most stuff because the increased performance is better than reflections and color halos on everything. DLSS can possibly be modded in, it was for RE4make?
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 02:56 Post subject: |
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It was modded in for FO4/Skyrim as well IIRC
It might help in some regard, but with the CPU issues in ALL of their games, I don't think DLSS would save it anyway
Happy to be proven wrong, but even the official gameplay clips are full of that typical shitty Beth-stutter / FPS drops. The fact that Todd is happy to continue with 30FPS speaks volumes as well.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 03:57 Post subject: |
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dxvk wrapper >>>>>> DLSS implementation for this one, probably
Does wonders in DX9 Morrowind and FO3 (and probably in FONV and DX11 FO4 but haven't extensively tested it in those yet).
Discovered it helped a ton with Black Mesa and have been experimenting it on all kind of performance hog games 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 06:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 06:13 Post subject: |
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That depends if it has denuvo or not.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 07:12 Post subject: |
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Who the fuck are those fucking 2 nVidia shills?
Becos AHMYGERD, inVidia NEVA EVAH DID SUMTING LIEK DIS!1
Let's all forget how consoomer friendli greedy nVidia was/is and how it literally started shitting on everyone starting with the 3xxx series. Massive increase of prices, scalpers situation that they did nothing to fix, DLSS/ 3.0 exclusivity, the failed 4xxx series...
Imbeciles angry at AMD sponsoring a lousy massively CPU dependent game(!), while nVidia is slowly taking over the world... 
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AnarchoS
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 08:13 Post subject: |
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I don't understand people that defend one corporation against another, there is no difference, they are all producing for profit, never seen any corp that was all about the consumer, and contract like this are just a kind of sponsorship deals, they all do it.
A.F.A.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 09:39 Post subject: |
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Ya or gpus AMD sell to Ms and Sony are cheap and effective, all development effort goes towards console, not PC gamers with too much money to blow on latest buzzword tech.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 09:50 Post subject: |
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Some of you guys are trying really hard to misunderstand and misrepresent the situation for some reason. Fanboys ? Fanboys of what ? Which fanboys are slinging mud ? Towards what ? What gpus is amd selling to microsoft ? Consoles use apus, not dedicated gpus. What money towards the latest tech ? Every gpu nvidia manufactures since Turing offers dlss support.
Why the fuck are some of you arguing against your own interest as gamers and customers for a move thats universally aknowledged as negative ? Jesus. You should want ALL upscale solutions to be available, not be happy that someone paid to have the others excluded and you're left with the worst one.
Its been showed that once one of these solution is implemented in games, it's a days work to implement the others, because the work is done. You have moders injecting upscale solutions in other games in a matter of days. A gigantic AAA game backed by microsoft is not a poor dev who doesnt have time or manpower.
And stop repeating all dev goes towards consoles or it will sell most there. Especially with this game, its gonna 100% sell more on PC and if every other Beth release is an example, this is a pc made game first and hamfisted on consoles.
And stop arguing against your best interests due to some imaginary sticking it to bad guy nvidia.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:13 Post subject: |
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There's only ONE position viable for us, the 'regular' people: the 'consoomer' position, aka bend over, so you are getting fucked from all directions.
AMD, nVidia and other 'apparent competitors' are all faces of the same-like black, rocky coin.
All this nonsense pro / against crap is just advertising. That's all there is.
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:38 Post subject: |
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why is nvidia to blame cuz amd cant get a working fsr level on par with dlss?
I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes..
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:40 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | Why the fuck are some of you arguing against your own interest as gamers and customers for a move thats universally aknowledged as negative ? Jesus. You should want ALL upscale solutions to be available, not be happy that someone paid to have the others excluded and you're left with the worst one. |
only speaking for myself here, but i don't want any upscaling magic. i want cards to perform faster and become capable of using real downscaling. fake frames and restorative scaling is not what i want to see tech go toward and i most certainly don't want to see people paying more for videocards using technologies which are actively reducing rendering resolution. both RT and DLSS are part of these demons.
diversifying GPU tech into something that isn't faster shader cores isn't what i want to see really. nvidia looks like a great innovator over AMD here, but what they're doing is innovating their profit margins at the expense of consumers, presumably so they can keep their lead in the AI industry over the coming years.
common people have gotten increasingly excited over high frame rates (regardless of visual acuity) which is rather strange, because we spent such a long time getting that fidelity in the first place, and now we're actively cheering to reduce it (that and now we can apparently see more than 30 FPS)
i wouldn't say DLSS or RT are intrinsically bad technologies, but the whole gaming industry is actually paying for these extra, not often used features (in place of more traditional performance), where as AMD is attempting to actively respond to rising GPU costs and saying we don't need image forgery.. and i agree with AMD here. nvidia is selling smoke and mirrors and people are eating it up wholesale.
i didn't spend 20 years whinging about noobs that couldn't see shitty image quality issues and framerate/optimization problems for us to just slide right back there by fabricating frames.
it may be a negative for gamers if they own nvidia cards because they can't get any use out of the horseshit packaged on their cards in place of actual performance and VRAM. but it's a positive for me to see these trends die.. like the majority of nvidia's proprietary 'innovations'.
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:54 Post subject: |
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common people have gotten increasingly excited over high frame rates (regardless of visual acuity) which is rather strange |
pc market has moved on from 60fps, these days a 144-240hz monitor is the standard, ofc people want high framerate on their games, i would gladly sacrifice visual clarity for a 20-30fps bumb to reach that 90-100fps sweetspot. even for sp games and bla bla u dont need it but the fluidity is very nice. and many times there is almost no difference between dlss quality vs native, only if u pixel peeping. i cant say the same with fsr, i would rather play the game at native with lower res.
| jermore wrote: | | i wouldn't say DLSS or RT are intrinsically bad technologies, but the whole gaming industry is actually paying for these extra, not often used features (in place of more traditional performance) |
horseshit, u look at cp2077 with rt maxed out and it trully looks next gen, even for older games how rt transformes the game, wtf u even talking, u are up there amd fanboy crying rt is shit cuz amd cant catch up. in capable hands rt can be trully great
everyone wants everything NOW, but shit like this takes time, it took 3 gen of nvidia cards to make rtx work at native at respectable fps, remembered when turning tessalation on crippeled the performance of the gpu, or having physx on or whatever, years later they are part of the game nobody thinks about with no performance loss
do u only want performance but no innovation in tech?
I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes..
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 11:55 Post subject: |
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| jermore wrote: | | qqq wrote: | | Why the fuck are some of you arguing against your own interest as gamers and customers for a move thats universally aknowledged as negative ? Jesus. You should want ALL upscale solutions to be available, not be happy that someone paid to have the others excluded and you're left with the worst one. |
only speaking for myself here, but i don't want any upscaling magic. i want cards to perform faster and become capable of using real downscaling. fake frames and restorative scaling is not what i want to see tech go toward and i most certainly don't want to see people paying more for videocards using technologies which are actively reducing rendering resolution. both RT and DLSS are part of these demons.
diversifying GPU tech into something that isn't faster shader cores isn't what i want to see really. nvidia looks like a great innovator over AMD here, but what they're doing is innovating their profit margins at the expense of consumers, presumably so they can keep their lead in the AI industry over the coming years.
common people have gotten increasingly excited over high frame rates (regardless of visual acuity) which is rather strange, because we spent such a long time getting that fidelity in the first place, and now we're actively cheering to reduce it (that and now we can apparently see more than 30 FPS)
i wouldn't say DLSS or RT are intrinsically bad technologies, but the whole gaming industry is actually paying for these extra, not often used features (in place of more traditional performance), where as AMD is attempting to actively respond to rising GPU costs and saying we don't need image forgery.. and i agree with AMD here. nvidia is selling smoke and mirrors and people are eating it up wholesale.
i didn't spend 20 years whinging about noobs that couldn't see shitty image quality issues and framerate/optimization problems for us to just slide right back there by fabricating frames.
it may be a negative for gamers if they own nvidia cards because they can't get any use out of the horseshit packaged on their cards in place of actual performance and VRAM. but it's a positive for me to see these trends die.. like the majority of nvidia's proprietary 'innovations'. |
Problem is you've taken a stance here that is mostly fictional. And stop saying fake frames, reddit style, as if it means something other than what it is. First of all, the performance uplift with a 4090 is the biggest in gpu history outside of 8800 GTX, gen on gen. Nobody is leaving performance uplift on the table here. What's the excuse for intel and AMD if thats the case ? Why arent they soaring way past nvidia then ?
Second, DLSS when used from a high enough baseline for resolution is pretty much indistinguishable from an image without it. Keep in mind, we're not seeing native images in games, we're seeing TAA ones. DLSS came to the market in order to make real time ray tracing playable.
"Image forgery" is a new way of trying to find heavier sounding words in order to falsely present the actual reality though 
We're aproaching the physical limits of how small they can shrink nodes to get extra performance, so DLSS and its brothers will become more and more crucial going forward. Perhaps in another 5 years when most people will have hardware for it we'll finally be rid of the absolute nonsense we're getting since 2018
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 14:04 Post subject: |
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I think they hit a crossroad towards more compute power/FPS between electricity usage vs AI upscaling.
If you can get more FPS but have to pay industrial level power bills... I mean good for you if you're rich but that's not the average consumer.
Until far more energy efficient ways are available this is what we got. Devs using it as a crutch to not optimize their games is an entirely different discussion.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 15:13 Post subject: |
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@qqq because the APU's in every console are made by AMD. Being uninformed and spending 3k on a GPU for shiny feature gsync, physx, RTX proprietary tech that doesn't get used in games is on you, not MS, not Bethesda, not NVIDIA.
The market has spoken, broken games, unsupported tech, ludicrous priced hardware, neverending $'s MTX is what they want. If not it wouldn't be this way.
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 17:32 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | @qqq because the APU's in every console are made by AMD. Being uninformed and spending 3k on a GPU for shiny feature gsync, physx, RTX proprietary tech that doesn't get used in games is on you, not MS, not Bethesda, not NVIDIA.
The market has spoken, broken games, unsupported tech, ludicrous priced hardware, neverending $'s MTX is what they want. If not it wouldn't be this way. |
Who pays for those? You pay for performance first and nvidia is top of the line, unlike AMD where you pay for promises (fsr 3.0 lol).
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Jun 2023 13:09 Post subject: |
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Oh AMD sponsored? Cant wait for it to run like shit
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Jun 2023 23:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Jun 2023 16:24 Post subject: |
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We don't need a senior programmer to tell us how bullshit marketing works.
wE iz 2 smar fo zem1
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Jun 2023 16:27 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | https://twitter.com/mempodev/status/1673759246498910208
^^^ Nixxes graphics programmer |
Requires a twitter account
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Jun 2023 17:43 Post subject: |
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Yeah, apparently they "locked" twat-ter today, if you don't have an account then your SOL.
But creating an account, fuck that shit 
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