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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 16:19    Post subject:
Its almost as if it was a culture war, not a real thing. But I don't know, I see about 200 kids a week in a school of about 1600 with different classes almost each year and the ones that were openly gay in the last 10 years, I can count on two hands nd the ones that were trans I can count with my dick. And that person was over 20.

But thats anecdotal, I know.

I am oh so glad not to be living in the US where millions of idiots go to churches and megachurches where they pray to god to become dumber every day, and where they take their kids to become just as dumb as them.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 16:19    Post subject:
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I myself feel its the quintessential difference between: have you heard aboout X? vs have you seen about X?

You can hear a LOT of things online and never see much evidence of it personally outside of on a screen connected to the internet, but so many people online are talking about it you simply must be one of the few that havent seen it yet in person.
And when you do see a example of it in person, extrapolate this must be part of that bigger thing they are talking about. And you just got a 'glimpse' of a tiny corner of it.
(like you never notice any cars like you own, until you own one..then you seem to see them everywhere you go. They wasn't this many before..right?)

Would be like me every day or two reading up on a site that discusses hunters that enjoy shooting wild hogs. And concluding: Everyone in the world seems to like hunting wild hogs for sport. I dont see it in person but it must be pretty common, that's all they talk about on that site I go to with people all over the world on it. And john, a guy I know likes to hunt. So surely he knows many many hog hunters.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 16:31    Post subject:
What do you mean what's wrong with it?

Its clear isnt it if you read between the lines? A combination of the implied evil of being trans (they are mostly pedos it seems..at least what I hear online anyway), and the 'ew' factor of it.

"I dont like their kind, I dont want MORE of their kind. And I wouldn't raise my kid like that...to be an angry child molesting tranny".
"Mind pointing out where this happening a lot, I can't seem to find it?"
"Well I can't SHOW you, they hide doing it since its evil and deplorable to do, those trans are sneaky like that. But I saw a single case online of a single one that did (on that hunting forums I go to), so they must all...right?"


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 16:38    Post subject:
“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” — you must have heard these lines somewhere or in some random motivational song. Well, these lines are originally written by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. He is considered as one of the most influential philosophers of all time who openly hated Christianity and alcohol for one reason that they both gave temporary relief from the inner grief we all take with ourselves.
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https://wrotagonist.medium.com/nietzsches-eye-on-envy-f4fbdeaf8736
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 16:42    Post subject:
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Oh yea but the extreme end of it, is the majority of the arguments.
I mean other people have different reasons I am sure. But most the ones i heard boil down to some form of self justified "I dont like it". Mixed with stereotype of what they heard they are like, without actually knowing any.

Its like one guy I was talking to at the bar about gay men getting married:
Him - I dont like the idea of gay men getting married. I dont like thinking of two men fucking. That disgusting.
Me - ....How often do you think about two men fucking, that its became a problem for you?
By that argument, 60+ year old people shouldn't get married. I dont want to think about them fucking either. (Who sits around thinking about every couple they see fucking?)

Combine that with blanket applying attributes of ones that do make a scene to all of them. And its compounds the resolve to not want to allow it.
People see a video like that one of the crazy trans guy screaming "ITS MAM!" at the gas station and conclude: Trans are crazy dickheads. But if I can find a video of a straight guy going off at a gas station can I go: Straight people are crazy dickheads.
No. The difference is when its one of 'yours' you attribute the actions to the individual. When it's one you dont like, you attribute their actions to the whole. Somehow then each one is a spokesperson for the whole and ANYTHING they do reflects how the whole must act.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 17:06    Post subject:
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“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” — you must have heard these lines somewhere or in some random motivational song. Well, these lines are originally written by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. He is considered as one of the most influential philosophers of all time who openly hated Christianity and alcohol for one reason that they both gave temporary relief from the inner grief we all take with ourselves.
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https://wrotagonist.medium.com/nietzsches-eye-on-envy-f4fbdeaf8736


Nice post, but don't think it fits here. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 17:19    Post subject:
I didn't want to go into this, but that retard might not be the best for the issues with trans.
He's a degenerate that happens to be trans (some would say became but that would imply that all trans are degenerates and that's not the case. But I wouldn't be surprised if most of the most prominent ones on social media are):
1 - https://archive.is/EWeEM
(that's art from some nice guy that draws nice stuff, like for example
- Keemstar's daughter giving a blowjob to Donald Trump
- Porn of Lt. Corbis, a very young YouTube celebrity noted for grossly sexual content.
- Shadman drew porn of Dafnee Keen, the underage actress playing Logan, being raped by her costar.)
All of those kids? <10yo at the time of the drawings, as far as I know.


2 - https://archive.ph/dmUcl
"I was just joking..." yeah... right...

Add the kid's picture to that for the horrifying combo. But anyway, UwU he's a girlboss now, bigots watch out!



paxsali wrote:
This may sound provocative, but can you explain why that is so bad, in your opinion?

Trans ppl "raise" their kids to be trans. Okay.

I challenge you to unironically:

- name objectively bad things about that
- name the difference to christian, political, cultural assimilation attempts of the same age group (which, somehow, is perfectly fashionable)

Try and provide objective facts and reasonable arguments.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 17:23    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:


Trans ppl "raise" their kids to be trans. Okay.

I challenge you to unironically:

- name objectively bad things about that
- name the difference to christian, political, cultural assimilation attempts of the same age group (which, somehow, is perfectly fashionable)

Try and provide objective facts and reasonable arguments.


I'll give it a shot:

First of all it is biologically very unlikely that trans parents also have trans kids. As far we know, inheritability plays no role.
This means it is a cultural thing and in quite a few, especially the attention grabbing cases likely some form of Munchausen syndrome by proxy.
Also, kids tend to imitate their parents. In that case it is a normal phase they go through and grow out of.

So no, in that regard it is not any different to religious or political assimilation attempts of children. These may be fashionable for some people but in the end all of them are a form of indoctrination.
LGBTQ activism as it is expressed in the present is based on the belief system of queer theory, which falls under the umbrella of postmodern critical theories. It's their scripture, or little red book so to say.

There is one important difference though: Whether you indoctrinate your kid to be a fundamentalist christian, hardcore right winger or communist or an effeminate non-binary being - all of these can be reversed.
It does affect the brain but as late teens or adults many come to their senses and leave their parents behind and can become more rational human beings.
On the other hand, if you put your trans kid on puberty blockers, hormones and let them undergo surgical procedures then this is irreversible to a degree.
So there is one key difference after all. And this is the irreversibility of changes to the body for those that go through with it.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 17:30    Post subject:
@Shocktrooper But you are making it seem like you can just go down to the pharmacy/chemist and just grab some hormone blockers and swing by the doc on the way home to get your thing cut off.
Well maybe not you, but a lot of people seem to think its far far easier than it is to get to the point to actually do it.

Id say the process for becoming trans is FAR more rigorous than any you list also being raised as.
It takes at least a year of psychologists/psychiatrist evaluation to help you work out why, how, and if you really want to. Along with a lot of doctor visits to weigh the pros and con, and be fully educated on the irreversibility of it as well as the after effects and what to expect. And even then they start you on the 'reversible' meds to start it as a final stopgap to make sure you wish to continue after some minor changes start to show.

My daughter's ex is transitioning (Why an ex, she didn't want to date a girl/trans girl/whatever..she's straight. And he understood and had a mutual breakup). He started the journey, or whatever you want to call it 2 years ago. He is just now starting on the reversible hormone therapy and starts the 'serious' steps in july.

If being taught to be christian, hardcore right winger or communist required the same level of outside (not your parents) impartial confirmation of 'Are you SURE you want to be this' before allowing you to start being that, I would then say they are the same.
Actually I wish they did. I feel a lot less would be those things if given the option and understanding of they dont 'have' to be.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 17:51    Post subject:
@DX It depends on where you are located and which clinics you go to. It can be as rigorous as you say but also as easy as just putting down 100 bucks and going home with a prescription after talking to the doc for 10 minutes. It differs from state to state and country to country.
Nordic states and Netherlands are beckpedalling now because of new studies regarding puberty blockers. UK decided to close the Tavistock Clinic.
e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/19/a-contentious-place-the-inside-story-of-tavistocks-nhs-gender-identity-clinic
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230208-sweden-puts-brakes-on-treatments-for-trans-minors

In US, the capitalistic permeation of the healthcare system is also a major factor. If there's money in it and there is, more offers will pop up and barriers will fall.
Many trans activists in the US/UK and to a degree the Biden administration are working in fact on legislation to make gender affirming care even easier to access and remove most if not all the barriers you mentioned. The clue is in the name "gender affirming".
To affirm something that is already in the head of the patient, as opposed to evaluating or questioning them, is ideologically loaded and runs counter to good medicinal practice.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 18:23    Post subject:
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Your response is good.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 19:23    Post subject:
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(edited to try to make shorter...sort of worked)
Agreed. More was stating (to me) the action of it takes time to confirm and the ones doing it, are the right way to go.
If someone wants to, make sure its really a desire and not a whim. And let them do it.

I feel there is middle ground the defenders/decriers refuse to meet at. So we end up with struggles on the extreme ends of choice as the only options. Some want it so hard to get the point is to discourage people from trying, others want it easy enough it's merely an afterthought on deciding to.
So to 'win' the war its all or nothing, so to speak: Make it impossible, or to counter that mindset make it frivolous.

I feel anyone rational that wants to do it, goes the route of the check gates and thorough process of competent care and procedure. They would not go to the quick and easy path. They want guidance and respected medical guidance for both mental and physical advice and knowledgeable understanding of what to expect.

Just because they are streamlining the process out of over reaction to those that want to stall the process, doesn't mean most that want it would go that way.
Like if they made getting a vasectomy a drive-thru 10 minute option you dont even have to leave your car for..doesn't mean if I wanted one I would go that iffy as hell route. Only those crazy and irrational to start with would get it done in the same way you order drive-thru burgers. Most people even if that option was around, would go to a respected doc to get it done.

Wanting to change, and being crazy are two different criteria that are independent of each other. Every group is going to have its irrational people. Cant judge the whole of how they would choose, based on the irrational ones. If we did we could spend hours talking about how 'all straight people are crazy' based on the outrageous choices of a few of them.

I feel (my take on it) if you are for choice on abortion, then here you should have some defense of choice here too. As both are life changing decisions you cannot reverse. The irreversibility of it is a moot point if the irreversibility of the other is trumped by the right of choice of the person doing it.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st May 2023 19:53    Post subject:
Also I feel the amount of people that suspect/think others are transitioning on a whim or rash decision, is FAR FAR greater than the actual number of people doing it.

You cannot be 'raised' gay, or trans, or straight. Sure you can be raised to lie you are straight (or gay, or whatever) by pressure to say you are. But it doesn't work that way for any of them. if it did there would be way less gay people, if all it took was being 'raised' straight. if it doesn't work for one, it doesn't work for all.
If being raised a way changed your identity of sexuality and gender identity. Then there is a lot of tomboys, gay men, feminine men and masculine women out there that need to explain how they got that way despite having 'traditional' roles lead to them by parents not wanting to have a tomboy girl, or swishy boy, and need to be a 'normal girl/boy'.
No amount of giving a girl pink dresses, dolls, and girlie bedrooms will change a girl that 'wants to play with the boy toys' and wants to wear jeans and a hat. They know 'what' they are long before labels of what they should/shouldn't be are told to them.
They only stop being that thing, because they are told to stop. Not that they dont feel it anymore. They just dont show it.

Your natural urges that would arise even if isolated from other people, are not the same as say raised christian, or communist. As those would not naturally emerge as full fleshed out self identifiers if left alone on an island. Your instictual intristic sexuallity would.

No one 'decides' they are gay. just as you didn't decide you was straight. You realized at some point you was, and it answered the question, but it wasn't a decision. It was a premade answer for a question you never had to answer until you got around to dealing with it.


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 03:11    Post subject:
One huh? area for me is the sports. To me it doesn't make sense and only damages ands adds negative fuel to the fire. Unless the science close to proves that hormone therapy negates the biological advantage of being male.

We don't let athletes blood dope and a million other things, so why is allowing trans with 2-3x white fibrous muscle tissue by nature of being male ok?

Current situation doesn't seem right, and I don't think there is a viable solution.

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Ya I think sexuality is more genetic than environmental, you know at a very young age what you like - at least that was my exp. A lot of people definately think it's environmental though, that if their kids go to gay parade they will come home gay Laughing I just don't think so.

I feel the best way to parent kids, is instill good moral values to make up your own mind and not get in trouble, but ultimately you let your kids choose what they want to do and support them. Very hard concept for a lot of people that want their kids to be them.
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 04:10    Post subject:
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My solution for the sports problem: Stop grouping by genitals and group by skill level.
Because in the end it really is just genital sorting. As there is different skill level leagues already for each set of genitals, yet they do not overlap, and still exist for each one.

Use the league system they have in place like baseball : Major, Minor, AAA, AA, A, and rookie league.
And so on. Then put people in the one of their skill level.

As the way they do it now is based on equity: Womans have Major and Mens have Major despite the difference in ability they get the same titles. Do it by skill and it's purely based on equality then.


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 08:59    Post subject:
But the split is based on physical attributes of gender in a lot of cases. I'm not really into sports, but I'm fairly sure men's records far exceed woman's in many many categories. Woman just wouldn't bother competing in those sports any more.

Running, swimming, tennis, athletics, boxing, MMA, cycling, diving, ski sports - a single league makes no sense. Feel free to prove me wrong someone that knows better.

When I have watched sport I very much like the separate completions, i.e I find woman's tennis equally as good as men's tennis. Same with MMA although that's half a sport.


Possible outliers - darts, shooting, bowling, snooker, eSports, golf?, Motersports?

Idgaf what ppl do, but the trans cyclist #1 running, cycling etc. feats I just think, well ofc? and those woman were robbed a fair competition. Why is there a separate disabled league all things being equal?
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 09:26    Post subject:
They should just make a Trans league and be done with it.


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 10:02    Post subject:
Well its society legitimizing a person that has surgically changed their genitals (which is 100% undeniable fact) as indeed a fully fledged Female, instead of being a person that has changed their genitals / trans. I also think it is a minority of trans that think that way as well. I'm fairly confident most trans identify as trans (at least the ones in my extended circle anyway).

Then you have outraged people that just fight over anything remotely discriminate (in a lot of cases that's a good thing), this is VERY common, to the point i do not talk about anything like this topic to RL people. You are asking society to accept myth/fantasy. The only other case i can think of this occurring in human history is religion. Faith to believe in the impossible. now some followers believe religious writing is fact, but society doesn't?

shrug man.
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 16:33    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
But the split is based on physical attributes of gender in a lot of cases. I'm not really into sports, but I'm fairly sure men's records far exceed woman's in many many categories. Woman just wouldn't bother competing in those sports any more.

No I mean the ones that far exceed would be higher up in the skill leagues.

Men and women fall into whichever league the other members are equal of them.
Not all men are awesome at soccer, not all women are. Minor league (or whichever one they fit in) soccer would be a mix of men and women about the same skill level.

There are men that the WNBA (female basketball) would run right over in it. Those men play in the league there skill reaches, along with the women of equal skill to them.
There are female weight lifters that will stomp some men ones. Not the top one for sure, but I'm sure there is women out there that can outlift the most bro of gym bros. They would be a higher league than those men. And female boxers that would beat the hell out of some male boxers. Ronda rousey could beat the fuck out of me, so there must be a level of men she is equal to between me and the MMA champion. She would be in their league.

Think of it like leagues of the best people, the next best, the next after that..and so on.
Like match making in a shooter game. They dont have mens gold and womens gold. If you are gold you are gold rank, if you are silver you are silver rank.
If someone joins a sport and starts just rolling everyone they play against. They go up as league until their on par with the rest of the players.

IF people complain X sex cannot get major league in Y sports, they are not wanting equality, they are wanting equity. And peoples egos just creating two seperate 'major' leagues to create false equals.


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 16:37    Post subject:
DXWarlock wrote:
@AmpegV4
My solution for the sports problem: Stop grouping by genitals and group by skill level.
Because in the end it really is just genital sorting. As there is different skill level leagues already for each set of genitals, yet they do not overlap, and still exist for each one.

Use the league system they have in place like baseball : Major, Minor, AAA, AA, A, and rookie league.
And so on. Then put people in the one of their skill level.

As the way they do it now is based on equity: Womans have Major and Mens have Major despite the difference in ability they get the same titles. Do it by skill and it's purely based on equality then.


Walk backwards into the future. You separate genders and have trans just deal with whatever gender they originated from.

I know 2023~ is the age where "muhh feelings" trumps any kind of rational thought, but who gives a fuck?
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 16:46    Post subject:
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I think separating it by gender is weird, and human ego to start with.
The very thing we are debating about (equity for X gender real or made up) applied to the sexes as it is: We are just as equal, but different. So we want a league that reflects that we also have a 'top tier' league that somehow is not made up of the top people, but specifically the top people of my gender. Since we are not as good as the actual top people. But want validation I am the best of the type I am.

To me, separating by sex, makes as much sense as separating by race simply because some races would be more naturally physiologically advantageous than others at some sports. So each race needs its own league to make it 'fair'.
We dont have "Caucasian basketball" and "Asian basketball" and "Ebony Basketball" leagues. There is overlap where one can be as good as the others. But there is a clear pecking order on which has the percentage of chance to have the minute physiological differences that give you an advantage.

If separating those would be considered racist, why is separating them by gender not sexist?
There are no 5 foot 3 Asian people saying they need their own basketball league as they have no chance to get into the NBA, so saying they need the ANBA. But we have the WNBA, since very few women would be able to make it into the NBA.

Remove gender and let it be you play against people of your own skill level, and dont have to worry about if they are male, female, trans, apache helicopter, or identify as a horse. Its purely on how good you are..not what you are.


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 17:07    Post subject:
Wow this really went places Mr. Green , im very open to adults living their lives as they want without affecting others, i do have batches of understanding when it comes to trans/gay parents raising kids, as ive seen a few cases where the parents are 100% indoctrinating the kids (close friend of the family) same shit with religion, politics etc, leave the poor kids alone, let them develop themselves openly on those topics.

Overall i feel like im paying to much attention to the fringes, but i still feel the fringes are pushing society to their own level. Apalled by some ideas such as children shows talking nonsense (or am i really this ignorant on biology) sigh. what a fucking mess.

One thing i can say is that im outdated, this is all so detailed and most of it to me seems like nonsense (not the rights part, the kids, obligatory language, phrasing etc) i cant accept it, but even those little things get you in hot water. At least around here it seems like sense still prevails, sure you guys are discussing different topics but noone is going to the extremes at least.
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 17:15    Post subject:
The fringes have always been pushing society to their own level. Fringes want nothing more than not to be fring and be the 'norm'. It's not just a problem of today.

It's just a matter if the the fringes encroach into your bubble, and your standards and 'held self evident' truths. Even if they are tiny ones that you dont hold dear, they are challenging them either way (not saying the challenge is right or wrong, just a challenge). Then they seem more prevalent than all the other fringes also trying to stop being outlying fringes.


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 18:24    Post subject:
Regarding sports, World Athletics updated their regulations regarding trans athletes and I guess that most competitive sports leagues will go a similar way.
In essence trans women who went through male puberty will be barred from competing in the female category, while trans women who transitioned before the onset of puberty will be allowed.
It is a good compromise I think, because puberty is the key event that causes the physiological changes.
Reducing testosterone requirements alone will not compensate for some of the other permanent changes that happen during puberty.

See here:
https://worldathletics.org/news/press-releases/council-meeting-march-2023-russia-belarus-female-eligibility

Quote:

In regard to transgender athletes, the Council has agreed to exclude male-to-female transgender athletes who have been through male puberty from female World Rankings competition from 31 March 2023.

World Athletics conducted a consultation period with various stakeholders in the first two months of this year, including Member Federations, the Global Athletics Coaches Academy and Athletes’ Commission, the IOC as well as representative transgender and human rights groups.

It became apparent that there was little support within the sport for the option that was first presented to stakeholders, which required transgender athletes to maintain their testosterone levels below 2.5nmol/L for 24 months to be eligible to compete internationally in the female category.
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 18:33    Post subject:
Overall I dont think there is a lot of people rushing to play sports as trans. It's the sensational newsworthy ones that make it seem like its prevalent.

As anything on this topic (or any group of people). for every 1000 normal ones, there is 1 that make enough noise to be seen. News only reports on the noisy ones. You won't see on the news reports of those 1000: "Trans person lives life in peace and quietness..news at 11".
Same as you dont hear "Man woke up and went to work, came home and ate. News at 11" you hear about the crazy person that robbed a store, or ran from cops.

So telling 1 out of say 10,000 players that they cannot play in X sport as the other gender is not going to cause a huge uproar. It might cause a loud tiny crowd to roar enough to notice them. But it's still a pack of chihuahuas just barking loudly so to speak. It just sounds like a huge pack of loud dogs. As there will always be people that coop others pain as their identity. The more 'cause worthy' the pain is for social brownie points. The more they coop it as an outrage they fight for, to have purpose.

I say let people be what they want to be. As most just want 'to be' and nothing more.
And deal with the outlier crazy ones on the bell curve it has of members, individually for problems they cause. Same way we do with any other [insert group of people here].


-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd May 2023 20:56    Post subject:
So as a male transsexual you can have your penis reworked to a vagina and clitoris?
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