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| Stige wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: | | https://youtu.be/W_4GwL8zN8A |
How is Denuvo still a thing with performance like this? |
This is very likely a bullshit video pretending there's more than it actually is. As far as i know, these cracks just bypass denuvo, not eliminate it completely, no ? So the performance should be the same, because there's no actual denuvoless version. Second, on the rare ocassions where actual valid comparisons could be made, denuvo eats a few cpu calls but its only evident on ancient cpus, where you're cpu limited. Meaning, you would have to use some 15 year old cpu and play at a low resolution with cutdown details to notice. You wont see it if you have a cpu from the last, i dont know, 8-9 years ?
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 08:38 Post subject: |
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Its also dependent on the game, there has been devs dropping it completely because it impacted the performance so badly for them. there's 459034503 pages about it. There's no One Truth about it affecting performance or not, it can affect it to 0.1% or it can affect it greatly, it depends on a lot of stuff, and not just hardware.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 08:40 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | Stige wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: | | https://youtu.be/W_4GwL8zN8A |
How is Denuvo still a thing with performance like this? |
This is very likely a bullshit video pretending there's more than it actually is. As far as i know, these cracks just bypass denuvo, not eliminate it completely, no ? So the performance should be the same, because there's no actual denuvoless version. Second, on the rare ocassions where actual valid comparisons could be made, denuvo eats a few cpu calls but its only evident on ancient cpus, where you're cpu limited. Meaning, you would have to use some 15 year old cpu and play at a low resolution with cutdown details to notice. You wont see it if you have a cpu from the last, i dont know, 8-9 years ? |
The specs are in the video clearly, what I would think your average PC gamer prolly has in their PC even these days, those steam hardware charts prolly tell some story what your average gamer runs these days?
If you go from 48 fps to 68 fps average from just removing Denuvo then that is massive, world of difference in making the game playable, cause 48 fps is just not that.
If it was 200 fps to 220 fps then obviously it wouldn't matter.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 08:50 Post subject: |
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yup, this is not a 200 FPS game....
test it out yourself.. i'll install it later to see what fps i get, maybe i can compare to the reports of what people with 3090 are getting as average.. if i'm even 5 FPS above what most reports says people have i'd say denuvo gives absolute garbage performance.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 08:55 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | | StEFaN7 wrote: | | pc hardware got better? |
How is that an excuse for some stupid DRM to halve the performance in already bad performing game? The average gamer prolly cant/wont afford to put thousands in modern GPUs and CPUs with thier absurd prices these days to make it even remotely playable. |
many people blame denuvo for the bad performance....until there is a latest version with denuvo vs denuvo removed to compare...u dont know who to blame really, could easily be the dev not optimising the game if u look at the system req
and there is always consoles
that video comparing the two...all denuvo crack is doing is bypasing it, so either the official game with latest patch has shitier performance than prelaunch version or idk
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 08:59 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | | qqq wrote: | | Stige wrote: |
How is Denuvo still a thing with performance like this? |
This is very likely a bullshit video pretending there's more than it actually is. As far as i know, these cracks just bypass denuvo, not eliminate it completely, no ? So the performance should be the same, because there's no actual denuvoless version. Second, on the rare ocassions where actual valid comparisons could be made, denuvo eats a few cpu calls but its only evident on ancient cpus, where you're cpu limited. Meaning, you would have to use some 15 year old cpu and play at a low resolution with cutdown details to notice. You wont see it if you have a cpu from the last, i dont know, 8-9 years ? |
The specs are in the video clearly, what I would think your average PC gamer prolly has in their PC even these days, those steam hardware charts prolly tell some story what your average gamer runs these days?
If you go from 48 fps to 68 fps average from just removing Denuvo then that is massive, world of difference in making the game playable, cause 48 fps is just not that.
If it was 200 fps to 220 fps then obviously it wouldn't matter. |
what im saying is i don't think the video is done in good faith, i think its bullshit with fake overlays to pretend theres this impact. Even the stats don't match, he has different loads on the gpu, which is nonsense. You're right, 48 to 68 would be a gigantic improvement, but i very much doubt it would be the case. I wouldnt look at these noname channels trying to stir shit. And we need more indepth testing to conclude anything. RE Village, as far as i remember, the culprit for those low performance vampire chicks or stutter whenever an enemy died was due to the additional layers of drm from Square, not denuvo itself.
Denuvo does have a performance penalty, but its cpu related and it doesnt manifest in a notable way on cpus from the last decade and you need to be completely cpu limited in a game for it to show. And again, the cracked game is still denuvo. So what are we testing ? We don't have a game with denuvo removed to compare it with
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StEFaN7
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 09:04 Post subject: |
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there was with ac origins if i remember correctly, cracker removed denuvo completly, there was improvements on old hardware but with modern cpus ingames was the same i think
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 10:17 Post subject: |
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Yeah, pretty doubtful about this video, I saw literally no reports of people claiming to get good/different performance from the legit version.
Since this is a bypass and not a straight-up removal, there should be no performance increase. If that's actually the case, good news, but this would be very weird (that, or a sign of a godawful Denuvo integration).
qqq is right, the slowdowns in RE:Village were specifically caused by Capcom's own DRM, it was stated in the NFO too.
Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt Denuvo is culprit for frame pace issues and affects 1%Low pretty badly, AC Origins proved it blatantly. Fuck this shit, really.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 10:43 Post subject: |
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Denuvo has evolved and became more complex since the days of ac origins though, and that's coming from Empress themselves so it's a simple leap in logic to assume it has more of an effect on perf now than back then, also the fact that games are generally badly optimized as well as larger and more ambitious nowadays could excacrebate this issue.
I doubt this comparison video is fair or even real tbh but this DRM performance impact should be investigated again in an unbiased way in the future.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 12:16 Post subject: |
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with origins it was not only denuvo but mostly the vm protect like capcom, also cpu performance evolved rather much since then
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 12:31 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Its also dependent on the game, there has been devs dropping it completely because it impacted the performance so badly for them. there's 459034503 pages about it. There's no One Truth about it affecting performance or not, it can affect it to 0.1% or it can affect it greatly, it depends on a lot of stuff, and not just hardware. |
Yea there is a lot of confusion because plenty games come with multiple DRMs stacked, like Resident Evil Village which also had Capcom's DRM that would make the game stutter during certain animations and when it was eventually cracked and the Capcom DRM removed the stutters were gone.
But Denuvo has never been removed in any crack ever unless someone happened on to a dev .exe or something leaked.
Which also means if a game only has Denuvo as DRM, like Hogwart's Legacy (though it does have SteamStub but who cares about that) there won't be any performance differences when it is cracked because Denuvo is still running as usual, the authentication system is tricked but the checks still trigger.
I pasted the crack over my legit install and my system had the exact same CPU usage and usage spikes as without the crack while running through Hogsmeade.
That video would surprise nobody who had been following the Hogwart's Legacy PC community since launch given how many magical FPS fixes were found by people that only turned out to be placebo fixes because the person restarted the game or had a more complete shader cache or something.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 13:54 Post subject: |
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Hogwarts.Legacy.Deluxe.Edition.MULTi11-ElAmigos
| Quote: | | ElAmigos release, game is already cracked after installation (crack by Empress). Updated to version 1.0 (07.02.2023; v1117238). [...] |
[s]what's that supposed to mean? updated exe not cracled = no update, no?[/s]
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bunch of horse shit .nfo .. its the same build vs game version we had on page 6. no difference in releases
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 14:48 Post subject: |
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Am i the only one who suffers from this abbysmal performance every 3-5 mins ?
When it reaches this kind of performance, the PC is on the brink to locking up the whole system !
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 15:28 Post subject: |
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is that with DLSS on or off?
updated game (legit) or cracled?
try turning it off for testing
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 16:35 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | yup, this is not a 200 FPS game....
test it out yourself.. i'll install it later to see what fps i get, maybe i can compare to the reports of what people with 3090 are getting as average.. if i'm even 5 FPS above what most reports says people have i'd say denuvo gives absolute garbage performance. |
Tempted to buy it just to test the performance vs crakl and then just refund.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 19:58 Post subject: |
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is there a way to use the crack with the legit steam folder ?
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2023 21:30 Post subject: |
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| alucard_xs wrote: | | is there a way to use the crack with the legit steam folder ? |
I just pasted the crack over and it worked
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Feb 2023 03:21 Post subject: |
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Fuck me...I just deleted my profile on Main Menu...
Is there way to recover that shit?WTF...I was like 30 hours in already with completed 2nd trial...
I was just trying to change settings with Y but had I guess button was hovering over my profile which deleted my profile...
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Feb 2023 03:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Feb 2023 03:34 Post subject: |
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| Przepraszam wrote: | Fuck me...I just deleted my profile on Main Menu...
Is there way to recover that shit?WTF...I was like 30 hours in already with completed 2nd trial...
I was just trying to change settings with Y but had I guess button was hovering over my profile which deleted my profile... |
Do not make a new save and try getdataback or similar software. Dont be surprised if the recivered save is corrupt though
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idiots and shills everywhere. Skyrim is 15 square miles and that map is absolutely laughably small. i was expecting it to be tiny but perhaps at least as ""big"" as Skyrim.
