I woulda thought most of the hump['s patron's weren't stupid enough to bother with woke V ant-woke nonsense which let's face it is just another never to be resolved conflict designed by the blob/borg/PTB call em what you will to get people arguing among themselves when really they ought to be gathering together and asking WTF has the blob/borg/PTB done to our world.
Both side of this go nowhere debate ahve a few remnants of reality hanging off their POV which draws the credulous in.
eg The defend minorities desire which kicked off being an effective means of disarming the oppressor in the class war by reducing those fucks of one weapon prejudice be it racism, homophobia, judeophobia whatever while the extremes that neoliberals have taken that to partially to regain that weapon for blob/borg/PTB mostly to stoke dispute by turning that defend minorities issue into 'lets have a more diverse selection of oppressors" (my favourite being 2022's CIA commercial for Woke recruits) draws the gullible into the anti-woke side.
It like all the rest of the culture wars nonsense is used in amerika as a way of differentiating between two political gangs whose economic ideas of pandering to corporations & war-mongering policies are identical.
You'll notice that when in power neither the rethugs nor the Dims ever finalise the debate even when they have the power to because they need that fear of something bad if the other gang wins to keep 'their base' motivated.
Unfortunately communications being what they are this nonsense has spread throughout the West to the detriment of us all.
There is a theory that identitiy politics was introduced during the height of Occupy Wall Street to divert attention from the class wars. If so, it worked - to a degree at least.
But now - look at systems like ESG or CEI. They are basically holding the neoliberals and corporations hostage now Wokeness is so virulent it backfired on them.
@UreKismet
I dont think anyone really does talk as a whole here in the US. It's always a case of 'seeing' it going on somewhere else, but never near you.
I mean that as I know some that are to some degree for one side, or the other if asked. And will have mild opinions on situations involving it but dont actively try to bring it up or even care to talk about it beyond "yea its kinda dumb" or "yea that was kinda fucked up".
Now not saying I have my finger on the pulse of US discourse or anything like that. But I based on where I live, and my age range of friends I have a large overlap of friends that overlap on the venn diagram of both types.
I know quite a few older southern US people my age, and also a lot of 20 somethings either from my daughter or son, some of who are on the range of spectrum of 'woke' I guess. As some are gay, lesbian, bi and two are actually trans: one is mid transition, the other wants to, and the rest are friends of those people (naturally, as social circles are...circles, birds of a feather and all that)
And I can say with all honestly, none of them, not the old white hardline south conservatives that dislike 'queers and freaks', nor the ultra liberal LGBT or LGBT supporting side ever talks about it even a 20th as much as the media and the extremists that won't shut up about how big a problem it is makes it out to be.
So overall I dont think its a big constant fighting of the masses as it seems. Since it's really just a very very narrow band of each end of a dumb argument screaming as loud as they can, and the media doing what it does: We dont care if it's big or important. Only if its loud and easy to cover.
Which makes people THINK it's all over the place, but 99% of people I suspect would have to answer when asked "Where do you see all this Woke bedlam happening?" they would answer "Well...hmm..on the TV or online I guess, I rarely if ever actually see it in person".
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Edit: Not directed at you @FireMaster, just that some people in the world think that's how it works?
Can anyone name someone that was 'taught' to be gay? Someone that had no urges for the same sex, that turned gay simply finding out they exist...
I have known/associated /acquaintances with..hell 100's of gay, bi, and lesbians (did a lot of work in bars as DJ and lightman in 90's jacksonville riverside area) and by extension of them and their friends too have never heard once, from anyone that they was going along being straight and happy and getting urges for the opposite sex. Then someone came along and taught them what gay was, and that it exists and they went "OK fine, what you said. I will feel sexual urges towards my own sex instead now that you pointed out some people do".
Really. Is there ANYONE that believes being taught what gay is makes people gay? Really?
And going "They shouldn't learn about sexual orientations at 10". Fine..but [fair is fair] then they shouldn't learn about straight either then. Moms and dads are not allowed to say they love each other, ever kiss in front of the kid, or claim they find each other attractive around the child, as that is teaching them what straight means/is. And "They shouldn't learn about sexual orientations at 10"....right?
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What happens is that nowadays when homosexuals are a lot less marginalized, more people dare to be openly what they already are. Also another reason why the catholic church can’t find new priests.
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@couleur
I agree. It seems most people didnt know a faction of who was of a different orientation than straight for the longest time, since it was taboo and frowned on. Now that they can be more openly who they are, people that was unaware of how many was hiding it sees it as more are 'becoming' that.
No, they was always that, and last generation, and before that too. Just most of them hid it.
So more kids coming out of school 'gay' isnt they are teaching them to be. It's the ones that are, are less prone to pretend they are not once they learn people will talk about it without that talk being all about attacks on what they feel they are.
Dont think as many people know this as should: Most gay/bi/whatever people 'knew' they was 'something' waaay before they even knew what sex, sexual desire, or any of that is. Vast majority of them knew they 'liked' same/different/both long before the age of knowing what that liking meant.
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When very young you are not exactly sexually driven, you instead have other things that drives you, it can be the drive to feel special, or to find identity with a group. So yes, you can confuse a young kid that he's "gay" when he/she might just be looking for attention or identity or to feel more special.
Later in life this person will be very confused when actual strong sex drive kicks in, and he/she notices, wow, i''ve decided i'm gay, but i'm actually very attracted to the opposite sex. For some maybe it's easy to just give up that identity they've built, for others it might be hell.
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When very young you are not exactly sexually driven, you instead have other things that drives you, it can be the drive to feel special, or to find identity with a group. So yes, you can confuse a young kid that he's "gay" when he/she might just be looking for attention or identity or to feel more special.
Interesting. Do you have any scientific data to back that up?
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What exactly did i say that would need this evidence? That kids don't have an actual strong sex drive? Yes there is evidence to back this up.
Do you think it's uncommon for kids to find an identity within a group? In my school (80's) of hundreds of kids, we all searched for identity within a group. Back then it was mostly about identifying with which music you listened to. So some became punks, some became people who listened to pop, others hardrock, synth.. and we all hang out with our group, the people we identified with, fights were not uncommon between these groups, mostly it was harmless banter though. For some others it was more about sports / teams and they found a group to identify with that way.
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i''ve decided i'm gay, but i'm actually very attracted to the opposite sex.
Of all the people I have known, not one of them had this issue. Not one of them 'decided' to be gay. Or sat down and internally debated which they was picking to 'be'.
You dont decide your gay. If its a decision like that it means its a choice you conclude on. So we/you wake up everyday and decide to be straight for the next 24 hours?
And you are not sexually driven as a child. Hence the "Vast majority of them knew they liked same/different/both long before the age of knowing what that liking meant."
You dont need to want to fuck something, to know which you are drawn to. Primary school kids have girlfriends and boyfriends (for what it's worth at that age) Why do they desire to have them? Its not the sex..they dont even know what that desire is yet. How do they pick which they want without a sex drive? it must be something beyond simply an urge to stick a thing, in another thing.
And if being around 'gay' makes you gay, or want to be what they are. Why am I not gay? I spent nearly all my teens and early 20's around a lot of them. I have no desire whatsoever to be with, look at, or desire a man.
It's almost as if you need to have that desire to start with, to have others influence if its ok to have them (and not they influence you to have them regardless)
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exactly, they don't know that desire, like i said, but they do have desire for other things, such as feeling special, or identifying with a specific group that they feel is "cool".
OK..so then: If you hung around a lot of gay/bi people as a teen, would you have started blowing guys, and willingly wanting to have sex with them to be 'cool'?
Your desire to be cool would have been strong enough to override your insticualy choice of who you find attractive enough to make you desire men?
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What exactly did i say that would need this evidence? That kids don't have an actual strong sex drive? Yes there is evidence to back this up.
Do you think it's uncommon for kids to find an identity within a group? In my school (80's) of hundreds of kids, we all searched for identity within a group. Back then it was mostly about identifying with which music you listened to. So some became punks, some became people who listened to pop, others hardrock, synth.. and we all hang out with our group, the people we identified with, fights were not uncommon between these groups, mostly it was harmless banter though. For some others it was more about sports / teams and they found a group to identify with that way.
None of this has anything to do with being gay and if it had, then as soon as the sex drive would develop they would find pussy more interesting than dick, simply seeing sexy women.
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@vurt
I guess my question to make it more clear:
Are YOU straight because you was brought up in an environment that it was 'cool' to be straight? Is that they only reason because it was the 'in' thing to be? That you would be gay, and find men carnally desirable, if your group of friends was different?
That your friends and who you hung out with made you straight? And not that being straight to start with dictated (to some degree) who you usually hung out with?
If your straight for more than that, why would it be absurd to say the same about being gay?
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As a teen with strong sex drive i would have found out very quickly that i'm not gay and that i found the wrong group to identify with.
As a kid i started out as a headbanger dude, i had my friends within that group. I really thought i had found the music i wanted to listen to for the rest of my life, i was sure it wouldn't change. With that little experience, it's easy to think you're right of course.. Later i ran into this older relative who instead listened to harder synth bands, i fell in love with this music instantly (had never heard it before), realizing how it really tied all my "wants" for how music should sound together.
What exactly did i say that would need this evidence? That kids don't have an actual strong sex drive? Yes there is evidence to back this up.
Do you think it's uncommon for kids to find an identity within a group? In my school (80's) of hundreds of kids, we all searched for identity within a group. Back then it was mostly about identifying with which music you listened to. So some became punks, some became people who listened to pop, others hardrock, synth.. and we all hang out with our group, the people we identified with, fights were not uncommon between these groups, mostly it was harmless banter though. For some others it was more about sports / teams and they found a group to identify with that way.
None of this has anything to do with being gay and if it had, then as soon as the sex drive would develop they would find pussy more interesting than dick, simply seeing sexy women.
quote where i say it has anything to do with being gay? i said the exact opposite of that, that it does not have to do with sexual desire, it has to do with identifying with a "cool" group. with no sexual experience, no drive, can someone be confused at a young age, of course. could the individual be confused to the degree of getting e.g a sex change, yes. do i think it's super common? nope.
You THOUGHT you was a headbanger, until someone pointed out there is other options, and you realized you liked more than that? And that some other people exposed to harder synth bands was not drawn to it like you was, despite hearing it also?
Sounds sort of like someone going "I thought I was straight, as that is all I knew I could be. Until someone informed me that there is more out there it's OK to be. And once taught about it, realized I am that. Not everyone is, but I was drawn to it as it was what I wanted to be, I just didn't know it was OK."
So your saying: A predisposition to a 'genre' makes you more likely to embrace it as finding your 'style' once you learn about it. And not just learning of its existence does it, as everyone doesnt like it. But once you heard it you realized it 'was for you'.
You need to be of the type that would like it to start with and it ticks all your boxes...to like it?
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I see what vurt's saying and it's grounded in reality somewhat, one can find information that there is a growing portion of minors that will explore having different pronouns and whatnot more out of bandwagoning and trying to fit in rather than anything else..
I'm not quite sure this is pushed up to the level of sexual preference/orientation though, and your natural preference will blow any preconceived notions out of the water considering how the average puberty goes - you usually very well know what you're into or not by then.
I doubt people would convince themselve of being gay out of peer pressure, but then again people will try stuff much, much worse than that because of it so I doubt it is an entirely new phenomena altogether.
Increased acceptance is mechanically bound to provoke some kind of increase in people declaring to be non-CIS as well - let's not kid ourselves: yeah being gay or else was a whole lot more acceptance during our teenage years, but let's not pretend it was, or currently issue a walk in the park either, even as adults - social media ain't real life.
Moreover, I believe the high point of this societal trend is past us now, and things will resume to something less contentious pretty soon. If acting gender fluid or similar is trendy, well it's much like emos, goths, skaters, straightedge or whatever past phenomenon we remember. Sexuality is a subject to be touched upon with more caution, but I feel like we're dwelling into out-of-touch boomer territory for us all.
I'd still like some data about this as well vurt (not talking about the common sense part, but about the impact on teenagers sexuality and self perception) if you've stumbled upon any, as most of these observations are more akin to hunch feelings than anything else and that hard data is rather hard to find - understandably so, since we're talking kids and very subjective feelings.
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And either way, you cannot draw a comparison of:
I hung out with people that listen to heavy metal, so I listen to it...I assume being gay works the same way. Parallels found in analogous places, are not parallels of mechanics.
While yes I agree, experimentation has and always will be a thing for teens. And yes, your friends influence what you experiment with. Be it music, sex, drugs, whatever.
But your orientation does not change based on what you try. Its the other way around: What you try gets narrower as you realize your already predisposed orientation.
No one I have ever known is gay/bi/whatever with the reasoning: Well it was cool at the time, and I just kept doing it. So I am gay now.
And I dont think (I could be wrong) you know anyone that wants to transition. They struggle with it for a looooong time, before deciding to do so. As its a huge social taboo, the struggle of the stigma it will cause. And ostracization of people that they know, and strangers.
After all that, lots of discussion with doctors, phycologist/psychiatrist, and such to work out why they really want to, if they are of mindset to deal with doing so, and medical opinions of outcomes of the decision.
It's only once the internal personal urge to do so, is greater than all that risk that they do. It really, really does not work the way you seem to think. Maybe the rare extremist one in a million idiot. But NOT at all for the 99.99% of them.
Edit: Personal example.
My daughters ex boyfriend started to transition (Why hes an ex).
He decided to despite knowing his family will disown him, 1/2 his friends left, and life will be hard after it. There was NO social 'upside' to doing so. He decided I want to be, so I will be despite everyone else.
Should he? Not my call. Is it 'right' he is? Who am I to say. My like/dislike of him (or her I guess) doing it has no meaning on his entire self experience of life and if I approve of his choices.
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I see what vurt's saying and it's grounded in reality somewhat, one can find information that there is a growing portion of minors that will explore having different pronouns and whatnot more out of bandwagoning and trying to fit in rather than anything else
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Moreover, I believe the high point of this societal trend is past us now, and things will resume to something less contentious pretty soon. If acting gender fluid or similar is trendy, well it's much like emos, goths, skaters, straightedge or whatever past phenomenon we remember. Sexuality is a subject to be touched upon with more caution, but I feel like we're dwelling into out-of-touch boomer territory for us all.
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Increased acceptance is mechanically bound to provoke some kind of increase in people declaring to be non-CIS as well.
This.
Again someone stated it more contextually than I did.
This is the core of my statements framed better: Of course kids will pretend/pose to be whatever is trendy at the time. Starting from the 80s for examples: Be it Metal band member, skaters, breakdancers, street gangsta, rappers, goth, emo, whatever.
Kids will be kids. Pretending to be whatever is cool with kids at any given time. But it doesn't not mean you are, will be, or even really want to be that. You just want to pretend be whatever is [insert youth trend here] even if you aren't.
Just because you pretended to be a skater in the late 80s and claimed to own a Tony Hawk board you could do sick kickflips on, didn't mean you ever even rode one, much less own a single piece of skate gear.
So the trend of 'all the pronouns!' some might follow out of 'its the in thing', doesn't mean they actually want to be with someone same sex. Or even desire to see one naked in the same room.
its jumping on the bandwagon of normalizing something that was taboo, is now taboo. So claim you was part of the taboo'd.
So being 'im not plain old, outdated, straight' for those that are not really not that. Will be along the same lines as the rest of them; Looking back to when you was a teen going "Man, I am so embarrassed of what I was like back then...so cringy, what was I thinking?"
But it doesn't mean we should minimize the normalization of the taboo that the movement is actually for.
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Identifying with groups works the same way. i never said it works like that for being gay, we have been through this many times now, i don't believe very young kids are gay, they have no sexual desire or drive, thus they don't know.
what they can do at that early stage is falsely identifying with something that they have no experience with but through indoctrination it's something they feel a longing for, something they want to be a be a part of. Mostly this isn't a big deal, who cares if you switch to listening to punk, who cares if you switch basketball team. For sexuality i would say it's a more serious matter that potentially could have more impact. Similarly i don't think we should introduce small children to politics either. Let kids be kids, it's a wonderful time because you don't have to care about adult things.
Depends on what you consider very young I suspect. Toddlers/preschool no, but by age 8-9 some do know they are 'different' just not sure how or why that difference appears.
Much like the old trope that is universally understood when shows or movies do it of some 8-10 year old seeing a porno mag, or a sexy pinup girl poster and voice over of "I had a strange feeling, a tingling in my pants that I didn't understand what it was yet".
Kids feel what they are usually, LONG before they know what that means or is.
I had friends as early as 3rd grade that was 'different'. We didnt know what gay, or queer, or transvestite was. But Tony and John both was clearly 'different'. Very feminine, enjoyed 'lingering' around the boys more. Not so much into what we was, but into us. And it was not grooming at all that caused it. John was a preacher's son, Jimmy's dad was a 'straight and macho is a real man' type that was an Military dad.
Everything about both their upbringings would have discouraged what they was, and not prompted or introduced them to it in anyway.
For teaching kids 'gay':
Teaching them what they might be, is not the same as teaching them what people do while naked. And I think people confuse that "Teaching kids about guy" means they must be teaching them about gay sex.
Because when they think about gay people, they think about what gay people do naked (the part they dont like).
Teaching kids what types of relationships there are, is not the same as teaching them what sex and sexuality is. Much like them learning what straight is by seeing parents loving each other, and kissing, and finding each other attractive. Is not the same as teaching them what mommy and daddy do in the bedroom with graphic descriptions and diagrams.
But I stand by: OK if we are going with we should not teach kids about sexual orientation until X age, fine, that should include ALL of them.
They should not be taught about straight either. No showing of affection between parents, or holding hands, or kissing. As that is teaching them what straight is. If they asked "Why does mommy and daddy love each other" it should be treated the same as asking "Why does Dave and Chris love each other" an answer of: You are too young to know why me and mommy love each other.
Fair right? If we dont teach them, it needs to include the ones we dont approve of, and the ones we do. Otherwise we are just saying we dont want them learning about how some people are, even if some of them are.
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The clown car of anti-woke has went full retard hand in hand with the opposite side.
If ANYONE states the other side of the pie fight is the only one with loud clowns, refer back to this post as the most retarded crying wolf of woke (at least so far).
They are complaining and calling for boycotts of Chick-fil-A for being..woke. CHICK-FUCKING-FIL-A!
The most openly and boastful conservative religious centric fast food place.
A STRONGLY christian based, Christian family ran, not even open on sundays company. From their home page:
Quote:
Truett saw the importance of closing on Sundays so that he and his employees could set aside one day to rest and worship if they choose — a practice we uphold today.
“To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us and to have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A.”
Now keep in mind...this is the company that donated to anti-LGBT causes, and backed bills where you can fire people in 'right to work' states for being too openly gay. IE: some people can guess you might be gay...
A place openly known for and was proud of their past donations to anti-LGBT groups, and unless you are in a shader located one, more white people working there than a country music concert. Is now too 'woke'.
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Every corporation that is publicly traded nowadays has to chase a good ESG score, whether they want to or not.
Chick-fil-A could be run by actual nazis and they'd still have to virtue signal lest they forfeit a lot of investment money.
The conservative "strategy" now is to boycott all those corporations since they had some success with Bud Light and Target. It's a pointless game of whack-a-mole.
Either the ESG/DEI racket gets taken out for good or it has to go back to its original purpose (pro-environment, workers rights, anti-corruption) before it was taken over by critical soclal justice activism.
Every corporation that is publicly traded nowadays has to chase a good ESG score, whether they want to or not.
Chick-fil-A could be run by actual nazis and they'd still have to virtue signal lest they forfeit a lot of investment money.
The conservative "strategy" now is to boycott all those corporations since they had some success with Bud Light and Target. It's a pointless game of whack-a-mole.
Either the ESG/DEI racket gets taken out for good or it has to go back to its original purpose (pro-environment, workers rights, anti-corruption) before it was taken over by critical soclal justice activism.
I really don't feel bad in the slightest for those traded companies, these ESG/DEI tools are of their own making, it's not like they were taken over all of a sudden in any shape or form by activists. Where does that idea come from to begin with ?
ESG/DEI scores are barely impacted by diversity - for Moody's which is a staple of the subject, it's 1/22th of the 1/3rd of the global score reserved for social criteria.
ESG scores have very little to do with ad campaigns ran by Bud Light or Target imo, they were made for publicity, not to boost their ESG scores... It's just a number they put in their annual reports (a number they can very easily manipulate..), it's not anywhere near a deal breaker for any investor.
Let's not worry though, there's already an excessive counter-reaction to this misperception of things : https://www.ft.com/content/e4a818e5-4039-46d9-abe0-b703f33d0f9b.
I'd say those billion-dollar corporations will remain free from the woke shackles if so they wish, we can rest assured of that (they're much above it already, and they're behind said metrics to begin with, I'm not worried for them) Whether they're "forced" to "bend the knee" to woke ideals.. ? Well, it's a free market. You're free to target/ignore certain consumer bases according to whatever floats your boat - but publicly-traded corporations generally have very little regard to morals, I think that much is accepted by each of us.
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