Yea all I use is VST or sound fonts mostly. And I have a bad habit of using guitar rig 6 for most effects since its sooo good for reverb, echo, distortion, etc on things far outside of just a guitar.
A dozen or so of that entire plugin loaded into separate insert effects love to eat ram and CPU:
This loaded 10-12 times gets heavy.
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And I prefer to split each of my instruments onto its own pattern and insert. I dont do say, drums on one channel I have bass drum on one, snare another, cymbals, etc all on its own pattern & insert all on its own, so I can tweak each one separately and visually separate them
Then inserts/side chain I use (over use probably) to link dynamic volume control or for effect clarity to other channels in the same frequency range, so say a horn doesn't 'muddle up' with a synth that's in the same freq range if I want the horn the dominant sound.
All that on top of my soundcard is a external ASIO one that I lower to the bare minimum latency it can handle. As that uses a little more CPU overhead for 'real time' response to a keyboard or midi interface input. vs using standard buffer that has a tiny delay between hitting a key and hearing it.
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Yea all I use is VST or sound fonts mostly. And I have a bad habit of using guitar rig 6 for most effects since its sooo good for reverb, echo, distortion, etc on things far outside of just a guitar.
A dozen or so of that entire plugin loaded into separate insert effects love to eat ram and CPU:
This loaded 10-12 times gets heavy.
Spoiler:
Yeah that would be the drag Never been a fan of Guitar Rig, used it scarcely back in 2000 or so when I dared to record guitars and process them to hell and back but this looks (v6) like it can be CPU-heavy.
DXWarlock wrote:
And I prefer to split each of my instruments onto its own pattern and insert. I dont do say, drums on one channel I have bass drum on one, snare another, cymbals, etc all on its own pattern & insert all on its own, so I can tweak each one separately and visually separate them
This is the way. Back then using Battery with multi-outputs was enlightening, now it's just a sample or a complete drum machine per channel - with just a few basic inserts like coloring EQ or comp/transient designer. Channel FXs like verb, phaser, delay or any mangler really tend to go to busses, send/return. You can save a lot of CPU this way.
DXWarlock wrote:
Then inserts/side chain I use (over use probably) to link dynamic volume control or for effect clarity to other channels in the same frequency range, so say a horn doesn't 'muddle up' with a synth that's in the same freq range if I want the horn the dominant sound.
I remember using sidechain to emulate the Border Community sound back in 2004 - further called 'the pumping effect' - and having strong disagreements with different sound engineers at the school I was teaching. They perceived it as a flaw and not an aesthetic choice lol.
Hear me out DX, did you try DSEQ or Soothe2? You can sidechain there as well, not only in the dynamics domain, but also on the spectral domain. Way better results! Don't use TrackSpacer, it's hyped and it works, but it only has 32 bands. DSEQ and/or Soothe2 can be much more transparent - and awesome. Game changer.
DXWarlock wrote:
All that on top of my soundcard is a external ASIO one that I lower to the bare minimum latency it can handle. As that uses a little more CPU overhead for 'real time' response to a keyboard or midi interface input. vs using standard buffer that has a tiny delay between hitting a key and hearing it.
This is typical, I'm sporting a Babyface Pro through USB2 and the latency is nothing short of amazing. Lower sample buffers can hit *really hard* on CPU, but you can compensate using higher sample rates or just create in lower buffers to have negligible latency to play with keyboard and midi and then raise your buffers to mix and stamp FXs all around your awesome songs
Havent tried DSEQ or Soothe2. Seen them but in that stubborn "I already took the time to learn a way to do it" mentality Its not right to, I should check them out. Habits are hard to break.
I dont do pumping effect or that hyper ducking 'wub wub wub' of highs and mids. More so if I have two instruments that are close enough in frequency they start to muddy each other, I nudge one down dynamically from the volume of the other. try to make it 'sound' just as loud as it was, but it's really the other instrument adding DB to that freq range to stand out.
Some people love the huge sidechain ducking, to me it's overly noticeable and sounds like the same as when you stand up too fast and everything's volume starts 'wub wub wub' to your heartbeat speed, or how stuff sounds when you do a whip-it
I tried to raise the latency, but it throws me off playing a keyboard. Its not much at all in delay, but not sure if its I was trained (poorly as a kid) on piano, so instinctually expect zero delay from key strike to sound made. But if I raise it over around 256 samples, I have to either manually or using the tool quantize everything I play as I am playing 'off' by a hair from the actual beat and waver off tempo up and down a hair.
96 samples sounds 'instant' but I have to set CPU range to high or I get clipping/popping/fuzzy when a lot of instruments are going at once.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Havent tried DSEQ or Soothe2. Seen them but in that stubborn "I already took the time to learn a way to do it" mentality Its not right to, I should check them out. Habits are hard to break.
I dont do pumping effect or that hyper ducking 'wub wub wub' of highs and mids. More so if I have two instruments that are close enough in frequency they start to muddy each other, I nudge one down dynamically from the volume of the other. try to make it 'sound' just as loud as it was, but it's really the other instrument adding DB to that freq range to stand out.
Some people love the huge sidechain ducking, to me it's overly noticeable and sounds like the same as when you stand up too fast and everything's volume starts 'wub wub wub' to your heartbeat speed, or how stuff sounds when you do a whip-it
That's the thing with DSEQ or Soothe2 (even TrackSpacer), they do sidechaining but only in the colliding frequencies. Not a simple Lowpass or Bandpass, it's very detailed. I think you should try it for your usage, I venture to say it would do wonders to you.
About the ducking or 'wub wub' I see what you'er saying, most of the EDM made in the past 10 years abused that 'effect'. I tend to use it sparcely and it works to make different emotions
DXWarlock wrote:
I tried to raise the latency, but it throws me off playing a keyboard. Its not much at all in delay, but not sure if its I was trained (poorly as a kid) on piano, so instinctually expect zero delay from key strike to sound made. But if I raise it over around 256 samples, I have to either manually or using the tool quantize everything I play as I am playing 'off' by a hair from the actual beat and waver off tempo up and down a hair.
96 samples sounds 'instant' but I have to set CPU range to high or I get clipping/popping/fuzzy when a lot of instruments are going at once.
That's what I meant. With your beast of a CPU you could play and record midi at 96 or even 64 samples, finish your basic elements and structure then proceed to raise your buffer to 1024 or even 2048 so you can mix with a lot of FX and CPU bandwidth. Heck I've made and produced albums with tons of VSTis and FX with an i5 2500! My first album consisted of a few VSTis and lots of samples processed, exported, imported, truncated and FXted and it was made with a Pentium 233MMX You can do the fucking babel tower of music with your computer
All those AIB companies, whether it's ASUS, MSI, AsRock, Gigabyte - it doesn't matter, have all become nothing but cheap chinese scumbag companies
If you buy their top of the line products that are way over MSRP and have terrible price to performance ration, both in GPU and Motherboard categories, yea - you'll most likely be fine
You buy anything near MSRP / baseprice or even midrange items? They'll sell you cheap shit that can break at any moment where the customer pays in other ways down the line because they'd rather make 10 cents more per GPU or Mobo than making sure the customer has a better experience
We've seen this in the past with MSI for example where they put tiny bios chips on the motherboards and later had to make lite versions of their bioses because they went with 8mb chips instead of 16mb, which saved them cents and then they rereleased certain boards as "MAX" versions with proper future-proof bios chips.
All those companies sell 4090s at or around MSRP that have terrible, barely adequate VRMs on them and often come with terrible coil whine. $1500-$2000 hardware! And they're scrapping for ccents
So many Asus 4090s that just have such terrible coil whine it's louder than any fan in any system.
On my first TUF 4090 the 12VHPWR connector on the GPU lost a large chunk of it's plastic casing while plugging in the cable the first time.
Motherboards with screws that you can maybe screw in and unscrew about 3-4 times before they break, the cheapest audio chips you can find, many motherboards by Gigabyte now come with coilwhine. Coilwhine on a motherboard! And those are the $200-$400 Z690 and Z790 boards.
$200 motherboards are now entry level, you pay anything less you get barebones stuff or micro ATX boards that used to cost $60
I am so hoping for AMD and Intel to start selling their own motherboards just like Intel, AMD and Nvidia are selling their own GPUs.
Not only do they have very different margins, their name and the quality of the product is directly attached to those products so they actually try.
Never gonna buy a non Founders Edition or AMD.com GPU ever again
Of course, that's exactly what Nvidia, AMD and Intel want - cut out the middleman and make more money
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Dude, Gigabyte or Asus only and they aren't perfect either. I haven't had a problem with the lowest premium tier board in over 10-15 years. That said $500-600 for a mboard is a ripoff but the market continues to pay no matter how high you price hardware so necessary evil.
Also the super premium tier boards are ripoff / joke.. but hey if you must have some marketing feature go right ahead.
The low tier stuff can be serviceable and do the job, but yes the vendors absolutely cut down cost in both the hardware design and software/bios support.
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@Amadeus
Not sure where you are getting your parts
I've had no issues with any of them myself. Purely anecdotal evidence I admit. But my parts go thru the stages a car does with many many owners until its so old no one wants it.
Every PC part I have had has went: Me -> my son -> my daughter -> sons friends -> someone they know. (or some reorder of that) and 99% of them have been rock solid and put in/take out of cases dozens of times.
The MSI board I had for the 5700x has been put in and out about 8 times in different cases (I changed cases, it went the trade route that some people upgraded cases too while having it)
my Gigabyte AERO card is dead quiet. And as mentioned before, maybe it's just me not hearing it, but seems no one else does either. Everyone (well son, friends, and friends of son) all mention how quiet my PC is while playing games. So I assume if none of us can hear it, its not whining at least at any level thats audible.
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Wish I could go back to my 8700K. This 7900X has been nothing but trouble again for the past week. I'm guessing it's the BIOS update, but it's locking up / bluescreening randomly
Wish I could go back to my 8700K. This 7900X has been nothing but trouble again for the past week. I'm guessing it's the BIOS update, but it's locking up / bluescreening randomly
My previous 5900X died like that, random lockups in windows idle and bluescreens, it was not stable anymore without constant voltage.
Wish I could go back to my 8700K. This 7900X has been nothing but trouble again for the past week. I'm guessing it's the BIOS update, but it's locking up / bluescreening randomly
I disagree on MSI part. My MSI motherboard has a horrible BIOS. The first BIOS versions it lagged a lot, like 1-2 seconds delay before you saw something happening
At least they fixed it. All options are also very unlogically placed. Why do I need to enter separate menus to disable serial, parallel, and sound? Can't they place it all under each other like a normal BIOS
Half of the options have no descriptions. So you see something in RAM settings like AKLDFUSLKDFLKS Setting Ah, yes, that famous setting.
My parents have an ASRock one and that's much better/logical.
What would be a good (=very noticeable) upgrade from a i5 8600K (4.3GHz)? Would i have to sell a kidney or is there something cheaper which would still kick its ass (i'd want at least a ~25% performance increase for it to be really worth the trouble)?
I don't mind overclocking to get it to be better price/performance.
Core i5 12400F has a good price and seems good, but boards to overclock it is just too rare or no longer available it seems, at least around here.
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Never been a fan of Guitar Rig, used it scarcely back in 2000 or so when I dared to record guitars and process them to hell and back 
but this looks (v6) like it can be CPU-heavy.
Its not right to, I should check them out. Habits are hard to break.
Ah, yes, that famous setting.
